Discussion: Balance vs Realism

[DaisukEasy]

The two aren't mutually exclusive..

[Phillyboi207]

Quote: Originally Posted by DaisukEasy

The two aren't mutually exclusive..

The reason I made this topic is because some of game’s mechanics exist for balance purposes. I do believe that realism= balance but the game will never be completely realistic so some executive decisions have to be made.

I’m just curious how others view things

[DaisukEasy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

The reason I made this topic is because some of game’s mechanics exist for balance purposes. I do believe that realism= balance but the game will never be completely realistic so some executive decisions have to be made. I’m just curious how others view things

Like what?

[Phillyboi207]

Quote: Originally Posted by DaisukEasy

Like what?

Bodykick catch
Current Head movement
Not being able to follow up on knockdowns
Dudes still havin a decent amount of speed/power even when gassed
Thai clinch auto break when you rock with a knee.
The guard recovering so fast after being broken.
Health recovering so fast after a rock.
TDD being OP.
Hard combos not draining extra stamina.

That’s off the top of my head.

[DaisukEasy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

Bodykick catch

The unrealistic part is how easy it is to catch them, but that seems like an unintended consequence that needs tweaking rather than a deliberate balancing decision..

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Current Head movement

Practicality. Though I prefer proper head tracking and what not, from a developers standpoint, this seems easier to do.

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Not being able to follow up on knockdowns

Again, practical limitations. Animations to follow up are needed and given the almost unlimited amount of ways fighters jump on each other, implementing a follow up feature isn't something you can just throw in casually.

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Dudes still havin a decent amount of speed/power even when gassed

I haven't really seen this. The slowdown seems good to me. So does the power drop-off.

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Thai clinch auto break when you rock with a knee.

This is a balancing issue, I agree. But it's only necessary because the clinch system is super unrealistic to begin with. Not breaking the thai clinch after a rock wouldn't be more or less realistic. It's a bit of a side-grade in terms of realism.

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The guard recovering so fast after being broken. Health recovering so fast after a rock.

Again, I don't see how that's favoring balance over realism, because it doesn't really affect balance. It's just unrealistic.

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TDD being OP.

That's actually imbalanced..

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Hard combos not draining extra stamina.

Is that more balanced than having the proper stamina drainage? Or just unrealistic..



Like I said, I think that's less about balance and more about trying to make it appealing to more people or being unable to properly translate certain aspects to a video game..

[Solid_Altair]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

I’m curious about how you guys feel in regards to the two. Do you believe sacrificing realism for game balance is more important or do you prefer realism but not everything being super balanced? I dont want to influence any answer so i’ll wait for a few posts before joining the discussion.

As weird as it may sound, coming from me: realism first. The thing is that I rarely think realism opposes balance. DJ might be the only clear case of this, atm.

Quote: Originally Posted by Phillyboi207

Bodykick catch Current Head movement Not being able to follow up on knockdowns Dudes still havin a decent amount of speed/power even when gassed Thai clinch auto break when you rock with a knee. The guard recovering so fast after being broken. Health recovering so fast after a rock. TDD being OP. Hard combos not draining extra stamina. That’s off the top of my head.

Not getting into the discussion of whether or not all those are problems, do you really think all of them are causes by an attempt to prioritize balance over realism?

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Solid_Altair

As weird as it may sound, coming from me: realism first. The thing is that I rarely think realism opposes balance. DJ might be the only clear case of this, atm.

Khabib's grappling is another imo.

[Nugget7211]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Khabib's grappling is another imo.

That's made worse by stats mattering more on the ground too, like being on the feet with McGregor as Khabib feels way less helpless than being on the ground with Khabib as McGregor, despite similar (maybe the same?) overall differences.