More diversity and variety in ratings

[OPSPunk]

I would like to see larger swings in skill ratings that reallly expose true advantages. Everybody is within 20 pts of each other. I would like to see a much bigger range with greater variety. For example

Khabib LW power is only 2 pts loser than Connor. He has never KOd anyone standing. I would like to see greater variance in grappling. When those two clinch it should feel worlds apart. Like 20+ pts.

Hell even compare takedown ability of Conor vs all American wrestlers Gaethje 1 pt difference. Connor is within 3 pts of dudes who have excelled at wrestling their entire life.

Till has 92 for clinch throws. Equal to gsp l, hughes and Maia. 1 pt higher than hector lombards. Covington is higher than all with 93. But the gap between those guys and say Matt brown should be greater than 4. Cm punk is with N 10 pts of the everyone.

Having variety to scores would force gameplanning and fighting more accurately to real life.

[RomeroXVII]

Quote: Originally Posted by OPSPunk

I would like to see larger swings in skill ratings that reallly expose true advantages. Everybody is within 20 pts of each other. I would like to see a much bigger range with greater variety. For example Khabib LW power is only 2 pts loser than Connor. He has never KOd anyone standing. I would like to see greater variance in grappling. When those two clinch it should feel worlds apart. Like 20+ pts. Hell even compare takedown ability of Conor vs all American wrestlers Gaethje 1 pt difference. Connor is within 3 pts of dudes who have excelled at wrestling their entire life. Till has 92 for clinch throws. Equal to gsp l, hughes and Maia. 1 pt higher than hector lombards. Covington is higher than all with 93. But the gap between those guys and say Matt brown should be greater than 4. Cm punk is with N 10 pts of the everyone. Having variety to scores would force gameplanning and fighting more accurately to real life.

He knocked down Thiago Tavares with a hook from hell, was landing hard shots on Horcher, he's had more fights than Conor at Lightweight and if you watch his fights the man definitely has OOMPH in his hands, he just loves to brutalize people with his ground work. If it ain't broke don't fix it. So power I have no problem there. You also have to consider the heavy hooks perk for Conor which gives him +4 to Power.

I've definitely had a problem with Conor, he has supposedly 86 grappling but boy they were SNEAKY with what they gave him. They gave him single leg counters that Kevin Lee, a D2 NCAA Qualifier doesn't have, they gave him an Armbar AND Triangle Choke Counter from a sub Stacked Guard position, whereas a BJJ black belt/World Champ Aldo only has the Armbar, and Moicano, another BJJ Black Belt Stud, doesn't have either I believe. So many things annoy me with what they did for him. His striking, it's fine , it's understandable, but they definitely did some sneaky finesse for McGregor.

Gaethje doesn't use his wrestling offensively, but it's there when needed. He should at LEAST have an 87 to hit the low single leg for freaks sake. He's a D1 All American.

TJ Dillashaw, for some god forsaken reason, has an 89 takedown rating and therefore cannot hit the undeniable TD, despite him doing it multiple times against Lineker, and despite him making it to the blood round of the D1 NCAAs at his weight back in college, and has transitioned his wrestling well into MMA. Assunção, who hit doubles in his fight against Font, has a 91 TD Offense, yet no double leg? The heck?

[UFCBlackbelt]

Quote: Originally Posted by RomeroXVII

He knocked down Thiago Tavares with a hook from hell, was landing hard shots on Horcher, he's had more fights than Conor at Lightweight and if you watch his fights the man definitely has OOMPH in his hands, he just loves to brutalize people with his ground work. If it ain't broke don't fix it. So power I have no problem there. You also have to consider the heavy hooks perk for Conor which gives him +4 to Power. I've definitely had a problem with Conor, he has supposedly 86 grappling but boy they were SNEAKY with what they gave him. They gave him single leg counters that Kevin Lee, a D2 NCAA Qualifier doesn't have, they gave him an Armbar AND Triangle Choke Counter from a sub Stacked Guard position, whereas a BJJ black belt/World Champ Aldo only has the Armbar, and Moicano, another BJJ Black Belt Stud, doesn't have either I believe. So many things annoy me with what they did for him. His striking, it's fine , it's understandable, but they definitely did some sneaky finesse for McGregor. Gaethje doesn't use his wrestling offensively, but it's there when needed. He should at LEAST have an 87 to hit the low single leg for freaks sake. He's a D1 All American. TJ Dillashaw, for some god forsaken reason, has an 89 takedown rating and therefore cannot hit the undeniable TD, despite him doing it multiple times against Lineker, and despite him making it to the blood round of the D1 NCAAs at his weight back in college, and has transitioned his wrestling well into MMA. Assunção, who hit doubles in his fight against Font, has a 91 TD Offense, yet no double leg? The heck?

There are a lot of sins in character ratings. Unfortunately, they will only fix character ratings after performances.

I still can't forgive Conor having a higher chin rating than most welterweights at WW. Higher than Woodley I believe.

[FCB x Finlay]

Quote: Originally Posted by OPSPunk

I would like to see larger swings in skill ratings that reallly expose true advantages. Everybody is within 20 pts of each other. I would like to see a much bigger range with greater variety. For example Khabib LW power is only 2 pts loser than Connor. He has never KOd anyone standing. I would like to see greater variance in grappling. When those two clinch it should feel worlds apart. Like 20+ pts. Hell even compare takedown ability of Conor vs all American wrestlers Gaethje 1 pt difference. Connor is within 3 pts of dudes who have excelled at wrestling their entire life. Till has 92 for clinch throws. Equal to gsp l, hughes and Maia. 1 pt higher than hector lombards. Covington is higher than all with 93. But the gap between those guys and say Matt brown should be greater than 4. Cm punk is with N 10 pts of the everyone. Having variety to scores would force gameplanning and fighting more accurately to real life.

Ive said this from the very start, unfortunately there wont be any change. Its been explained if this were to happen it would make fighters unusable, more so than now. The problem with this is that there is no split ratings for hand power, left and right, kick power etc. Fighters true ratings will never be shown in this flawed system.

[OPSPunk]

I think that if u did it right it would expose certain holes and make you have to use fighters correctly.

It would make certain grapplers unuseable because the grappling sux.

But then again if Maia’s striking sucked but he could take you down and entirely change the trajectory of the fight like no other dude. The game would achieve a certain balance

[tomitomitomi]

I don't really see the mathematical point differential as that big of a deal, really. If you suddenly gave someone like Conor mid-70s grappling then his viability would instantly plummet due to how stat differences work now. For instance a five point difference in top/bottom game is very noticeable. The devs would have to rebalance that stat values to keep things in check but at that point why even bother changing the numbers themselves?

I've always viewed the current stat system as similar to FNC's 1-20 point system except that it is 80-100 here.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Quote: Originally Posted by tomitomitomi

I don't really see the mathematical point differential as that big of a deal, really. If you suddenly gave someone like Conor mid-70s grappling then his viability would instantly plummet due to how stat differences work now. For instance a five point difference in top/bottom game is very noticeable. The devs would have to rebalance that stat values to keep things in check but at that point why even bother changing the numbers themselves? I've always viewed the current stat system as similar to FNC's 1-20 point system except that it is 80-100 here.

I've always argued that we should have an average-variance based approach to ratings, but many believe that this will actually lead to less unique fighters.

The idea is that we rank stats from a minimum of 80 to a maximum of 100. 100 being the most elite, 80 being the absolute worst. 90 is a natural average. Most fighters in the roster start very close to 90 or 89 until they prove otherwise through their performances (or credentials, such as coming into the ufc as an NCAA wrestling champ) and comparing their stats relative to other fighters, I feel this creates the ultimate consistency.

Move sets would be distributed pretty evenly with the exception of complicated submissions or complicated strikes being reserved.

The benefit of this would be giving a lot of lower ranked guys the health stats they deserve (health stats have very little to do with experience, yet many lower ranked fighters have weak chins/health stats). The con would be that some may argue a lack of diversity.

So a newcomer into the UFC may have 87 striking speed, 86 striking power but 93 grappling stamina, 94 takedowns and subs if he is more of a specialist. This would make him/her viable. Someone like Conor who has been submitted multiple times can have an 86 submission defense (slightly below average), leaving him at risk for submission specialist such as the one I mentioned, if they played a perfect gameplan. It should be more challenging fighter a higher rank, but you should still be able to design gameplans around your strengths that allow you to be competitive. The same logic would apply to a person's chin if they were ko'd 3 times or so.