Nostalgia

[ronaldo9]

It's getting sorta quiet in here, and while playing more PES 2012 lately, I've also been more reminiscent about games from the series' past. My first ISS/PE/WE was MLS GameNight 2000, which was a really great game for the PS1. I remember they really overrated every player in MLS (there were all kinds of guys in the 90s for every category) but it was a blast. I later got ISS2 simply for the fun of playing with European club teams, even if it was the same game.

Moving to the PS2, Winning Eleven 7, 8 and 9 were great fun - even if waiting for the February release date tested my patience.

I hope current-gen PES can recapture the fun and excellence of these games. I'm sure it's me thinking the past was better and less of an adult time, haha, but I'm seriously thinking about picking up a used PS1 or 2 just for the fun of these games!

Also was a FIFA 98 / World Cup 98 gamer - still listen to the tracks from those games (particularly "Soul Beat Runna").

[man_u_treble]

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I still have MLS Gamenight and play it on my PS3 every now and then.

[ronaldo9]

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I still have MLS Gamenight and play it on my PS3 every now and then.

Son of a b!!! I knew I should have bought a PS3 instead of an xbox

[ty5oke]

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Winning Eleven 7 was really my first soccer game that I got addicted to. I didn't even like soccer at the time but that game was a whole lot of fun.

[Tathalas]

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Moving to the PS2, Winning Eleven 7, 8 and 9 were great fun - even if waiting for the February release date tested my patience.

I just ordered WE9 (or PES5, as it's known in Europe), and now I'm just waiting for it to arrive. It should arrive any day now, and I just can't wait to get to play that great game again! And this time I won't make the mistake of selling it.

[ronaldo9]

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I just ordered WE9 (or PES5, as it's known in Europe), and now I'm just waiting for it to arrive. It should arrive any day now, and I just can't wait to get to play that great game again! And this time I won't make the mistake of selling it.

That's great...I just did the same thing. I have WE8 and it plays pretty good on the 360.

[SoAwesome]

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Yeah WE games were very fun and addicting.

[jb1]

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I've hardly played the PES series since the move to PS3 but just recently I was playing a bit of Premier Soccer which I think dates back to the early 90's. It doesn't stand up at all well now but I had some fun running people over and going for multiple overhead kicks.

I've also still got a few games from the N64 ISS days lying around, my main memory of that series was how effective the chip was, used to beat up on my mates with that move!

I do have PES 5 and 6 installed on my PC aswell so every now and then I can remember how great the game used to be.

[lhslancers]

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I have WE9 play it occasionally still but after a few minutes you see the outdated graphics and totally assisted passing even on manual settings. As much flak as the new offering gets I think it is far superior to the PS2 games.

[ronaldo9]

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Yeah, it's no surprise that the current offerings are better overall games, but what really strikes me is how much better controlling players is in the old WE games. It also seems just more...fun. I think you'd be a madman to overlook the shine and work that's taken place on current FIFA and PES games, but it just doesn't feel as enjoyable to me. That's probably a combo of me being reminiscent and expecting the best out of today's games though.

[fugazi]

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I just ordered WE9 (or PES5, as it's known in Europe), and now I'm just waiting for it to arrive. It should arrive any day now, and I just can't wait to get to play that great game again! And this time I won't make the mistake of selling it.

ARGH THIS ONE IS MY FAVE!!!!!

I miss it so much it's just ridiculous. I miss my ML TEAM!!! lol. 12+ years with those guys!!

Seriously, though...can you get a decent OPTION FILE for it?

[fugazi]

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Yeah, it's no surprise that the current offerings are better overall games, but what really strikes me is how much better controlling players is in the old WE games. It also seems just more...fun. I think you'd be a madman to overlook the shine and work that's taken place on current FIFA and PES games, but it just doesn't feel as enjoyable to me. That's probably a combo of me being reminiscent and expecting the best out of today's games though.

I think the ML doesn't work as well, either.

I like a lot of PES2011, but why there are no player swaps I just can't understand. Why negotiations are so hackneyed is beyond me. The "permanent purple arrow from pissed-off player" is just a bit silly. I think the "away form" factor on condition arrows is over-done; even with a top tier staff, the away form seems applied to heavy-handedly. With a 4-star coach, it was difficult fielding a decent side at times.

I thought there would be some nice cutscenes, but none of those either.

Now...the "team style" thing is great. It isn't perfect, and there are some things missing from the approach, but it "works" and really changes the feel of the team.

[ronaldo9]

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ARGH THIS ONE IS MY FAVE!!!!!

I miss it so much it's just ridiculous. I miss my ML TEAM!!! lol. 12+ years with those guys!!

Seriously, though...can you get a decent OPTION FILE for it?

There are some here for the xbox - http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox/928799-...eleven-9/saves and http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox/925407-...national/saves

Other platforms are there too. I have no idea if they work though

[jesmith29]

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I've seen alot of people say PES 5 and or PES 6 were the best.

Since I never played either one of those, for people that have, what set those two apart from todays and why are they considered better than 7 and beyond?

[jb1]

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I've seen alot of people say PES 5 and or PES 6 were the best.

Since I never played either one of those, for people that have, what set those two apart from todays and why are they considered better than 7 and beyond?

The easy answer is the gameplay. I felt I had more natural control over my player and I still haven't played a game before or since where the shooting feels like it did in 5 and 6. Add in the feel of passing (particularly through balls), crossing, heading and tackling and for me those two games were just better. Even the keepers who were pretty average then haven't really improved since.

There are things that are better now of course, the graphics being miles ahead for one and that alone can make it difficult to go back and play the old games, i'm still not sold on the animations we see today but it's arguable which are better. The commentary was never great but I still don't think it's upto much these days.

Overall for me I would just say that playing PES 5 and 6 was just more fun than playing PES 12 is now. When I play 12 today I can see the advances that have been made but I feel like i'm trying to force enjoyment out of the game whereas before I could just enjoy the game for what it was, a great game.

I do think though that PES 12 has shown some signs of life, it just might be too little too late to win back some of us PES veterans.