Manual vs CPU catching

[jmood88]

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To those who consider not manually catching "cheating," that is not true at all. Football games should be about strategy, not about who controls the joystick better.

You are saying(or at least implying) that manually catching is cheating. And I don't know what kind of experiences you have but just because you control a reciever doesn't mean that it's an automatic catch. Far from it in fact. I don't want the computer controlling whether my player can get to the ball in time when I can do that. I don't always control the reciever but if I am throwing a deep pass then i will take control of them or anytime where I have enough time to turn into the reciver.

[NYJets]

Not implying that at all. I do think it helps you out as opposed to letting the CPU catch it, and I do think it allows receivers to make plays that probably shouldn't have been made at times. But hey, it's part of the game, and if people are good enough to do it, than go ahead.

I just really don't agree with people saying that it is cheating, or your not playing right if you don't take control of everyone. There's 11 guys on the field, you shouldn't have to control them all.

[wwharton]

jmood, you're trying to start something when nothing's there. jets said specifically that letting the cpu catch for you shouldn't be considered cheating. you shouldn't read it any other way.

i agree but mostly bc of what was said before. when they had the 3 circles it was really beneficial to catch as much as possible yourself (especially if you had some challenged wrs like on the ravens). now it's as if manually catching may help you make a play that otherwise may not be made about 5% of the time. however there's probably a good 25% at least chance that trying to manual catch will cause an incompletion or interception if you push to hard on the stick one way or another. therefore it doesn't really help you much to manually catch... 5% doesn't make it worth it. i would like it if on the highest two levels, even some of the better wrs had more trouble holding onto or getting open for balls unless you switch to them and try to catch yourself. then i'd happily work on getting it down the way i did before but for now it's not even worth it to me. i focus more on throwing good passes and only to open wrs.

[Pared]

Good to see I'm not the only one that can respect NYJ's views. While I don't agree with them, there isn't a reason people can't have two different views on the same subject.

Judging by the poll, it's actually nowhere near what I thought... at least for ESPN.

I don't see why one would need to argue about it. You have your beliefs, I have mine, the next person had theirs... and so on...

[grunt]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Good to see I'm not the only one that can respect NYJ's views. While I don't agree with them, there isn't a reason people can't have two different views on the same subject. Judging by the poll, it's actually nowhere near what I thought... at least for ESPN. I don't see why one would need to argue about it. You have your beliefs, I have mine, the next person had theirs... and so on...

Pared maybe you could do the same poll in the madden forum.

[wwharton]

madden's different though. i think depending on the level (haven't played much in a LONG while and never got that great) it's either to your benefit to catch yourself or not. my issue with ESPN is that it really doesn't help you much either way.

[grunt]

Quote: Originally Posted by wwharton

madden's different though. i think depending on the level (haven't played much in a LONG while and never got that great) it's either to your benefit to catch yourself or not. my issue with ESPN is that it really doesn't help you much either way.

For the first 4 months of my 2k5 experience I didnt manual catch but for the last month I started to focus on manually catching. Both on offense and defense. It really started for me when I played tddy from OSFL. I notice he coming down with pics that most people didnt come down with then afroman said it didnt really make a diffrence either.

I found that it helped my short to meduim passing game and run after catch. I still wotking on it but it is worth the work and practice. I saved maybe 10 manual catches that I would have never made if I let the cpu do it. Even if there is a 5-10% change that is huge for one game. That means more first downs, better field position, and higher scoring.

Peace

[wwharton]

manual catching is cool. it lets you see some animations that you wouldn't normally see. and i also think it DEFINITELY helps to try to pick off passes yourself rather than leaving it to the cpu. but on offense, doesn't matter too much. it does make it easier to catch more stuff in traffic i'm sure and makes the game more interesting to you, however if you focus on not passing to guys who really aren't open then it doesn't matter too much. i rarely manually catch on offense and i have Boller in both of my active leagues, throwing to Ravens WRs in one of them and he's a top 5 passer in both. tddyc is a beast on D anyway but i promise you his success in the passing game has more to do with throwing to the right people than manual catching. with the team he has (for those that don't know, i happen to be in the same league and know the guy very well) his wrs would make plays anyway. he's a master at making the right decision.

now i don't doubt that it's helped your passing game or even that it makes the game more challenging but in competition it also makes it more risky when i can have the same success by not doing it and run more of a risk of screwing up a play at times when i do. see what i mean? i just wish that there was a big difference in the success rate of catching balls if you do it and it's just too easy to be successful passing without doing it at all. on the top levels that shouldn't be the case.