Madden would be getting "LIVED"!!!

[newgen1]

Quote: Originally Posted by TeeDogg

another point, EA must have had similar thoughts. let say the NFL lisence was forced by the NFL wanting exclusivity (thata word?) but EA sure went to great extents to ensure no one was able to make a reasonable marketable football title......c'mon..an exclisive arean league deal...LOL..they must have feared something

Damn straight.... they were scared!! They tied up every football lisence imaginable. They didn't want to leave any room for TT to make another football game. Some people call it good business, others call it cowardness and bitch move. EA needs to stop being so damn lazy and make a Good Football game.

[kutte]

well i was a madden sheep for awhile. but you have to remember that Vc made madden what it is today well until 9 i think once tuburon took over and took out presentation and stuff. i can remember when madden 05 was coming out and a bunch of us at work was like forget 2k5 and all because we were Madden dick monkeys. But after playing 2k5 i was in the dark, but now that im an older gamer now, i want more for my money. Who cares about nfl exclusive if APF gives us total customization.
I think if VC uses things like the euphoria ai, i think it could be a wrape for EA. i can't go back to madden anymmore, not after 07 on 360. i felt like i was given elephant crap to eat

[coogrfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I will say this, there is no doubt they bought the college license with this in mind. In my mind they know NCAA Football was vulnerable (their sales are signicantly lower than Madden's) and that was a motivating factor in securing that particular license.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/070118/3/2w08z.html

Top 10 console/handheld video games 2006 (total on all platforms)

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1. "Madden NFL 07," EA
2. "Cars," THQ Inc.
3. "Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy," LucasArts
4. "NCAA Football 07," EA
5. "New Super Mario Bros.," Nintendo
6. "Need for Speed: Most Wanted," EA
7. "Gears of War," Microsoft Corp.
8. "Call of Duty 3," Activision Inc.
9. "Lego Star Wars," LucasArts 10. "Fight Night Round 3," EA

2006 wasn't an aberration, NCAA has been a top 10 title for several years now. to me that doesn't sound like a "vulnerable" franchise. Imo it's more likely that EA was concerned with protecting one of it's most lucrative properties.

[VCdolphin]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

That's logical. I could see that. However, imo, EA's hold on the NFL license is indefinite.

Maybe, even probably if they are willing to shell out another HUGE check to the NFL. Without 2K developing a football game/engine though, it would be VERY probable that EA would get the license, who would be left to bid? Who would have a next-gen football game ready?

APF 2K8 is a good business move, even if sales just break even on development costs, as it keeps 2K in position to have an NFL game ready in 2010.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

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In 2004, (2k's last year in the football game market)
Madden on PS2, 2k5 on XBox, and 2k5 on PS2 were all Top 10 sellers. NCAA was not. You're kidding yourself if you think it wasn't vulnerable to a possible 2k release.

[coogrfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by newgen1

I agree... it's a whole new ball game on Next Gen systems. I considered myself a PS2 guy. I never even considered an XBox. Sony had a strangle hold on the masses. Well once the Next Gen systems came out I got an Xbox 360. I'm very happy with it and not even thinking about Sony PS3 at this time. Same with Madden and Live. They both had the numbers back in the day. But they will have to compete for the Next Gen Sales and 2K has put out much better games and is getting mad props as of late.

I hate to rain on your parade, but the numbers don't back this up:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=4525&Itemid=2

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Top 10 videogames for 2006 overall (platform specific):

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The PS2 had five games in this category, the Xbox 360 had three and the DS claimed two. Madden NFL 07, PS2, EA—2.8 million New Super Mario Bros., DS, Nintendo—2 million Gears of War, Xbox 360, Microsoft—1.8 million Kingdom Hearts II, PS2, Square Enix—1.7 million Guitar Hero II, PS2, Activision—1.3 million Final Fantasy XII, PS2, Square Enix—1.3 million Brain Age: Train Your Brain, DS, Nintendo—1.1 million Madden NFL 07, Xbox 360, EA—1.1 million Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter, Xbox 360, Ubisoft—1 million NCAA Football 07, PS2, EA—1 million

Madden 07 was the second highest selling 360 title released last year (behind only Gears of War). Note also there are no 2k titles in the top 10, despite their generally higher review scores.

Methinks your claim of a shift is a tad premature.

[coogrfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

In 2004, (2k's last year in the football game market) Madden on PS2, 2k5 on XBox, and 2k5 on PS2 were all Top 10 sellers. NCAA was not. You're kidding yourself if you think it wasn't vulnerable to a possible 2k release.

http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/ncaa-fo.../531722p1.html

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I haven't been able to find total sales of NCAA for the year 2004 across all platforms, but I'd be willing to bet that it if didn't finish in the top 10 it didn't miss by much.

I'm sorry, I just don't see this vulnerability your describing. The notion is especially humorous when you consider just how utterly craptacular VC's last effort at cfb (NCAA 2k3) was.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/ncaa-fo.../531722p1.html I haven't been able to find total sales of NCAA for the year 2004 across all platforms, but I'd be willing to bet that it if didn't finish in the top 10 it didn't miss by much. I'm sorry, I just don't see this vulnerability your describing. The notion is especially humorous when you consider just how utterly craptacular VC's last effort at cfb (NCAA 2k3) was.

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I am willing to bet it's a pretty significant difference in numbers. Also considering 2k5 outsold it on both platforms, I don't think it's much of a stretch to think, if 2k had focused 100% of it's efforts on a college game (Due to loss of NFL license), that it could have toppled EA from the NCAA title.