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jbprice20 · 07-31-2003, 09:50 AM

"First, the user controlling the Broncos in this movie did not once let the CPU take control of Jake Plummer dropping back, which most experienced NFL 2K series players already know is an automatic no-no in most situations. A manual dropback would like screw up the timing of the play and subsequently cause errant throws like the 1st INT (more on this below). "

ummmm, i'm not an experienced 2k player (only have played 2k3 for ps2) but i have never once let the computer drop back for me. i play at all different slider levels but, trust me, i'm not playing on any type of rookie level.

9x pass plays are 3-step drops
5x pass plays are 5 to 7-step drops
1xx pass plays are play-action passes
2xx pass plays are roll-outs.

if you know that, know what routes your guys are running so you know when they break and where, and read the defense before the snap, you should be able to pass with really not a lot of problems.

not saying it's easy, but it's realistic. if you try to bomb all the time, the d adjusts. if you go short all the time, the d adjusts. if you throw into coverage or screw up your timing, your receiver drops the ball or you get picked.

Kruza · 07-31-2003, 10:19 AM

That's true, jbprice20. But for situations where you'll have to fit the ball in a tight space through certain zone coverages, it's going to be awfully tough to get the timing down right whenever manually dropping back. It can be done though.

Kruza

jbprice20 · 07-31-2003, 11:01 AM

kruza -

like i said, i've never let the computer do it (except for rollouts) and it seems pretty realistic to me what happens. i know what u are saying about throwing into tight zones but then again if i see that a team is playing zone all the time, i load up on one side or try to throw over the top of the zone if they bunch up near the line or dink and dunk them to death if they are soft. that's what i love about this game (not comparing to madden since i haven't played madden since sega genesis days) is that i think you really need to know your football to be successful at the higher levels. not saying u don't know, just talkin'.

**DONOTDELETE** · 07-31-2003, 01:05 PM

Maybe the guy just isn't very good...... Not tryin' to be sarcastic or anything. That being the case that REALLY proves the A.I. is smarter, because if you stink, the computer will make you pay. Baptism by fire.

wwharton · 07-31-2003, 01:47 PM

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gooberstabone said:
Maybe the guy just isn't very good...... Not tryin' to be sarcastic or anything. That being the case that REALLY proves the A.I. is smarter, because if you stink, the computer will make you pay. Baptism by fire.

lol, kruza, lay off the kid. i can promise you he didn't do any of those things to show off good pass d. you just know too much.

Kruza · 07-31-2003, 02:57 PM

Heh, nah I'm a dense cat. I barely know anything about these things. I just went over basic common sense stuff there in that post. Nothing really detailed or specific at all.

Anyway, I thought about that Broncos user just not knowing what's up. But I decided to give him the benefit of a doubt and say that he's probably showcasing the pass D in the game on purpose. And besides, notice I held out on discussing about the second INT he threw. Now explaining what happened here actually deserves a multi-paragraph roasting. ;-)

Kruza

wwharton · 07-31-2003, 05:11 PM

well considering i know who did it, lol, i'm positive he wasn't showing anything off but his shady skills.

nothin but love, fldude.

07-31-2003, 09:50 AM	#9
jbprice20 Rookie OVR: 2 Join Date: Mar 2003	Re: Okay, that\'s it "First, the user controlling the Broncos in this movie did not once let the CPU take control of Jake Plummer dropping back, which most experienced NFL 2K series players already know is an automatic no-no in most situations. A manual dropback would like screw up the timing of the play and subsequently cause errant throws like the 1st INT (more on this below). " ummmm, i'm not an experienced 2k player (only have played 2k3 for ps2) but i have never once let the computer drop back for me. i play at all different slider levels but, trust me, i'm not playing on any type of rookie level. 9x pass plays are 3-step drops 5x pass plays are 5 to 7-step drops 1xx pass plays are play-action passes 2xx pass plays are roll-outs. if you know that, know what routes your guys are running so you know when they break and where, and read the defense before the snap, you should be able to pass with really not a lot of problems. not saying it's easy, but it's realistic. if you try to bomb all the time, the d adjusts. if you go short all the time, the d adjusts. if you throw into coverage or screw up your timing, your receiver drops the ball or you get picked.

07-31-2003, 10:19 AM	#10
Kruza Mainstream Outlaw OVR: 39 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 6,285 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Okay, that\'s it That's true, jbprice20. But for situations where you'll have to fit the ball in a tight space through certain zone coverages, it's going to be awfully tough to get the timing down right whenever manually dropping back. It can be done though. Kruza

07-31-2003, 11:01 AM	#11
jbprice20 Rookie OVR: 2 Join Date: Mar 2003	Re: Okay, that\'s it kruza - like i said, i've never let the computer do it (except for rollouts) and it seems pretty realistic to me what happens. i know what u are saying about throwing into tight zones but then again if i see that a team is playing zone all the time, i load up on one side or try to throw over the top of the zone if they bunch up near the line or dink and dunk them to death if they are soft. that's what i love about this game (not comparing to madden since i haven't played madden since sega genesis days) is that i think you really need to know your football to be successful at the higher levels. not saying u don't know, just talkin'.

07-31-2003, 01:05 PM	#12
DONOTDELETE Hall Of Fame OVR: 1 Join Date: Dec 1969	Re: Okay, that\'s it Maybe the guy just isn't very good...... Not tryin' to be sarcastic or anything. That being the case that REALLY proves the A.I. is smarter, because if you stink, the computer will make you pay. Baptism by fire.

07-31-2003, 01:47 PM	#13
wwharton ll Str OVR: 28 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 26,978	Re: Okay, that\'s it Quote: *gooberstabone said:* Maybe the guy just isn't very good...... Not tryin' to be sarcastic or anything. That being the case that REALLY proves the A.I. is smarter, because if you stink, the computer will make you pay. Baptism by fire. lol, kruza, lay off the kid. i can promise you he didn't do any of those things to show off good pass d. you just know too much.

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07-31-2003, 02:57 PM	#14
Kruza Mainstream Outlaw OVR: 39 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 6,285 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Okay, that\'s it Heh, nah I'm a dense cat. I barely know anything about these things. I just went over basic common sense stuff there in that post. Nothing really detailed or specific at all. Anyway, I thought about that Broncos user just not knowing what's up. But I decided to give him the benefit of a doubt and say that he's probably showcasing the pass D in the game on purpose. And besides, notice I held out on discussing about the second INT he threw. Now explaining what happened here actually deserves a multi-paragraph roasting. ;-) Kruza

07-31-2003, 05:11 PM	#15
wwharton ll Str OVR: 28 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 26,978	Re: Okay, that\'s it well considering i know who did it, lol, i'm positive he wasn't showing anything off but his shady skills. nothin but love, fldude.

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