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Steve_OS · 08-26-2003, 01:24 PM

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32570 said:
Hi Steve

This is me Tyrant.

Have it that u only played a small amount with ESPN and im sure u put alot more time into Madden. It might be early to tell, but which game delivers a better NFL experience?

I found Madden to be ok , but it has done in my opinion very little to improve its brand of football. I dont want to judge espn from its demo , so I was hoping u can give me some feedback.

Thank you
Tyrant21RDFL

I'm not going to compare the 2 games, but I will say this. The demo was just that, a demo. The full version is a lot more cleaner and the little bugs are ironed out. That demo version that was put out, from what I have heard, was the same 50% version we all played at E3. The demo was on "Pro" which is a cake walk on the Beta. Maybe if you could have bumped it to All - Pro in the demo, you could see more of what I'm talking about. Just remember the demo was just that, a demo of an older version of ESPN.

Steve_OS · 08-26-2003, 01:25 PM

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Klue516 said:

Challenge system is awesome. I had questioned the spot of ball on 3rd and 10. The refs gave them a 1st down, but I thought it was a generous spot, so I threw the red flag. After further review, I was right!!

I love it. Another time the ref ruled a fumble, when after further review it was an incomplete pass. The reactions of the coaches is pricless heh..... I've seen about 50/50 on reversals.

I'm sure you've seen them all by now. I like it tho.

Seems to be on by default now. But instead of pressing the direction before your pass, you kinda have to hit the pass button and then hit the direction you want to maximum pass too. I need to practice it a little more, I might have that backwards.

-Where any Team/Player statistics messed up by the challenge feature

-Does Stat tracking seem pretty accurate this year?

Not following you.

Stat tracking as a whole for every team?? As in realistic results at the end of the season?? I haven't simmed any yet.

MuffinMcFluffin · 08-26-2003, 01:25 PM

I'm not sure how it is in real life either, but if you take up some yards on a run, lateral it to someone, and they run for a little while aswell, do both of them get their separate yards for what they ran, or does just the last guy get credited with all the yards?

Steve_OS · 08-26-2003, 01:26 PM

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MuffinMcFluffin said:
I'm not sure how it is in real life either, but if you take up some yards on a run, lateral it to someone, and they run for a little while aswell, do both of them get their separate yards for what they ran, or does just the last guy get credited with all the yards?

Honestly, I have no idea.

NYJets · 08-26-2003, 01:28 PM

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Steve_OS said:
Something Pennington won't have to worry about this year right Jets??

That was cold.

Do QB's sometimes take more time in the pocket, or move around more? Last year they would always get rid of it right when they finished with their drop, even with no one open.

Steve_OS · 08-26-2003, 01:30 PM

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NYJets37 said:

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Steve_OS said:
Something Pennington won't have to worry about this year right Jets??

That was cold.

Do QB's sometimes take more time in the pocket, or move around more? Last year they would always get rid of it right when they finished with their drop, even with no one open.

Well, there tend to be more sacks this year, so they do hold onto the ball longer if nobody is open. Someone like Carr however, well, he seemed to panic a lot.

MuffinMcFluffin · 08-26-2003, 01:31 PM

I can answer this one for you Steve.

Yes, they do. If you've played the demo, they will often times do a pump fake, and sometimes drop back more... you will also see them sometimes scramble out of the pocket to throw.

Boilerbuzz · 08-26-2003, 01:32 PM

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Steve_OS said:

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Klue516 said:

Challenge system is awesome. I had questioned the spot of ball on 3rd and 10. The refs gave them a 1st down, but I thought it was a generous spot, so I threw the red flag. After further review, I was right!! I love it. Another time the ref ruled a fumble, when after further review it was an incomplete pass. The reactions of the coaches is pricless heh..... I've seen about 50/50 on reversals.

I'm sure you've seen them all by now. I like it tho.

Seems to be on by default now. But instead of pressing the direction before your pass, you kinda have to hit the pass button and then hit the direction you want to maximum pass too. I need to practice it a little more, I might have that backwards.

-Where any Team/Player statistics messed up by the challenge feature

-Does Stat tracking seem pretty accurate this year?

Not following you.

Stat tracking as a whole for every team?? As in realistic results at the end of the season?? I haven't simmed any yet.

I think he's asking if the stats get corrected for a reversed call properly. Like if a fumble is ruled an incomplete, does the fumble and completion get erased and replaced with an incompletion...

As far as the lateral question goes, I THINK (I'm not sure anyone outside of an official NFL statastician knows) that if the lateral was intentional, it's considered a handoff, so the last runner will get all of the stats. However, it could also be considered yards in advancement of a fumble (loose ball).

08-26-2003, 01:24 PM	#65
Steve_OS Editor-in-Chief OVR: 77 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: OS Eastern Office Posts: 31,667 Blog Entries: 556	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions Quote: *32570 said:* Hi Steve This is me Tyrant. Have it that u only played a small amount with ESPN and im sure u put alot more time into Madden. It might be early to tell, but which game delivers a better NFL experience? I found Madden to be ok , but it has done in my opinion very little to improve its brand of football. I dont want to judge espn from its demo , so I was hoping u can give me some feedback. Thank you Tyrant21RDFL I'm not going to compare the 2 games, but I will say this. The demo was just that, a demo. The full version is a lot more cleaner and the little bugs are ironed out. That demo version that was put out, from what I have heard, was the same 50% version we all played at E3. The demo was on "Pro" which is a cake walk on the Beta. Maybe if you could have bumped it to All - Pro in the demo, you could see more of what I'm talking about. Just remember the demo was just that, a demo of an older version of ESPN.

08-26-2003, 01:25 PM	#66
Steve_OS Editor-in-Chief OVR: 77 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: OS Eastern Office Posts: 31,667 Blog Entries: 556	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions Quote: *Klue516 said:* Challenge system is awesome. I had questioned the spot of ball on 3rd and 10. The refs gave them a 1st down, but I thought it was a generous spot, so I threw the red flag. After further review, I was right!! I love it. Another time the ref ruled a fumble, when after further review it was an incomplete pass. The reactions of the coaches is pricless heh..... I've seen about 50/50 on reversals. I'm sure you've seen them all by now. I like it tho. Seems to be on by default now. But instead of pressing the direction before your pass, you kinda have to hit the pass button and then hit the direction you want to maximum pass too. I need to practice it a little more, I might have that backwards. -Where any Team/Player statistics messed up by the challenge feature -Does Stat tracking seem pretty accurate this year? Not following you. Stat tracking as a whole for every team?? As in realistic results at the end of the season?? I haven't simmed any yet.

08-26-2003, 01:25 PM	#67
MuffinMcFluffin Banned OVR: 14 Join Date: Feb 2003	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions I'm not sure how it is in real life either, but if you take up some yards on a run, lateral it to someone, and they run for a little while aswell, do both of them get their separate yards for what they ran, or does just the last guy get credited with all the yards?

08-26-2003, 01:26 PM	#68
Steve_OS Editor-in-Chief OVR: 77 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: OS Eastern Office Posts: 31,667 Blog Entries: 556	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions Quote: *MuffinMcFluffin said:* I'm not sure how it is in real life either, but if you take up some yards on a run, lateral it to someone, and they run for a little while aswell, do both of them get their separate yards for what they ran, or does just the last guy get credited with all the yards? Honestly, I have no idea.

08-26-2003, 01:28 PM	#69
NYJets Hall Of Fame OVR: 26 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 18,650	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions Quote: *Steve_OS said:* Something Pennington won't have to worry about this year right Jets?? That was cold. Do QB's sometimes take more time in the pocket, or move around more? Last year they would always get rid of it right when they finished with their drop, even with no one open.

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08-26-2003, 01:30 PM	#70
Steve_OS Editor-in-Chief OVR: 77 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: OS Eastern Office Posts: 31,667 Blog Entries: 556	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions Quote: *NYJets37 said:* Quote: *Steve_OS said:* Something Pennington won't have to worry about this year right Jets?? That was cold. Do QB's sometimes take more time in the pocket, or move around more? Last year they would always get rid of it right when they finished with their drop, even with no one open. Well, there tend to be more sacks this year, so they do hold onto the ball longer if nobody is open. Someone like Carr however, well, he seemed to panic a lot.

08-26-2003, 01:31 PM	#71
MuffinMcFluffin Banned OVR: 14 Join Date: Feb 2003	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions I can answer this one for you Steve. Yes, they do. If you've played the demo, they will often times do a pump fake, and sometimes drop back more... you will also see them sometimes scramble out of the pocket to throw.

08-26-2003, 01:32 PM	#72
Boilerbuzz D* Brs! OVR: 28** Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 5,155 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Our BETA ESPN NFL Football Impressions Quote: *Steve_OS said:* Quote: *Klue516 said:* Challenge system is awesome. I had questioned the spot of ball on 3rd and 10. The refs gave them a 1st down, but I thought it was a generous spot, so I threw the red flag. After further review, I was right!! I love it. Another time the ref ruled a fumble, when after further review it was an incomplete pass. The reactions of the coaches is pricless heh..... I've seen about 50/50 on reversals. I'm sure you've seen them all by now. I like it tho. Seems to be on by default now. But instead of pressing the direction before your pass, you kinda have to hit the pass button and then hit the direction you want to maximum pass too. I need to practice it a little more, I might have that backwards. -Where any Team/Player statistics messed up by the challenge feature -Does Stat tracking seem pretty accurate this year? Not following you. Stat tracking as a whole for every team?? As in realistic results at the end of the season?? I haven't simmed any yet. I think he's asking if the stats get corrected for a reversed call properly. Like if a fumble is ruled an incomplete, does the fumble and completion get erased and replaced with an incompletion... As far as the lateral question goes, I THINK (I'm not sure anyone outside of an official NFL statastician knows) that if the lateral was intentional, it's considered a handoff, so the last runner will get all of the stats. However, it could also be considered yards in advancement of a fumble (loose ball).

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