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onetonmartin · 09-23-2003, 10:23 AM

I agree with the guy above. It seems like passing a multi .. & I mean multi platform giant in sales with the fanbase they have is not really even an option in the next few years to come.

I have more than 10 old fraternity brothers who don't even know that there is another football game out there. They just go buy Madden around the release date and could care less about the reviews. I don't even care to try & change their minds. To them it's like "What can be better than Madden?" Their motives are good. They just want to have some football fun and Madden has done the trick for the last 10 years, why wouldn't it this year.

I'm more of a tech guy so I spend a lot of time on the net for work and play so I know how to get a solid opinion or review.

My point is... we (those who read videogame reviews & look for advice in chat forums) are a small percentage of the market. It might look good from our scope, but Madden has the street credibility.

LIGHTNING · 09-23-2003, 10:40 AM

I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad.

MrScary · 09-23-2003, 10:54 AM

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onetonmartin said:
I agree with the guy above. It seems like passing a multi .. & I mean multi platform giant in sales with the fanbase they have is not really even an option in the next few years to come.

I have more than 10 old fraternity brothers who don't even know that there is another football game out there. They just go buy Madden around the release date and could care less about the reviews. I don't even care to try & change their minds. To them it's like "What can be better than Madden?" Their motives are good. They just want to have some football fun and Madden has done the trick for the last 10 years, why wouldn't it this year.

I'm more of a tech guy so I spend a lot of time on the net for work and play so I know how to get a solid opinion or review.

My point is... we (those who read videogame reviews & look for advice in chat forums) are a small percentage of the market. It might look good from our scope, but Madden has the street credibility.

Very well said.

Klue516 · 09-23-2003, 02:23 PM

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LIGHTNING said:
I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad.

No they didn't, VC cut the production for this year's ESPN College football so they could get some extra help on the Pro game. What are you talking about?

Goffs · 09-23-2003, 03:45 PM

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LIGHTNING said:
I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad.

HA! dont you wish you troll

jmood88 · 09-23-2003, 04:05 PM

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LIGHTNING said:
I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad.

What are you talking about? Just shut up.

SKINSFAN0303 · 09-23-2003, 04:15 PM

bottom line madden has 14years of being out there.. that's 14 years of cats playing madden vs espn/sega which has about 4 years in the game so madden will out sale them by a ton that's just a fact. Everyone knows the name madden even women know about madden espn is catching up.. but even on espn the network.. the nfl matchup show presented by easports.. and on the college gamday show the gameday crew is on the ea college football game... people know easports people on the whole go get madden when it comes out.. most people want to rent or try espn before they get it part of the reason is a few years back when espn tried to do sports games remember espn footall (with edgerin james on the box) a few years back that game was garbage.. and some cats think this is the same type of thing.. and madden is a sweet game..but so is espn this year but it's going to take a long time to get to maddens sales level but the gap is closing

Kanobi · 09-23-2003, 04:25 PM

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apaapa said:
seems like ESPN has alot more "playercred" this year, and the added polish seems to be great
I bet it will sell better than last year, much more. But madden will still sell the most. Narrowing the gap is good.

I wonder what numbers are for Madden and ESPNFL on Xbox and PS2.

09-23-2003, 10:23 AM	#33
onetonmartin Think Different OVR: 9 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 1,040	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? I agree with the guy above. It seems like passing a multi .. & I mean multi platform giant in sales with the fanbase they have is not really even an option in the next few years to come. I have more than 10 old fraternity brothers who don't even know that there is another football game out there. They just go buy Madden around the release date and could care less about the reviews. I don't even care to try & change their minds. To them it's like "What can be better than Madden?" Their motives are good. They just want to have some football fun and Madden has done the trick for the last 10 years, why wouldn't it this year. I'm more of a tech guy so I spend a lot of time on the net for work and play so I know how to get a solid opinion or review. My point is... we (those who read videogame reviews & look for advice in chat forums) are a small percentage of the market. It might look good from our scope, but Madden has the street credibility.

09-23-2003, 10:40 AM	#34
LIGHTNING MVP OVR: 13 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Homestead, Florida Blog Entries: 1	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad.

09-23-2003, 10:54 AM	#35
MrScary Rookie OVR: 5 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Newark,NJ	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? Quote: *onetonmartin said:* I agree with the guy above. It seems like passing a multi .. & I mean multi platform giant in sales with the fanbase they have is not really even an option in the next few years to come. I have more than 10 old fraternity brothers who don't even know that there is another football game out there. They just go buy Madden around the release date and could care less about the reviews. I don't even care to try & change their minds. To them it's like "What can be better than Madden?" Their motives are good. They just want to have some football fun and Madden has done the trick for the last 10 years, why wouldn't it this year. I'm more of a tech guy so I spend a lot of time on the net for work and play so I know how to get a solid opinion or review. My point is... we (those who read videogame reviews & look for advice in chat forums) are a small percentage of the market. It might look good from our scope, but Madden has the street credibility. Very well said.

09-23-2003, 02:23 PM	#36
Klue516 Plays well in Tennessee OVR: 16 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,804	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? Quote: *LIGHTNING said:* I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad. No they didn't, VC cut the production for this year's ESPN College football so they could get some extra help on the Pro game. What are you talking about?

09-23-2003, 03:45 PM	#37
Goffs New Ork Giants OVR: 30 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,250	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? Quote: *LIGHTNING said:* I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad. HA! dont you wish you troll

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09-23-2003, 04:05 PM	#38
jmood88 Sean Payton: Retribution OVR: 40 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 34,640 Blog Entries: 1	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? Quote: *LIGHTNING said:* I do not think SEGA is going to sell many copies of ESPN NFL 2K4. They may not even sell as many copies as NFL 2K3 and will be lucky to sell 500,000 copies this year. They cut their development staff too much and that is probably why the AI is so bad. What are you talking about? Just shut up.

09-23-2003, 04:15 PM	#39
SKINSFAN0303 Rookie OVR: 3 Join Date: Jul 2003	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? bottom line madden has 14years of being out there.. that's 14 years of cats playing madden vs espn/sega which has about 4 years in the game so madden will out sale them by a ton that's just a fact. Everyone knows the name madden even women know about madden espn is catching up.. but even on espn the network.. the nfl matchup show presented by easports.. and on the college gamday show the gameday crew is on the ea college football game... people know easports people on the whole go get madden when it comes out.. most people want to rent or try espn before they get it part of the reason is a few years back when espn tried to do sports games remember espn footall (with edgerin james on the box) a few years back that game was garbage.. and some cats think this is the same type of thing.. and madden is a sweet game..but so is espn this year but it's going to take a long time to get to maddens sales level but the gap is closing

09-23-2003, 04:25 PM	#40
Kanobi HF Clss f '09 OVR: 14* Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,980 Blog Entries: 17	Re: How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out? Quote: *apaapa said:* seems like ESPN has alot more "playercred" this year, and the added polish seems to be great I bet it will sell better than last year, much more. But madden will still sell the most. Narrowing the gap is good. I wonder what numbers are for Madden and ESPNFL on Xbox and PS2.

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How is ESPN selling? Any numbers out?