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seanmac · 07-11-2004, 09:43 PM

Throwing the deep ball isn't the issue- any quarterback can lob it up there and hope something happens. The problem is that Rivers cannot throw the intermediate to deep routes with an acceptable velocity at the pro level. Every time I watched Rivers in college, I came away seeing multiple throws that would be picked in the NFL. You can't spread the ball and throw the three yard hitch over and over in the NFL. He doesn't have anything resembling a first round caliber arm, and frankly I think he was drafted about three rounds too high.

SportsTop · 07-11-2004, 09:52 PM

I read the negative posts in this thread with regards to Rivers and one name comes to mind......

Joe Montana.

Not saying that Rivers is going to be Montana-esque, but give me a break. Everyone is trying to break Rivers down like they know something. Why was the "can't miss" Leaf a bust? Why was Brady and Warner taken in the later rounds an afterthought? Let's come back to this subject in three years and see where we stand.

seanmac · 07-11-2004, 09:58 PM

I've got one name that comes to mind for Rivers- Danny Wuerffel.

(And don't talk to me about Ryan Leaf being a can't miss player. I hated his game in college.)

eXperiment63 · 07-11-2004, 10:02 PM

This reminds so much of Brady discussions I have had.

Brady is Bar-None, the best Quarterback in the league. Don't come at me with the Peyton Manning-Steve McNair stats. The last time I checked, the Quarterbacks job is to lead his team to victory, not pile up the best stats in the league. Brady leads his team to victory much better than any other Quarterback in the league. You can say, "Well he has the best supporting cast in the game." That is a valid point, but he never fails in a Must-Do situation, just look at his 8-0 record in overtime games for proof of that.

Now that my Brady rant is out of me, lets get back to the subject. Rivers is gonna have a hard time adjusting to the NFL IMO. Like a previous poster said, he will not have enough zip on the intermediate passes to get them through defenders. For him to be accurate he needs to have an arch to his pass because of his low delivery. He will not be able to throw those low laser passes that EVERY other QB can throw, therefore I expect him to get picked off A LOT until he alters his mechanics.

Triton · 07-11-2004, 10:04 PM

Wow, you should be a scout. Clearly from your couch you are able to see things that pro scouts are missing. Good job!

SportsTop · 07-11-2004, 10:12 PM

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Triton said:
Wow, you should be a scout. Clearly from your couch you are able to see things that pro scouts are missing. Good job!

No doubt. It's a good thing that Bernie Kosar or David Carr weren't scouted by this guy. They would've never been drafted.

eXperiment63 · 07-11-2004, 10:19 PM

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Squint said:

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Triton said:
Wow, you should be a scout. Clearly from your couch you are able to see things that pro scouts are missing. Good job!

No doubt. It's a good thing that Bernie Kosar or David Carr weren't scouted by this guy. They would've never been drafted.

I never said he won't be good. I think even though he will get picked, he will be a good QB. I don't think he warrants where he was drafted(Basically #1 overall), I think Big Ben is better than him. Is he a first rounder IMO? Yes he is, just not a #1.

I30t · 07-11-2004, 11:27 PM

phillip rivers. ha ha.

you might need to know a little about ACC football to understand where i'm coming from, but

what a douche.

07-11-2004, 09:43 PM	#9
seanmac MVP OVR: 8 Join Date: Jul 2002	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture Throwing the deep ball isn't the issue- any quarterback can lob it up there and hope something happens. The problem is that Rivers cannot throw the intermediate to deep routes with an acceptable velocity at the pro level. Every time I watched Rivers in college, I came away seeing multiple throws that would be picked in the NFL. You can't spread the ball and throw the three yard hitch over and over in the NFL. He doesn't have anything resembling a first round caliber arm, and frankly I think he was drafted about three rounds too high.

07-11-2004, 09:52 PM	#10
SportsTop The Few. The Proud. OVR: 44 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,716 Blog Entries: 10	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture I read the negative posts in this thread with regards to Rivers and one name comes to mind...... Joe Montana. Not saying that Rivers is going to be Montana-esque, but give me a break. Everyone is trying to break Rivers down like they know something. Why was the "can't miss" Leaf a bust? Why was Brady and Warner taken in the later rounds an afterthought? Let's come back to this subject in three years and see where we stand.

07-11-2004, 09:58 PM	#11
seanmac MVP OVR: 8 Join Date: Jul 2002	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture I've got one name that comes to mind for Rivers- Danny Wuerffel. (And don't talk to me about Ryan Leaf being a can't miss player. I hated his game in college.)

07-11-2004, 10:02 PM	#12
eXperiment63 MVP OVR: 14 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture This reminds so much of Brady discussions I have had. Brady is Bar-None, the best Quarterback in the league. Don't come at me with the Peyton Manning-Steve McNair stats. The last time I checked, the Quarterbacks job is to lead his team to victory, not pile up the best stats in the league. Brady leads his team to victory much better than any other Quarterback in the league. You can say, "Well he has the best supporting cast in the game." That is a valid point, but he never fails in a Must-Do situation, just look at his 8-0 record in overtime games for proof of that. Now that my Brady rant is out of me, lets get back to the subject. Rivers is gonna have a hard time adjusting to the NFL IMO. Like a previous poster said, he will not have enough zip on the intermediate passes to get them through defenders. For him to be accurate he needs to have an arch to his pass because of his low delivery. He will not be able to throw those low laser passes that EVERY other QB can throw, therefore I expect him to get picked off A LOT until he alters his mechanics.

07-11-2004, 10:04 PM	#13
Triton MVP OVR: 9 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Ohio State University	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture Wow, you should be a scout. Clearly from your couch you are able to see things that pro scouts are missing. Good job!

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07-11-2004, 10:12 PM	#14
SportsTop The Few. The Proud. OVR: 44 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,716 Blog Entries: 10	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture Quote: *Triton said:* Wow, you should be a scout. Clearly from your couch you are able to see things that pro scouts are missing. Good job! No doubt. It's a good thing that Bernie Kosar or David Carr weren't scouted by this guy. They would've never been drafted.

07-11-2004, 10:19 PM	#15
eXperiment63 MVP OVR: 14 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture Quote: *Squint said:* Quote: *Triton said:* Wow, you should be a scout. Clearly from your couch you are able to see things that pro scouts are missing. Good job! No doubt. It's a good thing that Bernie Kosar or David Carr weren't scouted by this guy. They would've never been drafted. I never said he won't be good. I think even though he will get picked, he will be a good QB. I don't think he warrants where he was drafted(Basically #1 overall), I think Big Ben is better than him. Is he a first rounder IMO? Yes he is, just not a #1.

07-11-2004, 11:27 PM	#16
I30t Rookie OVR: 1 Join Date: Oct 2003	Re: Phillip Rivers Picture phillip rivers. ha ha. you might need to know a little about ACC football to understand where i'm coming from, but what a douche.

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