OFFICIAL COMMUNITY DRAFT/ROSTER UPDATE

**Flipmo23** · 05-02-2006, 07:01 PM

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UNIVERSAL METHOD FOR ROOKIE CAPs... THIS IS COPIED FROM THE OLD THREAD

This, so far, is the STANDARD that those in the previous community thread have agreed on so far for Rookie CAPs. If you would like to throw in some input as to what should be changed, you are more than welcome to do so in THAT thread. Just be sure to at least look at some of the rookie profiles on the Official NFL.com Draft Analyzer Site before doing so:

Again, all rookie ratings will be based ENTIRELY on this standard, based on the nfl.com ratings linked to above.

UPDATE 5/8/06 - THIS RUBRIC HAS BEEN FINALIZED ALREADY, NO FURTHER CHANGES WILL BE MADE

ESPN CATEGORY RATING - NFL DRAFT ANALYZER EQUIVALENT (OUT OF 100/OUT OF 10.0)

Speed - Based on 40-time, see notes below
Agility - COD Rating *+10 for all positions except for O-Line/D-Line
Strength - Play Strength
Jumping - Athletic Ability *+10 for DBs
Pass Blocking - Pass Blocking*For O-Line, use pass protection +10
Run Blocking - Run Blocking*For O-Line, use Run Block +10
Catch - Hands (+5) *Defensive players, catch rating no higher than 5
Run Route - Patterns (+15) *For RBs, use Elusiveness (Do NOT add 15)
Hold On To Ball - Fumbles (+5)
Run Coverage - Pursuit/Range (+5) *For DB's, use Zone Coverage Rating (Do NOT add 5)
Pass Accuracy - Convert %
Pass Arm Strength - Arm Strength (+15)
Pass Read Coverage - Read Defenses (+15)
Pass Rush - Rush Ability (+5) *For DB's, use Fight-Blocker Rating (Do NOT add 5)
Tackle - Tackling (+10)
Coverage - Man Coverage (+10) OR *Read & React for D-Linemen (Do NOT add 10)
Kick Power - 20 for Non-Kickers
Kick Accuracy - 20 for Non-Kickers
Stamina - All rookies will have 75 stamina, for now
Durablity - Durability (+10)
Leadership - Pride/Quit *Don't use this for QBs, see below
Scramble - Accuracy on Move
Composure - Clutch Play/Big Play
Consistency - Consistency (+10)
Aggressiveness - Instincts/Reactions
Break Tackle - This is a special case. For all players EXCEPT RBs, play strength will be the Break Tackle rating. For Running Backs, there is a formula for Break Tackle:

BREAK TACKLE For RBs = [(BODY TYPE + PLAY STRENGTH) Divided by 2, +10

So for a guy like LenDale White... you're looking at [(75+70)/2]+10 = ~83 Break Tackle Rating

Believe me, we did not want to make it so complex, but this was the trickiest rating to get correct so that all the BT ratings for the RBs came out consistent.

Also, QB's have a QB-specific LEADERSHIP rating on NFL.com's DA, so use that rating for leadership instead of "pride/quit".

All ratings on NFL.com's Draft Analyzer are from 1-10. So a player with a 8.0 rating in a category = an 80 in-game, unless otherwise altered according to the standard rubric above.

Speed is the one rating I left out because we should base this on the 40 times . The speed ratings and how the times translate into ratings in the game can be found here.

VERY IMPORTANT: ON THE DRAFT ANALYZER SITE, CERTAIN RATINGS FOR CERTAIN POSITIONS ARE NOT GIVEN. EXAMPLE, THE CATCH RATING FOR A QUARTERBACK. FOR NOW, ANY RATING NOT GIVEN SHOULD BE PUT AT "20" AND A NOTE TAKEN SO THAT WE CAN GET BACK TO IT LATER. ALSO, CLEAR THE PHOTOS OF ROOKIES YOU CREATE AS YOU GO ALONG PLEASE.

LET'S BE CONSISTENT; SET TEAM DEPTH CHARTS WILL GO ACCORDING TO THE OURLADS WEBSITE, HERE: http://www.ourlads.com/secure/index.cfm

JUST TO CLARIFY, SINCE MOST TEAMS HAVE WAY MORE PLAYERS THAN THEY ARE ALLOWED TO START THE SEASON WITH, WE WILL ONLY BE UPDATING ROSTERS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT IN THE DEPTH CHART. THIS WILL MAKE ROOM FOR PLAYERS TO BE CREATED. IF A ROOKIE IS NOT PUT IN AS A SIGNIFICANT PLAYER ON OURLADS, DO NOT CREATE HIM. THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AS FOLLOWS:

DEFENSE

SS AND FS - UP TO 2ND OR 3RD TEAM
OLB/ILB - UP TO 4TH TEAM
DE/DT - UP TO 4TH TEAM
CB - 6 CORNERBACKS

OFFENSE

QB - 4TH TEAM
RB - 4TH TEAM
FB - 2ND TEAM
WR - 6 RECEIVERS
TE - 3RD TEAM
T - 3RD TEAM FOR EACH SIDE
G - 3RD TEAM FOR EACH SIDE
C - 2ND TEAM

**Rickster101** · 05-02-2006, 08:40 PM

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I'm going to inject a little humor here things feel kinda tight so lets still have fun and stick to the "STANDARDS"....

Now about that humor thing...I've this feelin' I've seen this kind of thing in the "Ten Commandments" when Mosse (Flipmo23) came of that mountain with the "Laws" (STANDARDS) for man (The members involved) to live by just a funny thought to brighten up your day!

Holla Back ya'll

Rickster101

**Flipmo23** · 05-02-2006, 08:43 PM

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how do you feel about the part I just added Rickster?

**Rickster101** · 05-02-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by Flipmo23

hoe do you feel about the part I just added Rickster?

Pretty much speaks for itself all that has to be done is laid out and set-up in easy to follow instructions that any member casual or hardcore can follow and it doesn't exclude anyone with the tools and shareware to partcipate in and thats a good thing as in..."Community" meaning we all benifit and win coming out with something for all to be apart of as a "Community" I've a feeling this will re-energize an already strong presence for 2K Football gamers at the best site going still active in keeping not only the game of ESPN Football alive and stong at least here at "OS...Da Spot" but also the spirit and essence of the games true core fans among the member at this site and they can tell their friends and they can tell someone eles...we have an active ESPN 2K Football segment of players still playing the game...we ain't done yet theres still a Football season to be played and we're doing it 2K ESPN style with OS support from guys here who know and work at keeping the game alive and around for one more season...it ain't over yet!!!

Holla Back ya'll

Rickster101

**Flipmo23** · 05-02-2006, 10:05 PM

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Rickster, made some changes to the standard to reflect the fact that the scale is actually from 1-9 on NFLDA... very minor changes, and also added a standard to determine the JUMPING rating, which I somehow forgot.

edit - i just need to finish up 3 rookies to finish the NYG... I followed the standard posted above strictly, and Sinorice Moss comes out to a 75! Hopefully, all the CAPs will come out this good! I'll keep you guys posted, as I would like to finish my division tonight, as I have no work tomorrow.

**actual29** · 05-02-2006, 10:30 PM

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i wud like to take a min and thank u guys for this
i jus recently came accross all of this stuff that can be done w/ 2k5 because my madden had broken.
glad i cud bring back the 2k5

CANT WAIT FOR THE NEW ROSTERS GUYS

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

ps: wish i cud contribute but i JUS got finns editor and am not too familiar w/ it as of yet
maybe next time :wink:

**chaoswolf40** · 05-02-2006, 10:41 PM

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thanks alot to all of you who put all this work into these rosters i wasn't aware of all the new things being done with 2k5 and like an idiot i have been playing madden i can't wait to get this new roster when it's finished
thanks again to all who help with this

**thejackal25** · 05-02-2006, 11:39 PM

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I like the changes made to the ratings standards Flipmo. I think your formula will provide ratings that are consistent with the rookies produced in franchise mode and with how the rook players were rated when the game was released, especially w/ the hands ratings cuz when I made a couple WRs with the DA standard they weren't catching anything in the game. I wasn't completely on board with using the Draft Analyzer as a standard because of this, but your modifications have sold me on it. This will definitely become the best 2k roster to date.

**mjortman** · 05-03-2006, 12:18 AM

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Flipmo - can you let us know how you added your rookies, so we can all be consistent? Are you just modifying the stats for the ones that are in the base roster? What about rook's not found in the roster? Are you creating new players, or editing existing ones?

Thanks, and look forward to all of us getting this done. Really looking forward to firing up 2k7 again...er....2k5, i mean

**Flipmo23** · 05-03-2006, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by mjortman

Flipmo - can you let us know how you added your rookies, so we can all be consistent? Are you just modifying the stats for the ones that are in the base roster? What about rook's not found in the roster? Are you creating new players, or editing existing ones?

Thanks, and look forward to all of us getting this done. Really looking forward to firing up 2k7 again...er....2k5, i mean

Read the thread, it is all outlined. We're all going by the process outlined above.

The NFC EAST is now done. Flyboy is next in line, he's got the NFC SOUTH. Rickster and I will be monitoring everything, making sure that the rookie caps are being created according to recipe and that the depth charts are as exact as possible. This WILL be the roster that OS will be known for.

**mjortman** · 05-03-2006, 06:30 AM

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Originally posted by Flipmo23

Read the thread, it is all outlined. We're all going by the process outlined above.

The NFC EAST is now done. Flyboy is next in line, he's got the NFC SOUTH. Rickster and I will be monitoring everything, making sure that the rookie caps are being created according to recipe and that the depth charts are as exact as possible. This WILL be the roster that OS will be known for.

I wasn't talking about how the rookies are modified in regards to stats, but rather in Finn's editor, for the rookies not found in the base roster. I don't see anywhere where it talks about if you created these players from scratch or just modified players way down the depth chart. The main reason I ask is because I have never found an "Add Player" feature in Finn's, and I just wonder if I'm missing something.

**Rickster101** · 05-03-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by mjortman

I wasn't talking about how the rookies are modified in regards to stats, but rather in Finn's editor, for the rookies not found in the base roster. I don't see anywhere where it talks about if you created these players from scratch or just modified players way down the depth chart. The main reason I ask is because I have never found an "Add Player" feature in Finn's, and I just wonder if I'm missing something.

Lets see if I can explain here abit, the editor is not a product of anything from MS but rather a shareware tool/program created soley by Finn he's into doing these type of programs for guys like us who edit and create roster programs using it via editing and other addtions/changes the editor allow us access to as in "Hidden" ratings not seen in the in-game program changes ranging from uniforms to all access to ratings not seen in the in game screens...the editor give us access to those certain items seen only via the editor and allows you to change them.

The game itself already has "Stock" file programs that randomly generate rookies this is how you get them in the Franchise it has nothing to do with Finns editor and I believe the in-game stock rookie files holds something like 300 to 350 something rookies in it...the Franchise...other then editing them in the Franchise mode which is a totally different thing altogether you won't see thm but you're in luck because such a roster does exsit and its a "Franchise" roster done by Dan77733 see the roster threads for his file.

What you see in Finns editor are the games (ESPN NFL 2K5) "True" rookie generate class pools, those are not our creation we have nothing to do with any changes that happen there as you view them via Finns editor...they're part of the game (ESPN NFL 2K5) itself our rookies used for 2K7 are as acurrate as possible representations of how we've calculated them and rate accordinly base on our research and dealing with the game and it idiosyncratic behavior we've manage to keep it going fairly strong among ourselves here with great success...not perfect but some of us are still paying 2K Football from 2K4 and up with what we're doing with it.

Our creations we've included in the exhibition portion of the game and also by editing retired or players no longer in the league or game itself so we basically edited, update and reprogram/re-tool the game from the rosters portion of the game nothing radical other then a little editing here and there officer and we're all pretty much "OS" board certified so I guess you can call us the keepers of teh Flame or whatever we're just good at doin' what we do and it is what it is...yeah we're that good is that so bad...you won't tell on us will you? j/k

There is no Add in feature to this game or editor in that sense what rookies you see in the game are creations to update them to NFL players represented for this season starting from the retired players,FA pick ups blah blah blah and signing ect ect we've followed the NFL updates trades tranactions and moves fairly close ( thanx everyone who contributed there) and have been able to re-tool the rosters to a more current update via Finns editor and our collective efforts to keep the roster files updated for sometime now.

Call us crazy but we're that good really and we still play this game!!!

P.S. If you have a Franchise file you will ba able to see and edit those rookie in it but it must be a Franchise File and Dan777333 is one such file but read his thread first about how to use it see him for details and good luck heh heh heh!!!

Holla Back ya'll

Rickster101

**mjortman** · 05-03-2006, 10:01 AM

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Thanks for the info Rickster, but I'm still a little confused. I understand what Finn's is, and what it's for. When you say "What you see in Finns editor are the games (ESPN NFL 2K5) "True" rookie generate class pools, those are not our creation we have nothing to do with any changes that happen there as you view them via Finns editor...they're part of the game (ESPN NFL 2K5) itself" - what rookie generated class pool? Roster files don't have "Draft Class" like franchise files, they just have the Free Agent pool.

I guess as a real-world example, since I have the AFC South, Spencer Toone was drafted by Tennessee. According to the depth chart at Ourlads, he's on the 3rd team, and according to the rules created here, we're doing up to 4th team for linebackers. Toone doesn't exist in the "base" roster file right now (most others for Tennessee are there, but he isn't). So...how do you decide who to edit to "make" him be Toone? Just find someone who is retired in the free agent pool? Then how do you assign them to the Titans?

Also, I didn't realize it until you mentioned this, but this is just for quick games? No franchise? Is there any way to export a roster file to use in a franchise file? I already have Dan's franchise file, with the 2007 schedule in it already (awesome), and a number of rookies. So is there a way, once this roster file is complete, to "meld" it with that franchise file? Or would I have to reproduce all of the rookies in that file again by myself?

I really only play franchise, so quick game doesn't have that much meaning to me. Thanks in advance.

**Flipmo23** · 05-03-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by mjortman

I guess as a real-world example, since I have the AFC South, Spencer Toone was drafted by Tennessee. According to the depth chart at Ourlads, he's on the 3rd team, and according to the rules created here, we're doing up to 4th team for linebackers. Toone doesn't exist in the "base" roster file right now (most others for Tennessee are there, but he isn't). So...how do you decide who to edit to "make" him be Toone? Just find someone who is retired in the free agent pool? Then how do you assign them to the Titans?

Ok, I'll explain.

Toone is 3rd string, so he definitely would be included in this roster. Basically, the first thing you want to do with the Titans would be to check the entire roster for any players on that team that are either retired or not in the league anymore. If any of those players are not in the league, keep them on the team and edit them into rookies. If not, then go to the Free Agents list and have the Titans pick up a low rated, non-impact player (say, a 40 rated QB, or a 40 rated C, guys that won't play this year). Use that new acquired player and edit him into Toone.

Of course, you need to be careful not to edit players that ARE going to play this year, so you kind of have to do your HW a little bit. If you are going to assign a F/A to a team to edit them into a rookie, make sure that the F/A hasn't been picked up by a team in real life.

With that said, when it's your time to edit your division, I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to help you out and walk you through the first team or two, to make sure you know what you're doing. I'm really happy that you're asking questions, it only serves to make sure this roster will be the definitive post-draft roster out there.

Originally posted by mjortman

Also, I didn't realize it until you mentioned this, but this is just for quick games? No franchise? Is there any way to export a roster file to use in a franchise file? I already have Dan's franchise file, with the 2007 schedule in it already (awesome), and a number of rookies. So is there a way, once this roster file is complete, to "meld" it with that franchise file? Or would I have to reproduce all of the rookies in that file again by myself?

I really only play franchise, so quick game doesn't have that much meaning to me. Thanks in advance.

Well, when you start a franchise, the game uses the last loaded roster. So this is a ROSTER file that you will be able to use in both Quick Games AND Franchises, just make sure you load the roster before you start the franchise, and then save. There you go, a franchise with all the rookies. I'm doing the same, so I just wanted to clarify that.

EDIT - I just looked at the Titans depth chart @ www.ourlads.com and Toone shouldn't even be included in the roster, he is the 6th OLB. He's got Thornton/Bulluck/Newberry/Spencer/Nande playing in front of him. Think about it, in the game, the OLBs are put together, if you went as far as including 7th rounder Toone, he would have 6 OLBs playing in front of him. He would never play.

Looking at the entire roster, I'd say all the rookies the Titans drafted should be included except Toone, Orr, and Ganther.

Also, in the file we have, McNair was a F/A for some reason. Just make sure you put him back on the Titans.

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