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So first my initial question:

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Is adding a true finish the fight system being looked into? Based purely on observation of UFC 3,4, and 5......I believe the main problem right now with adding a true finish the fight system is having the KOed body lined up correctly for a "paired" finish the fight animation.

What I mean is, right now finish the fight relies on the KOed fighter to snap into an animation with the attacker, so they can enter a sequence that essentially works like regular ground and pound sequences. I've noticed this system comes with a few problems. First, if the KOed fighter falls in an awkward position that is not close to one of these "paired" finish the fight animations, the game does not allow finish the fight at all. The second issue is, when the game DOES allow finish the fight the sudden "snap" from ragdoll into finish the fight sequence can look jarring.

So what I mean by "true finish the fight" is a physics based system. Basically the KOed fighter remains in their physics based "ragdoll" position no matter how awkward, WHILE the attacker targets the head of the ragdoll with his strikes. This will undoubtedly cause some janky scenarios as do all physics based systems, however I believe the pay off would be MASSIVE in giving finishes a much more authentic and dynamic feel.

If you have any questions on what I'm trying to ask, please let me know.

The response from the developer:

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What you are saying makes total sense and you hit the nail right on the head regarding how difficult it is.

Is having a true FTF system in the future possible? Probably, I've been in the industry for 20 years and we are doing things today that were impossible when I started out. Who knows what we might come up with to solve challenges like this.

Do I know how we could do it right now? Nope, if I did we probably would have done it.

TOS

Another Developer wanted to give his input on the matter as well:

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Wanted to chime in on the finish the fight stuff, as this has been a long battle over the years. The crux of the problem right now is that this is a trade-off.

The more we lean towards FTF, the less we have authentic and interesting ragdolls. KOs get repetitive. The more ragdolls we have, the less FTF there is. The FTF was 'taken out' at various points in time when the community strongly requested more ragdoll content and we upgraded the tech and diversity of possible KO scenarios. It's a back and forth that I truly hope one day to be resolved in the majority of player's opinions, but it is not this day :'(

So this is my response as someone who has played UFC Undisputed 3 which had this figured out in 2012:

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Look I know I am out of my element here in terms of knowing details/limitations of your current game mechanics as I've obviously never been in the trenches with the engine/developer tools, and I doubt I'm going to say anything you guys haven't thought of.........but I have to try. My entire existence on these forums has essentially been dedicated to this issue.

Due to my lack of knowledge and experience, I can only really pull from examples I have seen in previous MMA games. In my opinion, the game that got the closest to perfection so far with a FTF system is UFC Undisputed 3.

Now, I am talking specifically just the FTF portion. EA UFC 2 blew Undisputed 3 out of the water in terms of KO physics. BUT, the interesting thing about Undisputed 3 knockouts were that they actually did turn into ragdolls AFTER they hit the canvas. So here we have an example of a Finish the Fight system working with ragdoll physics.

As far as I can tell, the way it works in Undisputed 3 is after the defeated fighter turns into a ragdoll, the attacking fighter enters a finish the fight animation based on the position of the ragdoll. But ONLY the attacker is picking the best animation for the job, the ragdoll fighter isn't touched and only reacts via physics.

Now, this did in fact result in some funny situations sometimes, mostly when the cage was involved. I specifically remember a time when the KOed fighter fell on his stomach, but when he entered ragdoll mode he turned more on his side after colliding with the cage. My fighter chose to enter a back mount finish the fight animation, but due to the opponent now being more on his side than laying flat...most of my strikes in FTF straight up missed the opponent entirely.

HOWEVER, even with these wonky moments here and there, it is still by far the most authentic looking Finish the Fight system in my opinion. Now I know we are dealing with two entirely different games coded in entirely different ways. All I am suggesting is, if the time comes where you can get some engineers in there to try and create a new game system for Finish the Fight, I believe that may be a worthwhile inspiration mechanically speaking.

Like I said, this very well may be useless information to you guys, but I have to try lol.

There was no developer response to this. I'm tired boss, I made my account on these forums many years ago just to present my and many others' frustration with finishes in this series of games. Very little is being done, and benefit of the doubts are gone. By the sound of these responses, it sounds like an issue that would have to be addressed between games, and unlikely to be something done in a patch. So my hopes for this being addressed in the EA UFC 6 life cycle is next to non-existent. I just wanted to make it clear where we left off on this 3 years ago, idk if game changers are ever bringing this up or not but yeah. Like I said, I'm tired boss.]]>