Quick Counts .... nope

[Armor and Sword]

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I LOVE QC'S!!!! And I can't wait to see it improved in the future.

However, I don't use it all the time. If I have time to kill, I turn it off. If I'm trying to squeeze a quick game or two in my franchise, I turn it back on. I just love that I have that option.

Exactly!

I am going seamlessly between QC games and full games. It took me a little while to learn how to approach quick count games. Initially I was free swinging a little too much which I rarely do in full games. And it is a little different and actually quite more intense when you play on QC. But stat's wise it is a sim dream. Love how my K's and BB's look on QC's.

Both are great options and I love the fact we have it now. It will only get better.

I agree with ND. 0-1, 1-0 counts are a must going forward for those who want the full random count approach. Just make them rare and 3-0 counts rare as well.

My favorite count's are of course 1-1 and 2-1 counts as a hitter

0-2, 1-2 as a pitcher.

But I love that feeling of accomplishment when I get saddled with a 3-0 or 3-1 count as a pitcher and fight back to get an out or a key K. Or when I am hitting and face an 0-2 or 1-2 with a key player, key situation and come through. I have even drawn some walks coming back down 0-2.

[tessl]

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G'day peeps!

Many of us don't have time to play several games a day ..... or even one full length game. Quick counts come into play and it's a god send ... or is it?

I didn't think I would like quick counts, but after giving it a go I sorta fell in love with it. I could play several games a day and get decent results doing so. It didn't seem to take much away from the game and I thought I was having just as much fun using QC as I would with a normal game ..... that is until I turned quick counts off for a game 3 days ago.

I turned quick counts off for a change of pace and now I can never go back. I'm able to take the first pitch, work the pitch count, bunt, steal, take my time and enjoy the game for what it is - the best sports sim ever made.

I've come to the conclusion that this game needs to be played as if you are in the game. It just doesn't feel right (for me) when I rush it just to get a game in. Taking my time to enjoy the atmosphere, the cut scenes, the overall feel of the game is unmatched by any other game on the market and I highly doubt any studio will ever come close to The Show.

I'm not bashing Quick Counts. I think QC's work great for people that want to play more games per day or want to finally complete a season and I applaud SD for implementing the feature into the game ..... it just isn't for me.

Not really trying to make a point or certainly not trying to start a flame war, but I'm just curious if others have fell in love with Quick Counts only to fall out of love with them just as fast?

Cheers

I agree. I understand why some people use it but not for me.

[chudy22]

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please i wd like to know which sliders you would recommend for franchise using qc and playing every first match in the series, rest sim. and also to help choosing a team, im from Europe so not that familiar with baseball. I want a competitive team, and have good options for trading and to have some good prospects to develop. Also not understand well how to work with the bullpen, what kind of players to get there. Thanx for any suggestions, as for the team division is not important looking for fun and long franchise. thanx

[Heroesandvillains]

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Does anyone else feel like Overall Pitcher Confidence isn't penalized enough for giving up hits/walks/HR's when pitching?

I'm almost done with my first season (I have like 15 games left and have playe all the games using QC's) and have never pitched below AS or above HOF (which was brief. I'd say 120+ of all my games have been on Default AS or AS with CPU hitting sliders increased). I'm noticing an awful trend of my starting pitchers getting out of jams too easily, pitching too many quality starts, and pitching to too low of an ERA.

Whereas my bullpen has been pleasantly hot and cold. Even though my boxscores are nice and varied as a whole, almost all of my games are pretty tame until my starter gets pulled.

Like all of my starters are the same pitcher. The same very good pitcher.

None of my starters have an ERA over 3.80. Most are far lower. They all have very similar stat lines too which is odd. Of course there's some variance but it's the worst I've ever seen it in this series, to be honest.

My bullpen, however, has stat lines all over the place. Some in the 2.00's, some near or above 7.00. It's awesome. My team ERA is 3.82, by the way. I'd estimate starters = 3.30 and relievers = 4.10 but I'd have to add it up to be certain.

In looking at why this is happening, I'm noticing that even when I get roughed up my starters seem to maintain their Overall Confidence pretty well. My relievers however are much more tumultuous and only with them do I ever see it almost zero out (which is exhilarating!).

We know that Confidence is a modifier of the Control rating. And we also know that most relievers have worse control to their starting counterparts.

I'm wondering if perhaps QC's could use some fine tuning in this area? Or perhaps I'm off base and attributing what I'm seeing to the wrong thing?

I have plenty of stats I could share if need be.

Is anyone else seeing this and if so or not, what do you think?

[Ghost Of The Year]

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I'm glad QC is an option. I still play more games with it OFF than I do with it ON, but the more options the better, the same way I'm glad I can turn DH on or off, the same way I'm glad I can choose between Pulse pitching and Meter pitching, the same way I can... well, you get the idea.

[HadlerT]

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I kind of switch it up. In past franchises, I'll use QC when I don't like the SP I'm using, and then regular is I'm using a pitcher I do like.

[Greencollarbaseball]

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Does anyone else feel like Overall Pitcher Confidence isn't penalized enough for giving up hits/walks/HR's when pitching?

I'm almost done with my first season (I have like 15 games left and have playe all the games using QC's) and have never pitched below AS or above HOF (which was brief. I'd say 120+ of all my games have been on Default AS or AS with CPU hitting sliders increased). I'm noticing an awful trend of my starting pitchers getting out of jams too easily, pitching too many quality starts, and pitching to too low of an ERA.

Whereas my bullpen has been pleasantly hot and cold. Even though my boxscores are nice and varied as a whole, almost all of my games are pretty tame until my starter gets pulled.

Like all of my starters are the same pitcher. The same very good pitcher.

None of my starters have an ERA over 3.80. Most are far lower. They all have very similar stat lines too which is odd. Of course there's some variance but it's the worst I've ever seen it in this series, to be honest.

My bullpen, however, has stat lines all over the place. Some in the 2.00's, some near or above 7.00. It's awesome. My team ERA is 3.82, by the way. I'd estimate starters = 3.30 and relievers = 4.10 but I'd have to add it up to be certain.

In looking at why this is happening, I'm noticing that even when I get roughed up my starters seem to maintain their Overall Confidence pretty well. My relievers however are much more tumultuous and only with them do I ever see it almost zero out (which is exhilarating!).

We know that Confidence is a modifier of the Control rating. And we also know that most relievers have worse control to their starting counterparts.

I'm wondering if perhaps QC's could use some fine tuning in this area? Or perhaps I'm off base and attributing what I'm seeing to the wrong thing?

I have plenty of stats I could share if need be.

Is anyone else seeing this and if so or not, what do you think?

My starter era is pretty varied. I have AJ Griffen with a sub 2 and Jarrod Parker with a 4.5+, with everyone else somewhere in between. My bullpen is also pretty varied. I use DD for pitching (currently AS+) and QC combined with classic pitching. My sliders are HUM control and consistency at 3.

[reyes the roof]

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I'm on the fence with the QCs. I have no plate discipline at all, so it's nice that I can turn them on and not have the opposing pitcher at 36 pitches, and 32 that were strikes after 5 innings. Some changes I'd like to see are occasionally having an out or hit simulated on the first pitch, and the option to turn them on or off mid game. That way if you only want to use them while you bat or only while you pitch, you can do that

[KBLover]

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I don't like using QC. I have tried it - but I feel if I'm pressed for time, that's what the beauty of in-game saves is for.

I was able to play into year 3 with my Rays last season and that's with me getting the game late.

So with in-game saves and X button skipping when I want, I never feel like I want to speed up the game any. Plus, I lose the nuances of seeing pitchers gradually falter, etc. It's just "okay, it's 3-1, go for it". Feels more like those practice sessions in RTTS with the "made up" scenarios. It does take away from the immersion for me. Same feeling as a hitter. I want 3-1 because I have a good eye, not a lucky "starting count roll". And if I'm not using a good eye or the other pitcher is just on, I don't want the "starting count roll" to bail me out by giving me an advantage in the PA that I probably would not have or would have to work for.

Just seems like time saving is the big draw, just not a big enough reason for me to use it when I can save in-game. I've played parts of games throughout the day and next thing I know, I've finished a series. I hear about the stats looking good, but if my sliders are right, I'll get that too.

[Scrapps]

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I'm truly torn. While I love the sim stats QC's provides, I may just be too much of a free swinger, to commit to it. When I play full games, I rarely walk anyone. With QC's, walk and SO #'s are very realistic, which I love. However, in my last few games, it seems that half my batters come to the plate, with two strikes. Therefore, I tend to swing at anything close, which is hurting my offensive numbers, and frustrating the living turd out of me. Two strike counts, plus no name relievers that work the corners like Maddux, are driving me batty. Sometimes, I love QC's. Others, I despise it. Ugh, I feel menstrual.

[KingV2k3]

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Does anyone else feel like Overall Pitcher Confidence isn't penalized enough for giving up hits/walks/HR's when pitching?

I'm almost done with my first season (I have like 15 games left and have playe all the games using QC's) and have never pitched below AS or above HOF (which was brief. I'd say 120+ of all my games have been on Default AS or AS with CPU hitting sliders increased). I'm noticing an awful trend of my starting pitchers getting out of jams too easily, pitching too many quality starts, and pitching to too low of an ERA.

Whereas my bullpen has been pleasantly hot and cold. Even though my boxscores are nice and varied as a whole, almost all of my games are pretty tame until my starter gets pulled.

Like all of my starters are the same pitcher. The same very good pitcher.

None of my starters have an ERA over 3.80. Most are far lower. They all have very similar stat lines too which is odd. Of course there's some variance but it's the worst I've ever seen it in this series, to be honest.

My bullpen, however, has stat lines all over the place. Some in the 2.00's, some near or above 7.00. It's awesome. My team ERA is 3.82, by the way. I'd estimate starters = 3.30 and relievers = 4.10 but I'd have to add it up to be certain.

In looking at why this is happening, I'm noticing that even when I get roughed up my starters seem to maintain their Overall Confidence pretty well. My relievers however are much more tumultuous and only with them do I ever see it almost zero out (which is exhilarating!).

We know that Confidence is a modifier of the Control rating. And we also know that most relievers have worse control to their starting counterparts.

I'm wondering if perhaps QC's could use some fine tuning in this area? Or perhaps I'm off base and attributing what I'm seeing to the wrong thing?

I have plenty of stats I could share if need be.

Is anyone else seeing this and if so or not, what do you think?

I've been thinking about this for a few days and I tend to agree that you may be on to something...

A couple / few years back, I'm pretty sure the consensus around here was that the "loss of confidence" was overdone...

If I recall correctly, a home run followed by a walk (or vice versa) pretty much rendered any starter incapable of locating anywhere near the zone...

As with most titles, this may have been a simple case of "over correcting" to the above...

I too, feel like all my starters (in simmed or played games) are pretty much the same "very good pitcher" quite often...

I also notice that when starters were placed in long or middle relief, they were more consistent than their designated "relief pitcher" teammates...

Lastly, the "stat range" for my starters (once again in simmed or played games) is much smaller than the wide variety of stat lines my relievers and closers have...

Lastly, I'm also wondering if "clutch" or even stamina has anything to do with it...

Anyway, it might just be relatively isolated to SOME folks experiences, based on the other responses, but it is interesting nonetheless!

[KBLover]

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A couple / few years back, I'm pretty sure the consensus around here was that the "loss of confidence" was overdone...

If I recall correctly, a home run followed by a walk (or vice versa) pretty much rendered any starter incapable of locating anywhere near the zone...

As with most titles, this may have been a simple case of "over correcting" to the above...

Maybe it's because I'm not using QC but I don't see any significant differences between this year and last in this area.

Had a game last night where one bad inning put his confidence down to like 1/4. He couldn't do anything with any reliability.

Jared Fernandez also struggled for me. Couldn't even get K's - or even swings and misses. Then once his confidence dropped after some hits and a 2-run HR...yeah.

I believe the clutch rating impacts how well pitchers pitch with runners on base (or maybe just in scoring position), so I do think that's an impact.

[Heroesandvillains]

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I've been thinking about this for a few days and I tend to agree that you may be on to something...

A couple / few years back, I'm pretty sure the consensus around here was that the "loss of confidence" was overdone...

If I recall correctly, a home run followed by a walk (or vice versa) pretty much rendered any starter incapable of locating anywhere near the zone...

As with most titles, this may have been a simple case of "over correcting" to the above...

I too, feel like all my starters (in simmed or played games) are pretty much the same "very good pitcher" quite often...

I also notice that when starters were placed in long or middle relief, they were more consistent than their designated "relief pitcher" teammates...

Lastly, the "stat range" for my starters (once again in simmed or played games) is much smaller than the wide variety of stat lines my relievers and closers have...

Lastly, I'm also wondering if "clutch" or even stamina has anything to do with it...

Anyway, it might just be relatively isolated to SOME folks experiences, based on the other responses, but it is interesting nonetheless!

Thanks for the feedback.

Overall Confidence progression/regression is a tough thing to measure or quantify. This is why I asked for other's opinions and I appreciate you giving it some thought.

My starting rotation is rated pretty high, for starters. And their ratings are, to be fair, pretty "similar" across the board (Sabathia/Pineda/Tanaka/Kuroda/Nova). That said, I notice how when my starter give up a hit or two and a walk their Overall Confidence doesn't really move all that much, ESPECIALLY compared to relievers, who's Overall Confidence can get absolutely steamrolled rather quickly.

I wonder which rating effects Overall Confidence?

Since my post, I've hammered out some new slider adjustments and after 15-20 more games, I'm finally seeing more variation in my starting pitcher's outings. This includes seeing the confidence bar drop further than I'd seen it all year before I changed any sliders at all.

Here's an example: I gave up a couple hits and a walk with Kuroda a game or two back. His confidence was around the "normal" range going in but just like that, at the snap of a finger, the Overall Confidence bar was down well below 50%. Once that low, I simply could not recover.

Hit after hit after walk after hit.

The CPU put up 6 runs in the inning before I could even get somebody warm, an I never remember that happening to a starter on Default AS. It happened THAT fast and it felt great and I believe confidence played a big role.

A role I'd like to see more on Default without sliders though I guess that is why they're there.

So although I feel like I've proven to myself that I can get the variation with my starters I want with sliders (mainly upping CPU Solid hits and dropping Human Consistency), my opinion on what was happening to the confidence bar on Default has not changed.

It seems different this year but I can't quite place my finger on why just yet.

[KBLover]

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Here's an example: I gave up a couple hits and a walk with Kuroda a game or two back. His confidence was around the "normal" range going in but just like that, at the snap of a finger, the Overall Confidence bar was down well below 50%. Once that low, I simply could not recover.

Hit after hit after walk after hit.

The CPU put up 6 runs in the inning before I could even get somebody warm, an I never remember that happening to a starter on Default AS. It happened THAT fast and it felt great and I believe confidence played a big role.

I would agree that confidence absolutely had a hand in that. It really can make things snowball quickly.

Pitcher confidence falls, individual pitch confidence falls, causing the pitcher to struggle, which can cause overall and that pitch's confidence to fall...and so on.

So although I feel like I've proven to myself that I can get the variation with my starters I want with sliders (mainly upping CPU Solid hits and dropping Human Consistency), my opinion on what was happening to the confidence bar on Default has not changed.

It seems different this year but I can't quite place my finger on why just yet.

Lowering consistency seems to impact confidence changes, or at least it did last year. I would suspect that it does here as well.

In fact, I was going to ask if you lowered Human Consistency when I read what happened to Kuroda, then I read on to see you did.

With Confidence on 4 on HoF - It's almost like walking on eggshells (or maybe a minefield). Maybe too much so for my liking (I like the challenge of trying to halt the momentum/stop the bleeding, but it can get ridiculous as well). I think I'll go back to 6 on HoF, I liked it there.

[NDAlum]

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I moved to 6 today and my first game felt great! HOF classic pitching.

I walked 3 in the game I believe. Maybe 4.

Still I didn't have nearly as many balls fly way off target. I gave up 3 runs and 8 hits


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