MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

[fanofbaseball]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

I'm really not understanding what people are seeing. If you're struggling, your sliders need to be adjusted. The game SHOULD force you to go into hot and cold streaks. Some days I play the game without enough care and ends in my starter getting shelled and my hitters missing everything. Other days I can get 8+ Ks and score 5+ runs. There's going to be ups and downs, and if you can't handle that, you're not playing the right game.

If you're not seeing these ups and downs, then it's simply your difficulty/sliders that need adjusting. If there are people (like myself) not experiencing your issues with lack of variety, then it can't be a game issue.

Just telling it like it is.

I'm not struggling, my stats are good. My hitting complaints are solely centered on the in game hitting physics and the resulting experience, which has degraded considerably with the patches. I agree with previous sentiments that the hitting physics far more resemble 2016 than the marketed and experienced physics of the initial release.

I completely disagree that the game should force hot and cold streaks. Streaks should occur naturally and there is more than enough variability in the game to produce natural streaks.

Once streaks are forced you transition from a game to theater. I want a sim experience, but I have no interest in giving up an hour to engage in theater. If/When I want theater, I watch real baseball.

As disgruntled as I am with the state of the hitting, I would be shocked to discover they actually force streaks. Even simming franchise games should produce natural streaks without any intent to do so.

Edit: And you are not telling it like it is. You are telling it how you perceive it. I can come up with numerous reasons that you don't experience the issues others have, which have nothing to do with sliders. Hitting interface, skill level, consistency, game modes, teams used/pitchers faced, etc.

Another Edit: I'm playing on AS with default sliders. Primary modes are Play Now Daily Rosters, Franchise, and DD Conquest and Play CPU.

Additional Edit: The post to which I responded represents what I have come to identify as a "shutdown post". A "shutdown post" is a post that doesn't contribute (provide or elicit information) to the topic of discussion. Rather it is intended to subvert a discussion an individual doesn't agree with. Shutdown posts have become too frequent, given too much tolerance, and are undermining this site. While my current handle indicates I'm a newcomer, I've been lurking and contributing to OS under various handles since, at least, 2004. Shutdown posts are toxic to the community and moderator intervention is needed to stop this behavior, which equates to disguised trolling.

[Speedy]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

I have recently switched to Legend hitting, with Contact on 10 and Power on 5. Timing and Foul Frequency are both at 1. I did this so I could start seeing realistic strikeout numbers, and I have been. Using Pure Analog hitting, I have to use a contact swing all the time just to foul one off or put the ball in play with two strikes. So far, I have not been able to put a solid offensive performance together on Legend, even with contact on 10. I have hit a couple home runs though.

No way am I touching legend, my friend. Not after my difficulty with AS level.

[rh123]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

I'm really not understanding what people are seeing. If you're struggling, your sliders need to be adjusted. The game SHOULD force you to go into hot and cold streaks. Some days I play the game without enough care and ends in my starter getting shelled and my hitters missing everything. Other days I can get 8+ Ks and score 5+ runs. There's going to be ups and downs, and if you can't handle that, you're not playing the right game.

If you're not seeing these ups and downs, then it's simply your difficulty/sliders that need adjusting. If there are people (like myself) not experiencing your issues with lack of variety, then it can't be a game issue.

Just telling it like it is.

What is your suggestion as far as tweaking when the only difference is the patch? Pre patch I was using Armor and Swords sliders, hitting on veteran with power at 4 and solid hits at 2. I was seeing all kinds different hit types, HRs when I squared up a pitch and they were going appropriate distances. Rolling over to second when I chased a pitch outside with my star LH hitting prospect. Hot streaks and cold streaks for players (Ronald Acuna hit about .190 for the first month of the season and flipped a switch).

Now with the new patch and the same sliders its basically a cold streak for every player 100% of the time. Tons of pop ups, when I know for damn sure Im swinging early to try and pull a ball its going oppo, no shots into the gap, just high fly balls to the OFer's when I square something up.

I am going to try and combat this by upping the solid hits and maybe the power, but I am afraid that will take away bloop hits. If they in fact tuned down the ball physics then they need to un do what they did. Right now the game feels exactly like 16.

[dougdfc]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

The only problem I have is that I can no longer tell the difference between a fastball and a changeup.

[Baseball Purist]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

Hitting has definitely taking a turn for the worst since the latest patch. All of the great hit variety and ball physics was much more evident before the last patch. Hitting has gone back to singles up the middle,homeruns, and now too few XBH.

The show has always struggled replicating guys who hit for average, but don't have a lot of power. Pre patch, this was the first time I thought this wasn't the case. I was hitting balls down the line, opposite field bloopers, and splitting the gaps thanks to the physics. Now guys that don't have greater than 60 power, are back to hitting weak pop ups and hard ground outs.

Too much has been done to the hitting. All they needed to do was tone down the home run power and exit velocity, but it seems that was tied to ball physics, which is now virtually non existent.

I think the most telling factor was the change to that buckshot pci indicator post swing analysis. IMO No way after almost a decade of the standard swing analysis indicator, the buckshot indicator is now the most accurate analysis of your swing??Something about that seems off to me, and coincidentally the indicator is now much smaller than what the normal indicator had been pre patch.

[rh123]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

Where are the Devs to tell us what they patched and what went wrong with it and how they plan to fix it? I havent seen a post from them since this patch dropped.

[Speedy]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

The only problem I have is that I can no longer tell the difference between a fastball and a changeup.

I don't believe that was affected by the patch.

I've learned a need to start expecting a certain pitch in certain situations and it's greatly boosted my pitch recognition.

Hitting it on the other hand - that's a different story.

[eric7064]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

I think the most telling factor was the change to that buckshot pci indicator post swing analysis. IMO No way after almost a decade of the standard swing analysis indicator, the buckshot indicator is now the most accurate analysis of your swing??Something about that seems off to me, and coincidentally the indicator is now much smaller than what the normal indicator had been pre patch.

I do think it is the best analysis. Maybe not the best visual appeal for some, but the green, yellow, red colors is simply perfect, late, very late etc..so the color part of it really isnt needed. The buckshot has the spread, so you can really see why the contact may have been weak, or blooped etc.

[fanofbaseball]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

Hitting has definitely taking a turn for the worst since the latest patch. All of the great hit variety and ball physics was much more evident before the last patch. Hitting has gone back to singles up the middle,homeruns, and now too few XBH.

The show has always struggled replicating guys who hit for average, but don't have a lot of power. Pre patch, this was the first time I thought this wasn't the case. I was hitting balls down the line, opposite field bloopers, and splitting the gaps thanks to the physics. Now guys that don't have greater than 60 power, are back to hitting weak pop ups and hard ground outs.

Too much has been done to the hitting. All they needed to do was tone down the home run power and exit velocity, but it seems that was tied to ball physics, which is now virtually non existent.

I think the most telling factor was the change to that buckshot pci indicator post swing analysis. IMO No way after almost a decade of the standard swing analysis indicator, the buckshot indicator is now the most accurate analysis of your swing??Something about that seems off to me, and coincidentally the indicator is now much smaller than what the normal indicator had been pre patch.

I completely agree with your analysis relating to players that lack power, I've had the exact same experience.

The initial release needed tweaking, but they went overboard. The most prominent problem with the initial release was the number of pitches that the CPU left up and over the plate, which was the primary cause of the too many HR's issue. They've certainly addressed this problem (CPU pitching is now better than it has ever been), unfortunately they introduced a host of additional changes that have negatively impacted the hitting experience. I would pay another $60 to have the initial release with just the pitching logic patched.

[fanofbaseball]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

I don't believe that was affected by the patch.

I've learned a need to start expecting a certain pitch in certain situations and it's greatly boosted my pitch recognition.

Hitting it on the other hand - that's a different story.

You might be correct that it wasn't affected by the patch, but, other than SDS explicitly saying it wasn't affected, there is no way to know for sure. The patches have most certainly introduced changes to hitting that weren't documented in the release notes. Every patch has produced a completely new experience.

[fanofbaseball]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

I do think it is the best analysis. Maybe not the best visual appeal for some, but the green, yellow, red colors is simply perfect, late, very late etc..so the color part of it really isnt needed. The buckshot has the spread, so you can really see why the contact may have been weak, or blooped etc.

Initially, I thought the buckshot feedback was a significant improvement. The more I've played, I've come to view it as no different than the previous feedback. Most HR's occur when the ball is above and outside the buckshot, but, with a few exceptions, routine popups always occur when the ball is within the upper half of the buckshot. So, it's better to miss by a large margin than a small margin? It doesn't make sense.

[mlblover15]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

as for hitting it seemed much harder than last year. As I was playing on Rookie last year and just laying to waste teams. This year not so much... pitching is easier on the meter than any year on default sliders that is once you pick up on the system in place so to speak.

I have always struggled with hitting in this series. Once I gave up using GP that is. I have recently started doing what someone a long time ago suggested and started staring at the pitcher's waist area before and through the pitch... it seems to work "most of the time" for me now.

It is making it easier for me to lay off pitches outside the zone other than two strike pitches. then all bets are off.

I am now on Vet/Vet and feeling good about things I do think they have "nerfed" timing hitting in favor of using directional this year. it seems to me like they are trying to get everyone off of it and onto zone for whatever reason.

that is just me though.

[RockPowderDownLoL]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

they definitely did something to affect the hitting as it is much harder now...i just updated my game two days ago. they might not have done it intentionally but I have no doubts whether russel says so or not. i rarely trust what he says because he doesn't actually make the game. i've noticed things about the hitting in this game before the developers have bothered to say anything about it, particularly about zone plus analog with the stride.

[rh123]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

they definitely did something to affect the hitting as it is much harder now...i just updated my game two days ago. they might not have done it intentionally but I have no doubts whether russel says so or not. i rarely trust what he says because he doesn't actually make the game. i've noticed things about the hitting in this game before the developers have bothered to say anything about it, particularly about zone plus analog with the stride.

I have confirmed we are back to last years ball physics. No clue why they would do that.

[hyacinth1]

Re: MLB The Show 17 & My Issues @ Hitting...Help!

I got to agree with most that something with hitting has changed.

I always had difficultly hitting in this series but this year out of the box I thought it was perfect. I actually thought it was fair for people who have difficulty hitting like I do and it was a fair and balanced across all the hitting modes.

But now it's just not fun. I think they made it too hard for the casual player like me. I'm sure if I am a hardcore player and spend hours and hours on hitting I can probably get it down, but who has that amount of time to do that?

I hope they bring back the hitting when the game was released. It was the most fun I had in a baseball game in a over a decade.

With the last update, hitting has been super frustrating and I'm not having fun with the game anymore.