Too many Double plays?

[AncientDiety]

Re: Too many Double plays?

Entirely too many double plays in the game (turned by the CPU against the user) despite what anyone will say or how they may justify it. The reason is because all fielders are gold glovers. I've seen it hundreds of times... a second baseman fields a ball deep in the hole to his left with a runner on first. While 95% of MLB fielders would take the out at first, in The Show every fielder will wheel and throw a perfect strike to the shortstop covering second who of course turns the double play. This is just one piece of the issue but if SCEA would simply code in making the second baseman taking the more realistic out, double plays would go down significantly.

You may have a point, on allstar and above they make diving and very hard plays way too frequently, even with crappy fielders, prob needs to be tweaked.

[JTommy67]

Re: Too many Double plays?

Keep in mind that if you're comparing your individual team's results with sim engine statistics that the generated stats may be off. I checked this last year and found that the sim engine was not generating enough DPs for the rest of the league, so even though my rates were average compared to real life, in the sim engine I was near the bottom.

Not sure if it's still that way because I haven't checked it, but something to keep in mind.

[HypoLuxa13]

Re: Too many Double plays?

One possible band-aid for some people might be to change your batting camera if you are using zone hitting. This would only apply if you feel like you are hitting too many ground balls in general, not necessarily too many double plays specifically. I mention this just because on some batting cameras I hit way to many lazy fly balls an pop ups. On other batting cameras I hit way too many grounders and choppers. I've been assuming that is has to do with the way I perceive the pitch coming in. That perception causes me to instinctively over-move my PCI down or up, depending on what I perceive. So some pitches that I think are coming in high are actually down the middle, and I get on top of it and hit a grounder. Or pitches I think are coming in down the middle are actually low. Or vice-versa.

But yeah, the constant All-Star fielding of both CPU and user is really one of my only gripes with the gameplay in MLB 17. Not just the double play turns. Also those rockets down the 3rd base line or in the hole on the left side, and the 3B or SS snag it backhand and usually make a perfect back foot or jumping rocket throw to first for the out. Like every player in MLB 17 with a fielding and arm ratings over 50 is PED era Ken Caminiti with the inhuman arm strength and accuracy.

[Herschie]

Re: Too many Double plays?

One possible band-aid for some people might be to change your batting camera if you are using zone hitting. This would only apply if you feel like you are hitting too many ground balls in general, not necessarily too many double plays specifically. I mention this just because on some batting cameras I hit way to many lazy fly balls an pop ups. On other batting cameras I hit way too many grounders and choppers. I've been assuming that is has to do with the way I perceive the pitch coming in. That perception causes me to instinctively over-move my PCI down or up, depending on what I perceive. So some pitches that I think are coming in high are actually down the middle, and I get on top of it and hit a grounder. Or pitches I think are coming in down the middle are actually low. Or vice-versa.

Yep. I would have loved the "strike-zone" camera, but I keep on falling for low changeups and hitting a lot of weak ground balls.

[happyaboutlife]

Re: Too many Double plays?

There always have been too many double plays

I agree , way to many double plays. I have played 6 seasons in RTTS and i hate coming up with less and 2 outs and man on first. seems 1/3 the time I hit a bullet ground ball right at infielder and DP.

[happyaboutlife]

Re: Too many Double plays?

Yep. I would have loved the "strike-zone" camera, but I keep on falling for low changeups and hitting a lot of weak ground balls.

Having played baseball up to A ball for the Dodgers, I find it much harder to read a change up in MLB the show that in real life. Most deadly pitch in the game and yet was clobbered when read right in real life. Most off speeds are for getting batter to chase balls down or away. In MLB the show my pitcher just throws a good fastball and 12 mph slower off speed pitch, deadly combo in game. But they need to make offspeed pitchs easier to pick up.

[Mike Lowe]

Re: Too many Double plays?

The Show's inflated GIDP (and assists) come from too high of a frequency for contact being made per swing.

On total misses (plus Ks) on swings per game, approximately 21% is the modern MLB average which is much higher than what the Show produces.

Sliders will help with this, and if you track against your games, you'll want to ensure you're around that range on average. On default, you'll be closer to 10% or less.

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[RockPowderDownLoL]

Re: Too many Double plays?

if you are using zone you can swing influence up (r2 + up on RS) before each pitch. changes your batter's swing path to upper cut

[nemesis04]

Re: Too many Double plays?

if you are using zone you can swing influence up (r2 + up on RS) before each pitch. changes your batter's swing path to upper cut

There is no swing influence in that capacity in the show anymore. It was taken out.

[bcruise]

Re: Too many Double plays?

if you are using zone you can swing influence up (r2 + up on RS) before each pitch. changes your batter's swing path to upper cut

That control's not in the game anymore and hasn't been for years.

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...&postcount=117

Link is from 2015.

[RockPowderDownLoL]

Re: Too many Double plays?

hitting is mental therefore the placebo is almost as good as the real thing although i am aware of that post i still do it. if i heard it from a programmer i'd be convinced 100% but still think its there and it seems to have an effect on my results! plus when i do it my player does a practise swing.

[bcruise]

Re: Too many Double plays?

hitting is mental therefore the placebo is almost as good as the real thing although i am aware of that post i still do it. if i heard it from a programmer i'd be convinced 100% but still think its there and it seems to have an effect on my results! plus when i do it my player does a practise swing.

Ramone is the source of the quote I posted. Since you specified "programmer" I assume that means you're not going to take his word at face value.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I tried. Do whatever you feel works best for you.

[RockPowderDownLoL]

Re: Too many Double plays?

Ramone is the source of the quote I posted. Since you specified "programmer" I assume that means you're not going to take his word at face value.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I tried. Do whatever you feel works best for you.

No I won't. I've had Ramone quote me and steal my words almost word for word. SDS does a poor job of explaining their hitting mechanics anyway and leaves it up to us for the most part and I have no problem with that!

There is also a tip in the COTW loading screen that recommends you use swing influence to achieve bonuses. I can't see why that would be for directional as that would be stating the obvious.

[djep]

Re: Too many Double plays?

I find the best way to avoid double plays is to not swing at pitches in the lower part of the zone. Look for pitches you can hit in the air.

[HypoLuxa13]

Re: Too many Double plays?

Having played baseball up to A ball for the Dodgers, I find it much harder to read a change up in MLB the show that in real life. Most deadly pitch in the game and yet was clobbered when read right in real life. Most off speeds are for getting batter to chase balls down or away. In MLB the show my pitcher just throws a good fastball and 12 mph slower off speed pitch, deadly combo in game. But they need to make offspeed pitchs easier to pick up.

Agreed, about the change up in The Show, not about clobbering it in real life.

But in MLB The Show, about every change up is Trevor Hoffman level good. And that 10-12 MPH slower difference from a fastball with crazy movement just doesn't seem realistic compared to real life. I think on Pitch Fx, we'd see most guys who throw a change up do it at about 5-7 mph slower.

I SMASH change ups in The Show if they are hangers. But I smash the FOUL every time, almost. If they are low, best I can hope for is a foul tip into the dirt. Hard to recognize, very hard to adjust to even if you are looking for it.