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  • Rod_Carew29
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    • Apr 2004
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    Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

    Some of you all have seen the thread where Knight165, Nenemis04 and others have spent a lot of time to help you all in trying to get the best slider settings that will correctly reflect and somewhat simulate, a pitcher's stamina and durability. some of you know that I too, have done this stuff for quite a long time.

    I'm going to list some tips that I use, and hopefully, this too will help you. Gotta warn you though, some of us like Knight, Nemesis, Jim416MVP, myself and others don't mind doing a lot of slider edit work/research. It is possible, depending on how far you want to take this, that you may invest a ton of hours in your pursuit of trying to reflect that accurate representation.



    DURABILITY:

    For starting pitchers, I go on the fact that in Major League Baseball, it's acknowledged that IF a starting pitcher remains healthy, is NOT pulled from the rotation at any point during the season, 35 starts during the regular season is the limit. Going by this, I base all starting pitchers' game starts in the games against the '35 start rule'.

    So....If you have a guy like the Phillies' Jon Leiber, you see that in 2005, he pitched in 35 games...and ALL of them were game starts. His stamina in my opinion, SHOULD be 100%/maxed out......

    Then you have a guy like the Angels' Ervin Santana. In 2005, he pitched in 23 Major League games. And he started all 23 of them. What I do is DIVIDE 23 into 35. That comes out to: 65%...so....I know in this game you guys go by slider clicks off of the default setting. So 65% is going to be represented somewhere between the default setting and 3/4 towards the max setting.

    For relievers, my GENERAL rule of thumb is that I look at their total game APPEARANCES and use that number to determine where their DURABILITY setting should be.

    The Indians' Bob Howry made 79 game appearances in 2005. I would set his durability to 80 (or approximate that by a certain number of clicks over default). On the other hand, Scott Strickland made only 5 appearances for the Astros in 2005. I'd set his durability to 10 (Although I don't think '10' is the minimal increment).

    I don't compensate for a guy's injuries, time in the minors, etc. I look at things ONLY from what he did while on the Major League roster.


    STAMINA:

    This is a lot less precise, but my GENERAL guideline with starters is the divide their total inings pitched by the total number of game starts. I'll do 4 or 5 guys who you know are really good and who can throw perhaps 3 or 4 complete games in a season. I use this as a frame of reference against the others. Guys who throw complete games and who are bulldogs with their total innings pitched will (and should) have the highest stamina ratings.

    For relievers, it's even potentially more confusing, but here's my GENERAL guidelines that I've been using for over a year.

    GENERALLY speaking (and again, this can take an awwwwwful lot of work)...for NON-long relievers and closers, if their total number of appearances is closely matched by their total innings, (Mariano Rivera; 71 games appeared in...78 innings pitched), I set the STAMINA to 30...no more, no less. My rationale is that if he blows a game in the 9th, there is an EXCELLENT chance that he'll pitch one more inning and he's out of there. I never liked the idea of closers or situational guys with stamina ratings of 40, 50 or 60...these guys will pitch an UNREALISTIC 4 or 5 innnings in a sim game.

    For SPECIALISTS/SITUATIONAL relievers...you know...the guys who most times pitch to ONE batter only...I tip the scales on my settings. Let's take John Foster...a lefty...who pitched for the Braves in 2005. He appeared in 62 games, but ONLY pitched 35 total innings. If that's not a sign he's in for one batter and out, then I don't know what is...lol

    For him, I'd set his DURABILTY to 60 (closest to 62) and I'd make his stamina a MAXIMUM of 10. And yes, I play many different exhibition games with my settings and one of the sweetest things is to see a reliever come in the game to face your lefty or righty batter...take care of business and then be removed from the game.

    For LONG RELIEF guys...let's use the Mets' Aaron Heilman for example. In 2005, he appeared in 53 games (7 were game starts) and his total amount of innings pitched was 108.

    My general rule of thumb is I try to give the long guys a stamina rating that's higher than that of closers and non-situational guys, but somewhat lower than most starters in the game. Personally, with a few exceptions, I set their stamina rating between 50 and 60. I have Heilman's stamina set to 60.


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  • Knight165
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    • Feb 2003
    • 24964

    #2
    Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

    RC...that's NICE!
    Excellent work and very, very intelligent on your approach to setting the guidelines. I like it!

    Thanks RodCarew!

    M.K.
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    • Rod_Carew29
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      • Apr 2004
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      Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY & STAMINA @ Knight165

      Thank you....I appreciate it. You came up with the excellent work first...and I figured what the heck, since I knew exactly where you were coming from with your work, I figured that I'll put it down from a different angle myself!



      Originally posted by Knight165
      RC...that's NICE!
      Excellent work and very, very intelligent on your approach to setting the guidelines. I like it!

      Thanks RodCarew!

      M.K.
      Knight165
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      • nemesis04
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        • Feb 2004
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        #4
        Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

        Very good description and explanation, Rod! Well Done!

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        • Knight165
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          • Feb 2003
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          Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

          Originally posted by nemesis04
          Very good description and explanation, Rod! Well Done!

          This project starts for me when opening day rosters are available for download!

          I can't wait!...I started already.
          Rod is SO right about one thing. The specialist pitchers....DON'T BE AFRAID to give these guys VERY LITTLE stamina!

          M.K.
          Knight165
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          • jim416
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            • Feb 2003
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            Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

            Okay, when you say "set at 60" are you talking six clicks from the right (zero)or six clicks from center?

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            • Playmakers
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              • Sep 2004
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              Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

              Hello Rod Carew I really appreciate this information you provided. I did heavy editing in NBA Live for the 360, NHL 06 and NCAA 06 so you see I'm willing to edit to get more realistic and better gameplay.

              I really hate that companies don't allow more issues with games to be corrected with sliders as opposed to having to do extensive testing and editing like you have you done to make the game play better.

              Thanks for sharing this information with everyone it will come in handy especially for me.
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              • brunnoce
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                • Mar 2005
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                #8
                Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

                really usefull info rod! will help everybody!
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                Thanx Knight165

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                • Knight165
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                  • Feb 2003
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                  Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

                  Originally posted by jim416
                  Okay, when you say "set at 60" are you talking six clicks from the right (zero)or six clicks from center?
                  No. I'm pretty sure he means 60 clicks from zero(extreme left)
                  I have not counted...but someone mentioned that the attribute sliders have 100 clicks so it's basically 0-100.

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                  • poster
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                    • Nov 2003
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                    #10
                    Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

                    I am 1 game into spring training. Can I do this as I go along, or do I have to do this before my franchise. I figure I can do it through spring training. Thanks for the work guys!

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                    • Knight165
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                      • Feb 2003
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                      Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

                      Originally posted by poster
                      I am 1 game into spring training. Can I do this as I go along, or do I have to do this before my franchise. I figure I can do it through spring training. Thanks for the work guys!

                      You can definitely do it as you go along...that's exactly how I do it.
                      I edit the team I'm about to play and then I pick one team in the A.L.(or N.L. if you play an A.L. team)
                      You'll be done in no time!

                      M.K.
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                      • imapotato
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                        • Jun 2005
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                        #12
                        Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

                        Originally posted by Knight165
                        I can't wait!...I started already.
                        Rod is SO right about one thing. The specialist pitchers....DON'T BE AFRAID to give these guys VERY LITTLE stamina!

                        M.K.
                        Knight165
                        I know more about deadball and early baseball

                        So I have no clue who is a specialist, except on the Phillies (Rheal Cormier)

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                        • Knight165
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                          Re: Some Tips on Determining a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA

                          Originally posted by imapotato
                          I know more about deadball and early baseball

                          So I have no clue who is a specialist, except on the Phillies (Rheal Cormier)

                          I'm like you...I pretty much know just the Mets pitchers, so I go to MLB.com and look up last years stats. Like Rod stated...if a pitcher has 70 appearences and 30-40 innings pitched...he's pretty much coming in to face a certain batter.
                          I'm going by that.
                          That pitcher is getting a VERY LOW stamina rating(you'd be surprised how low you have to leave it....8-10 clicks I'm trying now....

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                          • Rod_Carew29
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                            • Apr 2004
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                            Re: Specialists @ imapotato

                            For someone who claimed that at one time, they were affiliated with MLB (minor league system), how is that?

                            What are you saying? You read/research the past and don't pay attention to the present? and when I say present...I'm talking the last 10-15 years when specialists became in vogue.

                            Originally posted by imapotato
                            I know more about deadball and early baseball

                            So I have no clue who is a specialist, except on the Phillies (Rheal Cormier)
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                            • Rod_Carew29
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                              • Apr 2004
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                              Re: a Pitcher's DURABILITY and STAMINA @ Knight165

                              LOL! i've done that precedure before...lol

                              Originally posted by Knight165
                              You can definitely do it as you go along...that's exactly how I do it.
                              I edit the team I'm about to play and then I pick one team in the A.L.(or N.L. if you play an A.L. team)
                              You'll be done in no time!

                              M.K.
                              Knight165
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