Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

[Rod_Carew29]

@ mgoblue678

That's ok bro...As you see, I take all of the haters on one by one and at the end of the day who cares what they think? I sure as hell don't. I will continue doing what I've been doing. Many of us on OS 'get it', and that's all that matters.

I am seriously lol at people saying Carew is wrong. Like I said earlier in the thread I do the exact same as Carew when it comes to editing even though I do factor career stats into it sometimes.

I got very realistic stats/standings in 08 compared to how the actual season played out editing this way last year.

Honestly no offense to SCEA because they gave us a great game of baseball but just like any sports game anybody who thinks the rating out the box are even remotely accurate clearly doesn't know anything about the sport.

That's all right people bashing Carew in this thread can use the default roster and not give a crap about realism. Meanwhile Carew and the rest of us editors here at OS can use rosters that are actually somewhat accurate.

But I am sure SCEA is right when they give a guy with a .320 career average against LHP a 50 contact rating against LHP .

[Navi's_Navy]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

I feel that the people who are calling out Carew are a little misguided as to what his goals are. The way I understand it he is much more acustomed to editing for a single year (season), its an entirely different beast editing for a fifteen year period. I'd be willing to bet that Carew, with a gun to his head, would predict some sort of increase in Longoria's BA vs. lefties (I'm still confused as to why BA is our point of argumentation. Truthfully I doubt its much higher than .265, and I'm a Rays fan, but thats besides the point), but because he does a season style of editing his main goal isn't the ratings (which, when played out over a period of time show their effects), but the seasons' realistic results, and for what his goal is he does it very well, no, incredibly well. This is how I see it, and until people (on both sides of the argument) get this into their heads then there is going to be pointless bickering on both sides, we don't need a flame war when we should be enjoying the game, and respecting each others opinions and talents. God, that sounded cliche, I'm going to go be like Greg Zaun and eat some raw meat (no, Zaun does not actually eat raw meat. He does look like a carnie =])

[Rod_Carew29]

@ Navi's_Navy

I chopped down your quotes because you said it all in a nutshell. I'm looking to REPLICATE as closely as POSSIBLE what went on in 2008...period. I don't give a ****, nor have I ever gave a **** about 2, 3 or 10 years down the line with my Franchise. Personally, I think THAT'S silly in itself, but don't get me started...LOLI know we all like what we like, and I'm good with that.

But seriously, you said it correctly, I'm looking to repeat what WENT ON, I have no cares about what COULD BE. God forbid one of these players suffers a season-ending injury this week, then you'll see why worrying about tomorrow isn't promised. However, when you talk about the past, at LEAST you know where you've been.

"I feel that the people who are calling out Carew are a little misguided as to what his goals are. The way I understand it he is much more acustomed to editing for a single year (season), its an entirely different beast editing for a fifteen year period...because he does a season style of editing his main goal isn't the ratings (which, when played out over a period of time show their effects), but the seasons' realistic results, and for what his goal is he does it very well, no, incredibly well..."

[K_GUN]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

no cares here

either way

just posting a thought in a video game forum

[The Management]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

You keep talking about stats and realism, then use the previous year's batting average as your base and act like I don't know what I'm talking about. And I keep telling you, you are wrong. If you are not understanding what I am saying, BA, especially in a small sample size is not a good indicator of future batting average. BABIP, Contact Rates and K% in combination are much better, period. Later dude.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ TheManagement

why is your head so hard? What is it that you don't get? You're barking up the wrong tree, and furthermore I don't care...I am moving forward and will KEEP doing my thing for others to enjoy.
::BMSO::

You keep talking about stats and realism, then use the previous year's batting average as your base and act like I don't know what I'm talking about. And I keep telling you, you are wrong. If you are not understanding what I am saying, BA, especially in a small sample size is not a good indicator of future batting average. BABIP, Contact Rates and K% in combination are much better, period. Later dude.

[spyder23]

Re: @ TheManagement

Baseball is stat driven game, thanks. How about not using BA then? LD% and contact rates is more indicative of a player's batting average going forward than their BA over a small sample size. My point is that he makes better contact vs LHP and the numbers back it up.

And my point about the power numbers is correct as well, Longoria slugged .530 in his rookie season. That number put him in the top 10% of hitters in terms of power. And if you want raw numbers to back it up, if he played the full season he'd have 38 HRs, and 40 doubles. Nothing wrong with his power rating. Do I know what they used to determine their numbers? No, but it looks like there is no way to say that they are out and out wrong.

Bingo! Great post.

He acts as if we didn't know baseball is a stat driven sport. If I want to play a game strictly off prior year stats, I'll go play Strat-O-Matic.

George Brett hit .390 in 1980, does that make him a true .390 hitter? Sorry, Rod, you're not "balls on accurate" in your assessment. But hey, it's your game and you can do what you want. Just try not to be such a freaking a$$ when people disagree. I'm 31 and I know baseball stats, and history probably more than 90% of the people on this board, so please don't lump me in your "new wave" of fans argument. Because you have no idea how off base you are.

[mgoblue678]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

Rod, are you noticing a lack of consistency in players stats when you simulate seasons? I have done a couple of teams and simulated several seasons to see how the stats for those teams turn out.

Just for example I have seen Miguel Cabrera's batting average range from anywhere .260 to .330 and his hrs anywhere from 25-43. I am not to sure how accurately I can edit rosters if the game is spitting out such a wide range of numbers.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ mgoblue678

I will be honest with you, I NEVER sim anything. As I explained a few posts back, I do not worry about or care about 2, 3 or 10 seasons down the road when I play. It's pure conjecture. I only do one season...the current...similar to Jim, and as I also said a few posts back, the stats around the leagues are over 90% satisfactory.

It takes more work and effort than MOST on OS would even think about doing to do that much. For '08, I DID get to my second year with my Mets and Rays franchises---again, NO simming. What I noticed was the Mets offense was not as plentiful...

I feel part of that was the progression kicking in. If it was up to me, unless I missed it, I could make progression something you can turn on or off. I'd keep that **** OFF!

LOL

Rod, are you noticing a lack of consistency in players stats when you simulate seasons? I have done a couple of teams and simulated several seasons to see how the stats for those teams turn out.

Just for example I have seen Miguel Cabrera's batting average range from anywhere .260 to .330 and his hrs anywhere from 25-43. I am not to sure how accurately I can edit rosters if the game is spitting out such a wide range of numbers.

[mgoblue678]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

^^No you misunderstood what I meant I was just refering to the first seasons. I meant simulating 2009 multiple times to see the stats. I don't care about the years after the first one either.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ mgoblue678

ok, I've never done it and I would not because I know the attributes are all over the place for too many players in the game. I would suggest to anyone who wants to do the teat, to do it and make the first priority to be checking the numbers of the guys who have NO power. and see how many homers they hits as you sim a full season. After you do that much, you'll see why I don't go any further.

IF, and it's a big IF, but IF I were to try that, it would ONLY be after I edited ALL players on all teams, which I've done for 5 years now...

But again, I know what I do is on point, because at season's end, there is nothing to really complain about when I look at both leagues...pitchers and batters.

^^No you misunderstood what I meant I was just refering to the first seasons. I meant simulating 2009 multiple times to see the stats. I don't care about the years after the first one either.

[mgoblue678]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

I get what your saying but when I edit a player take for example Miguel Cabrera using his stats from last year/his career I would expect at least his numbers to be a little more consistent. I am not sure what the point is of editing him when I can't get the stats to stay somewhere in the ballpark of his real life numbers. Last year I could do that for the most part.

What contact/power attributes would you give Miguel Cabrera for example just for comparison?

[Sportsforever]

Re: @ mgoblue678

I will be honest with you, I NEVER sim anything. As I explained a few posts back, I do not worry about or care about 2, 3 or 10 seasons down the road when I play. It's pure conjecture. I only do one season...the current...similar to Jim, and as I also said a few posts back, the stats around the leagues are over 90% satisfactory.

It takes more work and effort than MOST on OS would even think about doing to do that much. For '08, I DID get to my second year with my Mets and Rays franchises---again, NO simming. What I noticed was the Mets offense was not as plentiful...

I feel part of that was the progression kicking in. If it was up to me, unless I missed it, I could make progression something you can turn on or off. I'd keep that **** OFF!

LOL

Do you not sim the computer controlled games? When you are saying that your stats are right on, does that include the computer simulated games for the entire league?

[Rod_Carew29]

@ Sportsforever

I play all of my franchise games (only the major league team). I do not play with any of my minor league teams--although I populate most of the slots with the actual monior league players.

so what Im saying is that when I do check around the league, I look at the league leaders and stuff like that, and overhwhelmingly most of the time, it's a straight thumbs up. On that occasion when something isn't looking quite right (it's easy to miss a few dealing directly with over 1,500 players), I'll make whatever corrections and keep it moving.

Do you not sim the computer controlled games? When you are saying that your stats are right on, does that include the computer simulated games for the entire league?

[Rod_Carew29]

re: Miguel Cabrera @ mgoblue678

As I type this, I haven't even come close to editing the Tigers team, so what I'm putting down is totally unaware of how SCEA has him. When I get to Detroit, I'll change:

R contact .286 (71)

L contact .311 (77)

R power 60

L power 60

kill off his bunting stuff for that ADDS to a players' rating. It aint a lot, but it still matters.

I'm not even going to look at his speed rating, but if I deem it too high, that will get lowered too.

I get what your saying but when I edit a player take for example Miguel Cabrera using his stats from last year/his career I would expect at least his numbers to be a little more consistent. I am not sure what the point is of editing him when I can't get the stats to stay somewhere in the ballpark of his real life numbers. Last year I could do that for the most part.

What contact/power attributes would you give Miguel Cabrera for example just for comparison?