so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[sooner1]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

First of all, let me say I'm not very good at this game. I was pretty good at '08 but I have a sub .500 record on Veteran on '09.

I was suspicious of the cpu comeback ai before I found this thread. After reading on another site that the comeback switch might be backwards, I started to fool around with settings. Yesterday, with cpu comeback set to on for the first time, I won 3 out of 4 games. It wasn't really the wins that I was excited about, it was the feel of the games. They felt more like '08 to me. I thought I'd found the fix.

Then, I found this thread. After reading the whole thing last night, I was convinced that the comeback switch was backwards. So, I continue my franchise. I lose 4 straight and everything is back to feeling like '09 again. I can't hit, cpu gets hit after hit, hrs on perfect pitches, etc. So now I really don't know what to do.

Tonight, I check this thread again. There are a ton more posts with a lot of people convinced the comeback ai is reversed. I read all this and pay attention to how the guys who play on Legend describe how difficult it is. So, out of curiosity, I decide to play on Legend to see how bad I'll get smoked.

I take the Dodgers against the O's with comeback toggled off (default). Billingsley vs Guthrie. I'm not really trying to win because I figure there is no chance of that happening. I basically swing at everything. Billingsley goes 8 with 3 hits, 1 ER. I'm basically amazed at this. After 7, my offense has 1 hit (with Billingsley no less), 1 run (which came on a hit batsmen, wild pitch, groundout to 1B, groundout to SS sequence that totally dumbfounded me), and a ton of strikeouts.

Botttom of the 8th tied 1 to 1. I get a couple of singles and the O's bring in their closer. I single my way into bases loaded, 1 out. Another hard hit single with Furcal scores one. Kemp K's swinging. 2 outs. Manny steps in. 1st pitch drills him in the back, walking in another run. Next batter flies out, ending the 8th.

Top of the 9th. I bring in Broxton. Groundout, K swinging, K looking to end it. Easy as can be.

I have no business playing on Legend much less winning. WTF?

And yes, I double and triple checked to make sure I was on Legend.

I'm really confused now so I decide to play with the same teams on Rookie. Only difference is this time I play in Baltimore.

This time I lose 8 to 5. O's hit 3 hrs and a ton of singles and a few doubles. Nothing I tried worked against them. I never got Brian Roberts out once. No matter how I pitched him, he was getting hits.

So, I don't know what's going on. I won with relative ease without really trying on Legend, then turn around and lose on Rookie. There is something going on with this game under the hood. I don't know anything about programming but I played '08 enough to know that this shouldn't happen.

I just deleted everything from '09 off of my PS3 and reinstalled it. I'll let you know what happens next. If anyone has any explanations or suggestions, I'm all ears.

Thanks for reading this entirely too long post.

Your right bro there is something very crazy and messed up with the programming of this game. Ive experienced the exact same things.

[sox73b3]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Dave-

I have been following this thread and I just want to chime in and say thank you for bringing this up and discussing it in a reasonable and intelligent manner. I think I am in the same situation as you, although I haven't played as many games they have all been very close.

I will be trying this "on" for a few games to see what results I get and to be honest I may go back to "off" because I have played some teriffic games so far, walkoff wins, solid pitching, everything you could imagine EXCEPT blowouts.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Dave-

I have been following this thread and I just want to chime in and say thank you for bringing this up and discussing it in a reasonable and intelligent manner. I think I am in the same situation as you, although I haven't played as many games they have all been very close.

I will be trying this "on" for a few games to see what results I get and to be honest I may go back to "off" because I have played some teriffic games so far, walkoff wins, solid pitching, everything you could imagine EXCEPT blowouts.

You are very welcome and thank you for the kind words. Hey man what it comes down to is personal preference. If you want to play with it OFF for whatever reason then do it. This game is too good to not get the most enjoyment out of.

Funny thing is I noticed the exact same thing as you. I play so many terrific games with it off in the past. So many nailbiters. Now with it on there are more "boring" games if you will. I have lost by more then 3 and won by more then 3 but the stats are playing out realistic and I don't feel like I am going to have a "fake" come back win. Also the CPU is much easier to get out. I can actually strike out the CPU now much more frequently. They are more picky at the plate and they swing outside of the zone more.

With it off on Legend with power down 2 I had in 6 games (4-2) with the Sox 13 HR's. 6 games 13 HR's. Most of those came when I was down in the game.

Just look at my threads I made man. Every single game I played was so exciting I had to come here and write a novel about it LOL. I would sit there after the game and be like WOW how are ALL these games this exciting. I felt like Legend was at the exact same gaming level as me. I had a GREAT game with Pedroia tieing the game with 2 outs in the 9th with a solo shot over the monster against the Rays. I had sooooooo many close nailbiting games. Most of them I won. It was incredible really. Not sure if you want to read it, it's no big deal LOL but I can bring it up to show you the best game I had. I think I posted like 3 or 4.

[JT30]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

One thing I am noticing too is that the CPU tends to ground out a lot more and I can pitch without leaving anything over the plate. Strange how the pitching is a lot different. I dunno.. I'm confused with all this lol

[Jackdog]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I have the non "Comeback AI and Legend equals Rookie" disc.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I have the non "Comeback AI and Legend equals Rookie" disc.

That's too bad Jackdog. We are all bad gamers that just couldn't win with it set to OFF so we set it to ON to win!

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

One thing I am noticing too is that the CPU tends to ground out a lot more and I can pitch without leaving anything over the plate. Strange how the pitching is a lot different. I dunno.. I'm confused with all this lol

One thing is for sure JT30 and that is that with it set to ON it's easier. That's all I can say.

I had a winning record with it set to OFF but all the games would end up close. Games I should of gotten blown out I managed to come back on and vice verse. Now the CPU sux at the plate. I might have to up the sliders for the CPU hitting all the way and then work my way down.

[jim416]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

That's too bad Jackdog. We are all bad gamers that just couldn't win with it set to OFF so we set it to ON to win!

I think he was referring to the post at the top of the thread where the guy it looks like the guy says ROOKIE and LEGEND might be reversed and "something is going on under the hood".

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Just played my 3rd game with CPU comeback on and the game felt like one of the first games I played when I first got this game which of course was played with CPU comeback off. I lost 15-4, the CPU had 20+ hits and I had 12+ hits, I haven't gotten blown out by the CPU in awhile. I wasn't able to come back easily as I usually can and the CPU didn't stop hitting as they should considering they should get some negatives to hitting if comeback was indeed ON but their confidence boost probably outweighed any comeback negatives if they were even getting them anyways. So, I'm not totally sure on this as this game played like the first few games I ever played on Legend, the CPU hitting me hard and not letting up at all; this game was just very inconclusive. I think I've come to the conclusion that hitting is definitely too easy on Legend and the timing slider might be the key in lowering hit totals as I put the timing slider back up to 3 for this game because the majority of Legend games with CPU comeback set to off I used 3 for the timing slider, so I wanted to play with the same setting with CPU comeback set to on.

[shadyridr]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Guys I noticed something strange. With Comeback Off after my pitchers gets knocked around a bit his confidence level plummets. With Comeback On his confidence doesnt drop that much. Maybe I am just hallucinating but someone else test this out and post the results.

BTW I blew a save with Mariano with Comeback On giving up back to back HRs to Butler and Olivo. But still the najority of the games had no crazy comebacks.

[JT30]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Yes I noticed that too. I think a lot of what we see, whether it be comeback on or not, has to do with the pitcher confidence. If you think about it, the faster the confidence goes down, the quicker the CPU has an advantage.

[carolo59]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Just played my 3rd game with CPU comeback on and the game felt like one of the first games I played when I first got this game which of course was played with CPU comeback off. I lost 15-4, the CPU had 20+ hits and I had 12+ hits, I haven't gotten blown out by the CPU in awhile. I wasn't able to come back easily as I usually can and the CPU didn't stop hitting as they should considering they should get some negatives to hitting if comeback was indeed ON but their confidence boost probably outweighed any comeback negatives if they were even getting them anyways. So, I'm not totally sure on this as this game played like the first few games I ever played on Legend, the CPU hitting me hard and not letting up at all; this game was just very inconclusive. I think I've come to the conclusion that hitting is definitely too easy on Legend and the timing slider might be the key in lowering hit totals as I put the timing slider back up to 3 for this game because the majority of Legend games with CPU comeback set to off I used 3 for the timing slider, so I wanted to play with the same setting with CPU comeback set to on.

Hey Phoenix its carolo,I have read a couple of your blogs,and you are a legend player, and a good one. My question on your last Gm with CB on, were you focus or just playing the Gm. With myself, I well be playing the Gm, then realize that my head is up and locked, not thinking ahead, or Iam not in the Gm at all. With CB on or not,I think it all depends on, if your focus or not. Just wondering what was going on with your 15-4 lost, not paying attention to pitch location or not patience at the plate at the times you need to be, just curious. Hop!!

[carolo59]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Yes I noticed that too. I think a lot of what we see, whether it be comeback on or not, has to do with the pitcher confidence. If you think about it, the faster the confidence goes down, the quicker the CPU has an advantage.

Hey JT its carolo, point taken, its call paying attention, these little things can get away from you real quick, and the next thing you know you our down by 6 or 7 runs quickly, throwning the controller, or they can hear us from San Deigo lol. I notice with myself, sometimes I forget to get someone up in the bullpen, @that really P----- me off. Thats when I know Iam not focus with the Gm at all, no matter if the CB is on or not. Hop!!

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Yes I noticed that too. I think a lot of what we see, whether it be comeback on or not, has to do with the pitcher confidence. If you think about it, the faster the confidence goes down, the quicker the CPU has an advantage.

While I agree with what you say, I have seen confidence dropped down very far with it ON and I can still wiggle my way out of a jam MUCH easier. I can make a good pitch when I lose the release point and the CPU will be much more likely to get out. You just have to concentrate even harder on releasing in the middle where the release point WOULD be.

[carolo59]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

While I agree with what you say, I have seen confidence dropped down very far with it ON and I can still wiggle my way out of a jam MUCH easier. I can make a good pitch when I lose the release point and the CPU will be much more likely to get out. You just have to concentrate even harder on releasing in the middle where the release point WOULD be.

Hey Dave Its Hop ( carolo ) you are 100 o/o percent correct, making that correct pitch, or the wrong release point, to get out of a jam, thats baseball. I just made a pitch on Helton with 2 men on, with no outs. He bit on a slow curve, down and inside, and I stop a rally. Hop!!