Check Swing Appeal, On or Off

[ChiCubs]

Re: Check Swing Appeal, On or Off

off. there are just wayyyyy too many bad calls on check swings. awful

[jkeefeholmes]

Re: Check Swing Appeal, On or Off

Off.

I don't see what people are calling an improvement from last year. It still seems completely random whether appeal is called a strike or not.

Being my first year with the game, I cannot compare it to anything, but my raw rookie observation of the 'check swing appeal' is that it's a roll of the dice, a product of programmers software 'random number generation'

A process which is subject to what seeds the generation of the decision. (rand) has been subject to flaw forever. It is heavily reliant on what seeds the process. Personally I have found, as far as programming, that using the date/time as a seed, to be the best chance of any truly random result.

But the bottom line is, it's RANDOM RESULT

And that is why I turned it off. It is not realistic It's a crap shot, a roll of the dice, a coin toss.

Just my opinion/observation and no offense intended toward anyone. Simply my, as best possible, unbiased, unprejudiced look at it.

Check swing appeals are a crap shot, they have nothing to do with the reality of the swing taken by the batter. This has been verified by looking at replays.

And for that reason, I personally think they are best left turned off. But that is my opinion, and I purport nobody else's opinion in expressing mine.

[ParisB]

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On. Because check swing appeals actually are fair and aren't random like last year.

If you feel you are getting called for strikes too much by the ump, raise the user contact slider. It's pretty much just a check swing appeal slider.

there's a lot more to it than that, man

[jkeefeholmes]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixmgs
On. Because check swing appeals actually are fair and aren't random like last year.

If you feel you are getting called for strikes too much by the ump, raise the user contact slider. It's pretty much just a check swing appeal slider.

there's a lot more to it than that, man

Multi quote doesn't work for me, Just sits there and stares at me. So I italicized and colored the two quotes I want to use..

so...given both quotes above...which I think are there..

Raising contact does zippo for check swing, my contact is high, it has nothing to do with calls that umps make.

Contact has to do with when you swing, nothing to do with ump calls. if contact is high, your PCI is enlarged, and is more forgiving for swinging at bad pitches. Ump calls have zero to do with the Contact rating, how could they?

I believe, from all that I have read, that contact has to do with your swings, what you swing at, and how forgiving it will be. I don't think it has a wit to do with 'check swing appeals'.

[ParisB]

Re: Check Swing Appeal, On or Off

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixmgs
On. Because check swing appeals actually are fair and aren't random like last year.

If you feel you are getting called for strikes too much by the ump, raise the user contact slider. It's pretty much just a check swing appeal slider.

there's a lot more to it than that, man

Multi quote doesn't work for me, Just sits there and stares at me. So I italicized and colored the two quotes I want to use..

so...given both quotes above...which I think are there..

Raising contact does zippo for check swing, my contact is high, it has nothing to do with calls that umps make.

Contact has to do with when you swing, nothing to do with ump calls. if contact is high, your PCI is enlarged, and is more forgiving for swinging at bad pitches. Ump calls have zero to do with the Contact rating, how could they?

I believe, from all that I have read, that contact has to do with your swings, what you swing at, and how forgiving it will be. I don't think it has a wit to do with 'check swing appeals'.

yup

it affects your plate coverage....your ability to put good wood (and make good contact, hence the name) on pitches that would normally jam you or have you poking the ball. As a result, it leads to more hits and higher batting averages.

[Phoenixmgs]

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But the bottom line is, it's RANDOM RESULT

Then, how do I always know what the check swing appeal will be even before the ump signals? Every so often, when it goes for an appeal, I'm not sure which way it'll go because it was, in fact, close. And don't cite replays because on just about every replay, it looks like the bat went halfway.

Contact has to do with when you swing, nothing to do with ump calls. if contact is high, your PCI is enlarged, and is more forgiving for swinging at bad pitches. Ump calls have zero to do with the Contact rating, how could they?

I don't think it has a wit to do with 'check swing appeals'.

Then, why when I had the user contact slider at 0, I'd say at least 90% of the time the ump would call me for a strike? Once I raise contact up to 3, I felt the check swing appeals were fair. And, on the CPU side, the contact slider dictates how much the CPU will chase. Timing is the slider that'll reduce or increase contact.

[ParisB]

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We've been through this before. Plate discipline is also a residual effect of the Contact slider, which its main feature is adjusting the Plate Coverage, which works how I described it in my above post. The game uses your hitter's plate discipline rating to calculate your chances of a successful check swing.

Once again, Timing also affects your ability to get hits bbut in a different way. Timing affects the WINDOW you have to make a good hit. This affects your early/perfect/late range while the Contact affects your jammed/under/over/outside swings.

They work hand in hand

[modore]

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Having played with this on for the last two years, I decided to experiment by turning it off with this year's game, and I'm so happy I did. I would suggest that 3/4 of my strikeouts used to come on appealed check swings even when I thought there was no way I'd gone around, with it off, I only get called on check swings where I definitely went around.

So, what are you all doing?!

Where is this option ? I think I'll turn it off and try that for awhile.

[KiDLiQuiD]

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I play with it on cause I would feel like I'm cheating somehow with it off. Is this something that can be adjusted through a patch? I don't think this was a problem last year cause I hardly ever remember being called on a check swing strike and arguing with the call. It just seems to happen most of the time this year.

[richinspirit]

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Where is this option ? I think I'll turn it off and try that for awhile.

in the general gameplay options in game, or under your profile in menus, I think!

[antilowpe]

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I play with check swing on.

But I feel if I'm at bat, 80% of my check swing will be appealed by the opposite catcher.
If the CPU checks his swing, my catcher almost never appeals the ump.

That drives me crazy.

[Jgainsey]

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I ended up going with it turned off. It's just so nice not to have an appeal or two for EVERY at-bat. IMO, it's more realistic to just have no appeals, as opposed to seeing 20 times the amount you would see in a real game. Plus, it seems like I win 95% percent of the appeals to begin with, and so far, when I've gone too far, the home plate ump has called me on it.

I'm definitely glad I made the switch.

[PsychoBulk]

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I have been ON always, but having now seen some awful, and i mean awful calls, not even close to breaking the wrist or plane, im going with OFF.

Blatant check swings still get called strikes by the home plate ump so that will do me.

[Russell_SCEA]

Re: Check Swing Appeal, On or Off

Being my first year with the game, I cannot compare it to anything, but my raw rookie observation of the 'check swing appeal' is that it's a roll of the dice, a product of programmers software 'random number generation'

A process which is subject to what seeds the generation of the decision. (rand) has been subject to flaw forever. It is heavily reliant on what seeds the process. Personally I have found, as far as programming, that using the date/time as a seed, to be the best chance of any truly random result.

But the bottom line is, it's RANDOM RESULT

And that is why I turned it off. It is not realistic It's a crap shot, a roll of the dice, a coin toss.

Just my opinion/observation and no offense intended toward anyone. Simply my, as best possible, unbiased, unprejudiced look at it.

Check swing appeals are a crap shot, they have nothing to do with the reality of the swing taken by the batter. This has been verified by looking at replays.

And for that reason, I personally think they are best left turned off. But that is my opinion, and I purport nobody else's opinion in expressing mine.

It's not random, in MLB10 there are three different check swings. The first animation will always be called a non swing. The one in the middle is where you will see appeals, and the last animation of the three is a full swing.

The middle check swing animation is the one you will see check swing appeals triggered from. How hard you pressed the button and the players plate discipline rating are taken into account so no its not random.

[Rob_NYY]

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Well, it seems totally random to me. I check swing alot and the ump calls me out at least 90% of the time. I always check the replay and I usually do not go around. I turned it off and I am enjoying the game a lot more.