Guess Pitch - do you use it?

[God_of_Quan]

Re: Guess Pitch - do you use it?

Im not a big fan of the guess pitch feature but its tougher than people think. Lets say you want the indicator on and are using 1/6.

If a pitcher has 4 pitches in his Repertoire (which most pitchers do), then you have a 4% chance of guessing the pitch location and pitch type, a 16% chance of getting just the location right, and 25% of guessing the pitch right.

Now, you obviously get more bonus if you guess both correctly but a 4% probability is rare (will happen 3-4 times per game) and half of those will most likely be balls. The odds are still heavily stacked against you if you are using this feature. As far as realistic stats go, I'm not 100% sure as I have only tried it once or twice. Not my cup of tea but to each their own.

Not to call out your math but it is off. There are actually 4 sections of the plate to choose not 8. There are 8 different highlights, up, down, inside and out, if you choose the corners it still covers the same strike zone area just different portions of each, since they each overlap. so by your method you have a 25% chance of guessing the pitch, then a 25% chance of also matching the area, with 25% of 25% being 6.25% probability of both. But it isnt just guessing. A pitcher 4th best pitch he will throw 15% of the time or less, making that "guess" improbable, raisling it nearer to 30-35% chance of guessing the pitch correct, raising your overall odds of corrently predicting both pitch and location to about 8.5%, so by using pitching philosophy you can help your batting just a major league player does. If Pujols walks to the plate, and he knows he has thrown his changeup for a strike less than say 25% of the time, he knows he can look for a different pitch, say a fastball low and outside, his mouth then starts watering and he swings harder and lets into the pitch, much like boosts for guess pitch do. The visual cues are nothing but a highlight, it is the exact same thing all the non guess pitch players do, it just doesnt visually show it or give a boost. You think you are gonna get a heater outside, you see a fb outside, and you hit it, its just in your mind instead of on the game, yet there is no difference

[Maynard]

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Ok...just to play Devil's Advocate.

You are sitting on your sofa pressing a button...

is that the extent of your contribution? because its worse than using guess pitch....jk

dont we play the show because we want a true to life realistic baseball experience on our video gaming console? Or are we talking about MLB The Biggs?

[Braves Fan]

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If you get realistic stats, why can't you say you are playing a realistic game? Isn't that the goal? To get realistic results? Who cares how you go about it?

Why does everyone have to play like you do?

[SoxFan01605]

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If you get realistic stats, why can't you say you are playing a realistic game? Isn't that the goal? To get realistic results? Who cares how you go about it?

Why does everyone have to play like you do?

Because we are on the internet, and around these here parts we play SIM...we don't like arcade playing, hit stealing, yellow-bellied guess-pitchers around here!

(Sorry...been playing a lot of Red Dead...I'm feeling like an internet cowboy).

Jokes aside, I agree. I personally don't use it and think it actually hampers user hitting overall, but it's just an option like anything else. I don't lose sleep at night if other people use it.

[spitoon]

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is that the extent of your contribution? because its worse than using guess pitch....jk

dont we play the show because we want a true to life realistic baseball experience on our video gaming console? Or are we talking about MLB The Biggs?

I did comment above about my use of guess pitch. I completely understand the debate, and its an option for each to choose on his own. I'll even agree that's not realistic in so far as the visual/audio clues go, but neither is sitting on your sofa pressing a button to hit...I guess that was my point.

I think that Guess Pitch does help to represent those times when a guy is 'sitting on a pitch'. A fastball middle-in for example. I know you can 'sit on a pitch' without using Guess Pitch, but the computer can't differentiate your button press so it doesn't know that you gained that advantage unless there is some sort of bonus system. I suppose the most 'realistic' setting would be No Feedback.

Good debate though

[countryboy]

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dont we play the show because we want a true to life realistic baseball experience on our video gaming console? Or are we talking about MLB The Biggs?

if thats the argument, where do we draw the lines?

What skill level must everyone play on to be realistic? If I play on rookie and hit 80 homeruns and drive in 200RBI's with a player is that realistic, if I don't use GP?
What about adjusting sliders? What sliders does everyone have to use to have a "true to life baseball experience?
Is using the meter realistic? What about classic since its random?
Is trading away players that don't get traded in real life realistic?
What about roster movements that aren't occuring in real life, are those realistic?
What about 30 team control?

Its a video game that does a terrific job of simulating and capturing the authenticity of the sport of baseball. Simply because someone may choose one option over another in order to get the most enjoyment out of the game, doesn't equate to them having any less of a realistic experience. And even if it did...so what? Why must those who use guess pitch justify their reason for doing so? If they feel its realistic, so be it.

Bottom line....enjoyment/fun > realism. A game can be realistic all it wants, but if the end user is getting no enjoyment out of the game, then whats the point?

[moemoe24]

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I never guess the pitch but I leave the feedback on so I know how my swing was. Not one time have I ever usedthe guess pitch but I think in order to get the feedback the guess pitch has to be on.

[Maynard]

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Bottom line....enjoyment/fun > realism. A game can be realistic all it wants, but if the end user is getting no enjoyment out of the game, then whats the point?

thats exactly the bottom line....no doubt about it. Look, i am not frowning upon guys who use this feature and i am not saying dont play the game in a way that makes you have fun and get your moneys worth.

but if a true to life baseball experience is what your after, then using GP is not part of that scenerio. All those other settings u mentioned only matter if your using them to gain an unfair advantage...which is what GP gives the user, an unfair advantage.

Instead of guessing that a FB is coming, why not just guess it in your head and swing if you get one? How is getting an indicator that tells you before the pitch is thrown that a FB is coming provide a fair or realistic game? It doesnt at all. Why even play the hitting portions of your game? One of the greatest things about bb is the hitter/pitcher matchup. How can that be fun if you know what pitch and location is coming? And even if you guessed wrong on a guy with 3 pitches then u just narrowed it down to 2 pitches.
Or if a guy throws a FB change combo. U can guess change up low all game and never get beat by the speed differential and just time the FB and slider all day.....

i could go on and on about why its not a fair or realistic feature, but that wont change the fact that guys use it and its in the game. But please dont makethe mistake of thinking your playing a sim game of BB. Like i said, if i turn on the indians game today and the pitchers are telling the batters what they are going to throw then its another story

BTW, i am not talking about people who use the no feedback option since my understanding is that it wont give u an indicator, just a bonus if u guessed right

[countryboy]

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thats exactly the bottom line....no doubt about it. Look, i am not frowning upon guys who use this feature and i am not saying dont play the game in a way that makes you have fun and get your moneys worth.

but if a true to life baseball experience is what your after, then using GP is not part of that scenerio. All those other settings u mentioned only matter if your using them to gain an unfair advantage...which is what GP gives the user, an unfair advantage.

Instead of guessing that a FB is coming, why not just guess it in your head and swing if you get one? How is getting an indicator that tells you before the pitch is thrown that a FB is coming provide a fair or realistic game? It doesnt at all. Why even play the hitting portions of your game? One of the greatest things about bb is the hitter/pitcher matchup. How can that be fun if you know what pitch and location is coming? And even if you guessed wrong on a guy with 3 pitches then u just narrowed it down to 2 pitches.
Or if a guy throws a FB change combo. U can guess change up low all game and never get beat by the speed differential and just time the FB and slider all day.....

i could go on and on about why its not a fair or realistic feature, but that wont change the fact that guys use it and its in the game. But please dont makethe mistake of thinking your playing a sim game of BB. Like i said, if i turn on the indians game today and the pitchers are telling the batters what they are going to throw then its another story

BTW, i am not talking about people who use the no feedback option since my understanding is that it wont give u an indicator, just a bonus if u guessed right

I'm done.

[cardsleadtheway]

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thats exactly the bottom line....no doubt about it. Look, i am not frowning upon guys who use this feature and i am not saying dont play the game in a way that makes you have fun and get your moneys worth.

but if a true to life baseball experience is what your after, then using GP is not part of that scenerio. All those other settings u mentioned only matter if your using them to gain an unfair advantage...which is what GP gives the user, an unfair advantage.

Instead of guessing that a FB is coming, why not just guess it in your head and swing if you get one? How is getting an indicator that tells you before the pitch is thrown that a FB is coming provide a fair or realistic game? It doesnt at all. Why even play the hitting portions of your game? One of the greatest things about bb is the hitter/pitcher matchup. How can that be fun if you know what pitch and location is coming? And even if you guessed wrong on a guy with 3 pitches then u just narrowed it down to 2 pitches.
Or if a guy throws a FB change combo. U can guess change up low all game and never get beat by the speed differential and just time the FB and slider all day.....

i could go on and on about why its not a fair or realistic feature, but that wont change the fact that guys use it and its in the game. But please dont makethe mistake of thinking your playing a sim game of BB. Like i said, if i turn on the indians game today and the pitchers are telling the batters what they are going to throw then its another story

BTW, i am not talking about people who use the no feedback option since my understanding is that it wont give u an indicator, just a bonus if u guessed right

Ask real players that steal signs (pretty much all of them) if it is fun to get a hit on a pitch you know is coming. In real life good hitters will guess a particular pitch and then look for it, via arm movement, rotation of the ball, even the stitches if their eye sight is good enough. You can't do that on this game. I like how MVP 05 had a different color flash with each type of pitch. I also disagree with you that guess pitch is an unfair advantage, at least it isn't to me. I now hit better without it since I was swinging at stuff I shouldn't just because I guessed right. I also don't like the red flash so I just go without it now and am happy. That doesn't mean other people can't or shouldn't use it. What CB said about fun is spot on. If you don't think it represents real baseball, well that can be said about the entire game. I have played baseball my whole life and can't remember once batting from the third person view. The only way you can win the realistic argument is to turn the machine off, grab your bat and glove, and go play some real ball.

[moemoe24]

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thats exactly the bottom line....no doubt about it. Look, i am not frowning upon guys who use this feature and i am not saying dont play the game in a way that makes you have fun and get your moneys worth.

but if a true to life baseball experience is what your after, then using GP is not part of that scenerio. All those other settings u mentioned only matter if your using them to gain an unfair advantage...which is what GP gives the user, an unfair advantage.

Instead of guessing that a FB is coming, why not just guess it in your head and swing if you get one? How is getting an indicator that tells you before the pitch is thrown that a FB is coming provide a fair or realistic game? It doesnt at all. Why even play the hitting portions of your game? One of the greatest things about bb is the hitter/pitcher matchup. How can that be fun if you know what pitch and location is coming? And even if you guessed wrong on a guy with 3 pitches then u just narrowed it down to 2 pitches.
Or if a guy throws a FB change combo. U can guess change up low all game and never get beat by the speed differential and just time the FB and slider all day.....

i could go on and on about why its not a fair or realistic feature, but that wont change the fact that guys use it and its in the game. But please dont makethe mistake of thinking your playing a sim game of BB. Like i said, if i turn on the indians game today and the pitchers are telling the batters what they are going to throw then its another story

BTW, i am not talking about people who use the no feedback option since my understanding is that it wont give u an indicator, just a bonus if u guessed right

I can see either way of thinking on this. You can play like the guess pitch feature is like a real life batter guessing whats coming or you can just guess in your head whats coming without the feature.

But just because you play with it on doesnt mean you wont get realism or wont be realistic. If you play with it on and finish the year batting .265 with say 150 homeruns then it has played out realistic.

I like to play with it off and guess in my mind because to me, part of guessing is also being able to adjust if a different pitch is thrown from what you guessed. But to each his own...if I play with it off and finish the year batting .265 with 150 hr's and you play with it on and finish up the same way, then we have both gotten a realistic experience.

[Maynard]

Re: Guess Pitch - do you use it?

Ask real players that steal signs (pretty much all of them) if it is fun to get a hit on a pitch you know is coming. .

thats not the same thing at all. A stealing signs feature would actually be alot of fun. But stealing signs happens with a runner on 2nd. Batters cant just steal signs at the plate

I also disagree with you that guess pitch is an unfair advantage, at least it isn't to me. I now hit better without it since I was swinging at stuff I shouldn't just because I guessed right. .

not to sound mean or anything, but your skill level is your issue. Without GP, u hit poorly, and because of that, u gain an advantage over the cpu by using GP....so now u hit better

What CB said about fun is spot on. If you don't think it represents real baseball, well that can be said about the entire game. I have played baseball my whole life and can't remember once batting from the third person view. The only way you can win the realistic argument is to turn the machine off, grab your bat and glove, and go play some real ball.

My opinion has NOTHING to do with having fun and enjoying the game. I have said that in just about every post i made in this thread.

As for your comment about playing real baseball....cmon dude. You have to ask yourself why u play any sports game....some people play them for a sim experience thats like the real thing.....if thats your goal, well then GP means your not achieving that goal

But just because you play with it on doesnt mean you wont get realism or wont be realistic. If you play with it on and finish the year batting .265 with say 150 homeruns then it has played out realistic.
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i am not saying u wont get realistic results. Thats not even close to what i said. What i said was this.....

if you play with Guess Pitch indicators on then you are not playing a realistic sim style game of baseball. Why do i say that? Because in a real life game of baseball pitchers do not tell batters what they are going to throw or where they are going to throw it

if it makes the game more fun for people then use it....maybe u guys can get the devs to implement a feature that tells you when to swing the bat

[Braves Fan]

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This is so silly, batter in real life guess pitches and pitch locations all the time. So they don't have bells and whistles if they guess right? So what. This is a video game that rewards you if you think along with the pitcher and guess right. I don't see what's so bad about that. It would be one thing if you were guaranteed to get a hit but you're not. Not every pitchers fastball is the same, so if you guess fastball correctly against a 97 MPH pitcher you are going to have to time it differently than you would a 90 MPH fastball.

You are hung up on this "realistic sim" stuff. The game is realistic even if you use guess pitch which you think is unrealistic. That's why this game is so great, there is something in it for everybody. If you get realistic results then it's realistic. If I play without guess pitch and never score and strike out 13 times a game that to me is not realistic and I'm going to get frustrated. We are not major league hitters, so what if we need a little help to get realistic results?

You also act like we know what's coming on every pitch. That's not the case at all, there are times where I'll have AB's where I never guess right and have to adjust accordingly. It's not like I get a fastball down the middle every single time. In fact sometimes I'll guess right and it'll be a ball and I have to take it.

If you don't want to play with it fine but don't look down on those that do.

[Maynard]

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So they don't have bells and whistles if they guess right? So what. This is a video game that rewards you if you think along with the pitcher and guess right.

That the point right there....They dont have bells and whistles. YOU DO!
you know, you can still guess the pitch type and location without having the game tell you pre pitch.....u should try it some time. Its very rewarding. Here is how u do it. Turn guess pitch off, then think in your head a fastball. Now move the left stick to the location you think its going. Now wait for the pitch. If the pitcher threw a fastball to your location, push the button. You have now just guessed the pitch honestly

And for the 4th time.....When i say realistic and sim, i am not talking about the results you get in your games. Why do i have to keep saying the same thing over and over. If you are going to discuss something and quote me then at least read what i posted.

If you don't want to play with it fine but don't look down on those that do.

i never once said i frown on those that use it. Besides, what do you care what i think. I didnt pay for your game and my way of playing isnt in the rule book. Maybe next year the devs will put into the rules that Maynard says you cant use guess pitch. When that happens then you can care what i think. Until then, go play your game and have fun

sidenote: he was right, i do frown upon guys who use guess pitch

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Guess Pitch - do you use it?

thats not the same thing at all. A stealing signs feature would actually be alot of fun. But stealing signs happens with a runner on 2nd. Batters cant just steal signs at the plate




not to sound mean or anything, but your skill level is your issue. Without GP, u hit poorly, and because of that, u gain an advantage over the cpu by using GP....so now u hit better



My opinion has NOTHING to do with having fun and enjoying the game. I have said that in just about every post i made in this thread.

As for your comment about playing real baseball....cmon dude. You have to ask yourself why u play any sports game....some people play them for a sim experience thats like the real thing.....if thats your goal, well then GP means your not achieving that goal

Ok I correct stealing signs comment (although you don't need a runner on second to steal signs) and replace it with tipping pitches. It happens all the time.

As for your skill comment, you obviously didn't read what I wrote or you wouldn't have said that my skill is better with GP on. I said that I sucked with using it. I don't use it and now I hit better. Exact opposite of what you said.

If I follow your logic, then there is nothing in this game that is a realistic sim. Batting from third person view gives you an unfair advantage. You don't get to see the plate at all when you swing the bat. Hell, you don't even have to swing a bat in this game, meaning pushing a button just isn't the same as having to swing a 2 pound piece of lumber. You also aren't going to throw out your back or obliques if you swing and miss. I mean where do you want to draw the line?

The other issue is how to pick up pitches on this game without GP? in MVP 05 they did the color thing. In real life you get the spin, grip, threads, etc. On this game you don't get any of that. Instead it is much more of a read and react. Now I am not a fan of the big flashing red on the screen, one reason why I stopped using it, but you can't come on here and state it isn't realistic when really the whole game isn't a realistic representation.