The CPU decides the game....

[thaSLAB]

We are not discussing team average, we are talking Pujols.

Isn't hitting attributes a big factor in Timing? Doesn't Pujols have better hitting attributes than most other players? Doesn't that mean Pujols should have a higher success rate against pitchers with perfect swings in the hot zone? There can be no percentage that applies to all hitters in terms of Perfect swing versus Perfect pitch using Timing. I guarantee you if the CPU had Pujols, then he wouldn't be getting over 75% negative at bats with perfect swings.

Ok, so again, what is Pujols' average?

Edit: I ask that, because I believe Albert is batting around .280, in real life.


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[HustlinOwl]

Re: The CPU decides the game....

Ok, so again, what is Pujols' average?

Edit: I ask that, because I believe Albert is batting around .280, in real life.


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lol @ the notion that Pujols should get a hit/HR every perfect timing is laughable this is not The Bigs

[ambizytl]

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lol @ the notion that Pujols should get a hit/HR every perfect timing is laughable this is not The Bigs

Where do you see me saying that?

[ambizytl]

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Ok, so again, what is Pujols' average?

Edit: I ask that, because I believe Albert is batting around .280, in real life.


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Timing is based on player attributes, aside from what you do with the bat. We were not talking batting averages. I suggest you look at what was being discussed and then ask me something related to what I said.

[thaSLAB]

Timing is based on player attributes, aside from what you do with the bat. We were not talking batting averages. I suggest you look at what was being discussed and then ask me something related to what I said.

Actually, that is exactly what we are talking about; on average what result you are getting, given the contact/timing situation. Those player attributes are afterall, numbers. When comparing numbers to numbers, that typically yields a percentage or probability, or in simpler terms, an average.

And what HustlinOwl was saying is, if you truly want the type of numbers you seem to be looking for, it is probably better to play an arcade type game rather than a simulation.


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[ambizytl]

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Actually, that is exactly what we are talking about; on average what result you are getting, given the contact/timing situation. Those player attributes are afterall, numbers. When comparing numbers to numbers, that typically yields a percentage or probability, or in simpler terms, an average.

And what the previous poster was saying is, if you truly want the type of numbers you seem to be looking for, it is probably better to play an arcade type game rather than a simulation.


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Let's take this back to what was being discussed.

I created a post that included this - I also use Timing. Pujols has had two perfect swings at pitches in his hot zone many, many times. More often than not, make that many more often than not, the swings result in chopper-outs, ground outs, fly ball outs, and popups. Just last night with the bases loaded he has perfect timing on a fastball up in his hot zone only to fly out. Perhaps I should be thankful it wasn't a ground-out into a double play. I, like you, realize that not every perfect swing in the hot zone will result in a hit, but the frequency of times those perfect swings in the hot zone result in negative at bats is damn hard to swallow.

That is what I said about Pujols and timing. Averages? If you are trying to make me believe this game represents real baseball, forget it.

[ambizytl]

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When a run scored via error is scored an earned run, as it is in this game, real baseball is out the window.

[Pared]

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When a run scored via error is scored an earned run, as it is in this game, real baseball is out the window.

So what is your argument at this point? Bringing up something else to prove your point doesn't make any sense.

Seems to me you continue to ask people to look at your argument but then you make a comment like this.

If "real baseball is out the window" perhaps you should look elsewhere? Obviously you have unrealistic expectations if this is what your argument has devolved to.

Oh, and you should REALLY look at the irony of your entire arguemnt and that last "smart" comment you just made.

[ambizytl]

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So what is your argument at this point? Bringing up something else to prove your point doesn't make any sense.

Seems to me you continue to ask people to look at your argument but then you make a comment like this.

If "real baseball is out the window" perhaps you should look elsewhere? Obviously you have unrealistic expectations if this is what your argument has devolved to.

Oh, and you should REALLY look at the irony of your entire arguemnt and that last "smart" comment you just made.

Read all my posts in this thread starting with the first one which was addressed to the OP, then follow along with who replied to me and what was said.

[Pared]

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I HAVE read the entire thread. Have been about >this< close to closing it the entire time due to your attitude where you continually respond to people by telling them to read the thread again.

It is only fitting you would respond to me in the same manner.

Now that we are clear on that - answer my question.

[nomo17k]

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I, like you, realize that not every perfect swing in the hot zone will result in a hit, but the frequency of times those perfect swings in the hot zone result in negative at bats is damn hard to swallow.

That is what I said about Pujols and timing. Averages? If you are trying to make me believe this game represents real baseball, forget it.

First of all, if you argue using numbers, you should really have those particular numbers as evidence to support your claim that the frequency of failure is too high in your opinion. If you are just talking about impressions, then you really cannot hope to have constructive discussions as everyone has different impressions on the same thing. In the eyes of beholders...

Having said that, if you really don't like this game using ratings and probabilities to balance things out so that resulting stats come out roughly similar to real life numbers, I think you really are playing a wrong game...

All this thing you are talking about is still in your head though. What does "perfect" timing in this game means? Even that labeling is just for convenience of gamer who wants to see the swing analysis... What if the devs actually are showing the exact numbers used to decide the results under the hood, something like the hit chance thing for both the pitch and the batter action? I bet it really doesn't mean a 100% success rate. Even if the timing is perfect, you could slightly swing over or under... I don't remember the numbers, but even in real life within the hot zones most batters wouldn't be hitting > .400 there. So you fail more often than not in hitting.

[ambizytl]

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I HAVE read the entire thread. Have been about >this< close to closing it the entire time due to your attitude where you continually respond to people by telling them to read the thread again.

It is only fitting you would response in the same manner.

Now that we are clear on that - answer my question.

What is my argument? I didn't start this thread. I said what I had to say. I was discussing Timing with someone. I don't have any specific argument.

[thaSLAB]

When a run scored via error is scored an earned run, as it is in this game, real baseball is out the window.

Well, if that happened, I agree that should have been an unearned run. Attributes played a part in why the error occurred tho... unless this happens every game. Hey, it could be worse, the game could not have errors.

Anyway, on that note... I'm done.


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[ambizytl]

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Well, if that happened, that should have been an unearned run. Attributes played a part in why the error occurred tho... unless this happens every game. Hey, it could be worse, the game could not have errors.

Anyway, on that note... I'm done.


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Yes, I saw that error thing twice, once for a CPU pitcher and once for my pitcher. You mean it's not a known bug in this game?

Why should attributes have anything to do with it? There was a pickoff to first that went wild so the runner went to third. I threw another pickoff to third and that went wild and the runner scored. Two errors were given to my pitcher, and the run was earned--it was the only run my pitcher gave up. The wild throws were not my doing, as in some weird button mashing or whatever.

[Pared]

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What is my argument? I didn't start this thread. I said what I had to say. I was discussing Timing with someone. I don't have any specific argument.

Great. Now we can get back to the topic - where others were asking you for specific examples instead of the generalities based on player names you were providing.