CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

[DarwinB]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Darwin,

I played on HOF or higher virtually exclusively since 09.

This year, I decided to give AS a crack and have seen no need to change it. At times it feels brutally easy, and at times it has feels brutally hard. Read and re-read that last sentence and then carry on.

It feels just like real baseball.

On HOF in years past, I realized that every moment was just so intense that I sometimes would go to bed with video game anxiety. Not because I'm a weirdo or anything, but because it's only natural to be tense after an hour and a half of tensity (albeit, the fun kind).

This year I decided to dive in, but with more of a relaxed mindset. Fortunately, AS feel much more challenging than I ever remember so I'm thrilled by the added bonus of statistical realism! LOL!

All that said, if you use Meter pitching and insist on it for the time being, I'm not so necessarily eager about you jumping the HOF pitching ship. I've always found meter too easy under HOF level. But, then again, I haven't used it this year so you'll have to see for yourself.

You said you were old. Right? Go into exhibition and just try Classic on AS. Humor me for ten minutes.

I know your wife will probably want to shoot me for suggesting that. Forget sliders man and just pick a difficulty and interface and play. Best decision I ever made.

But if you're insisting on Meter, stay on HOF atleast for pitching. If you want to give AS pitching a go, try out Classic.

Excellent advice Heroes. I mentioned in another thread that my wife gave me very good advice last week. She said that I should remember why I bought the game - because I love the game of baseball, to relieve stress, and to have fun (she also mentioned that I'm 48 going on 16!!) She said if all this game is doing is causing my stress, frustration and sleepless nights - then why bother??

Anyway Heroes, I played a game the Yankees (me) against the Angels. I switched to default sliders on AS - except I had pitch speed at 2, both throwing and fielding at 6 and injuries at 3. Pineda vs Weaver. After 6 innings (with meter pitching) I am down 9-1!! Tex hit a homer for me, Wells hit a grand slam and Pujols and Morales also homered. So much for meter pitching on AS default being too easy for me!!

I am going to play a few more games on default AS to see how it goes. And I absolutely agree with your comments about HOF being too intense for me. I feel the exact same way. Every pitch seems like a battle.

I only played 6 innings, but I did notice a few things

- I couldn't strike the cpu out (0 k's with Pineda)
- no xbh except for homers

Do you think fielder run speed may have to go down a few notches? What about starter and reliever stamina? Should reliever stamina go down a few notches and starter maybe up a notch?

As far as me staying on HOF for pitching if I use meter - I have never liked batting on one level and pitching on a different level. I always feel that somehow I have created an uneven playing field.

Again, thanks for your advice. I am going to try a few more games on default AS and hope that I get good results so I can quit with the slider adjustments and simply play the game for fun - the way it is supposed to be and the reason why I bought it.

I will keep you posted n my results after a few games. I will try classic and let you know.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Darwin,

If you know it's possible to give up 9 runs with the Yankees through 6 IP....

And...

If you know it's possible to held to 1 run with the Yankees through 6 innings of at bats....


Then I say that should be good enough. Your two biggest concerns were just proven wrong in game 1! Fortunately for your wife! LOL!

K's will not be a problem. Darwin, you just came from HOF and I've read your box scores before. K's will NOT be a problem. As far as Classic goes, don't sweat it. If you try it, you try it. If not, no worries. I'm actually very pleased to see you got shelled using Meter.

Don't even consider touching the three sliders you asked me about. Darwin, it's not worth it. I haven't touched any of those because I don't see the need to. And for you.............

For the sake of your marriage, leave those sliders alone! LOL! Over the course of the season, every one of your stats will balance out. Including 2B's and reliever ERA.

Just pick a pitching interface and roll with it (Oasis fans...anyone, anyone???). Or do what Nemesis does if you like both and use Meter at home and Classic on the road or whatever.

[DarwinB]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Darwin,

If you know it's possible to give up 9 runs with the Yankees through 6 IP....

And...

If you know it's possible to held to 1 run with the Yankees through 6 innings of at bats....


Then I say that should be good enough. Your two biggest concerns were just proven wrong in game 1! Fortunately for your wife! LOL!

K's will not be a problem. Darwin, you just came from HOF and I've read your box scores before. K's will NOT be a problem. As far as Classic goes, don't sweat it. If you try it, you try it. If not, no worries. I'm actually very pleased to see you got shelled using Meter.

Don't even consider touching the three sliders you asked me about. Darwin, it's not worth it. I haven't touched any of those because I don't see the need to. And for you.............

For the sake of your marriage, leave those sliders alone! LOL! Over the course of the season, every one of your stats will balance out. Including 2B's and reliever ERA.

Just pick a pitching interface and roll with it (Oasis fans...anyone, anyone???). Or do what Nemesis does if you like both and use Meter at home and Classic on the road or whatever.

Yes, you are right - AS seems the level for me to play on. I downloaded the osfm spring rosters and started a season and I was losing 5-1 to the Rays after 7 innings. CC had struck out 6 batters, but had some control problems and gave up a 3-run homer to Zobrist. My run came off a Andrew Jones homer. I don't start my "official" season until the openning day rosters come out next week so still practicing. But obviously I am being challenged on AS.

But I think I will make a couple of "permanent" slider adjustments to start my season:

- I do think that starter stamina needs to be moved up a notch. Both CC and Price were almost out pf energy after around 70 pitches (but that was through 5 innings so maybe that was the reason)

- I also think reliever stamina needs to be dropped a couple of notches. I put in Chamberlain in the 6th and left him in for 2 innings. He threw around 30 pitches and still had plenty of energy.

- I think solid hits needs to go down a notch for both the cpu and user. There just seems to be too many solid hits - even groundouts are hit like lasers.

As you said, the game plays very well on default. I managed to hit a couple of doubles with everything at default, so I agree that there doesn't seem to be a need to mess with fielder reaction, fielder run speed, arm strength, etc.

Thanks again Heroes - you have been a BIG help. I am looking forward to starting my seasons with the Yankees and the D'backs. Good luck with your season - hopefully we can both become World champions with the Yankees!!

[DeathJohnson]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

I pretty much only score runs by homeruns. In almost 50 games I'd say easily 90% of my runs are on home runs. The only non-HR run I remember is an RBI groundout I hit.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

I pretty much only score runs by homeruns. In almost 50 games I'd say easily 90% of my runs are on home runs. The only non-HR run I remember is an RBI groundout I hit.

Are you saying in 50 games, you think you may have literally only scored one run on an RBI single? I did that more than once in one game last night!

Difficulty/settings/sliders/interfaces?

Are you sure about this? Exaggerating...even a little?

[Vashyron.]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

I would suggest lowering power by at least one notch, this game is always too poppy. I have my power down to 3 after Reed Johnson hit a HR to left-center straight into a 15mph wind with power at 4.

- I do think that starter stamina needs to be moved up a notch. Both CC and Price were almost out pf energy after around 70 pitches (but that was through 5 innings so maybe that was the reason)

- I also think reliever stamina needs to be dropped a couple of notches. I put in Chamberlain in the 6th and left him in for 2 innings. He threw around 30 pitches and still had plenty of energy.

- I think solid hits needs to go down a notch for both the cpu and user. There just seems to be too many solid hits - even groundouts are hit like lasers.

All your observations are correct:

- A starter with good stamina should be able to throw 100 pitches and be at full energy for his next start. You have to take out starters with about 10% energy left for them to be at full energy next start. And, at default, you can't throw 100 pitches even with a workhorse and be at full energy next start. Stamina at 6 seems just about right.

- You need to go down to at least 2 with reliever stamina.

- Solid hits should be down to 3 or less. Every thing is hit so hard at default.

[DeathJohnson]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Are you saying in 50 games, you think you may have literally only scored one run on an RBI single? I did that more than once in one game last night!

Difficulty/settings/sliders/interfaces?

Are you sure about this? Exaggerating...even a little?

Everything is always default because nothing can be changed on DD. And that's the only one I remember, obviously I've had others. I think my first game I scored 11 runs, and 2 weren't from home runs, obviously I don't remember it in detail because it wasn't recent.

And I don't even know where you saw an RBI single. All I remember was an RBI groundout, I almost had more, but stranded the bases loaded, twice.

[DeathJohnson]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Playing a 2-2 game, I hit a 2 run home run off of their mistake pitch, and they hit 2 home runs off of my 100 mistake pitches.

Seems my mistake pitches are way more likely to wind up right down the middle... I mistime by a millisecond when aiming way out of the strike zone and my pitch winds up down the middle, they mistime when aiming for a corner and their pitch winds up perfect, an inch out of the strike zone, which is called a strike when they throw it.

[DeathJohnson]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

8-5, going to lose because of the moronic programming, routine fly ball hit with 2 outs, turns into 4 runs, fielder doesn't even reach for the ****ing thing......

Log of runs scored:

2 run home run
Solo home run
Solo home run
2 run home run
2 run home run
Sacrifice fly (oh my god, a non-HR run? I was astonished too)
Grand slam, inside the park grand slam with 2 out on a routine fly ball, any scorer with common sense would rule it an error, but they can't program that into the game

13 runs this game, 1 not off a home run, I kind of see your point here.

I love how the CPU can just manipulate your fielders so what is a routine play when you hit it is a home run when they hit it. And the fielding/running difference is so ridiculous it's impossible for me to score a runner from second on a single, doesn't matter who's running or if they use 2 cut-off men, but they can just stop and take a break on every base while still getting an inside the park home run. This just isn't fair...

(I bolded the relevant part of this post for you guys)

[DeathJohnson]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Okay, the game is actually over now, so this will be the last post on the matter. I actually tied it, with a home run, obviously.

Then we lose on the first pitch of the inning, a home run, obviously. Because Mariano Rivera gives those up on every pitch, right?

Ultimately, 9-8 loss. 17 runs scored that game, 16 runs were driven in by home runs, ridiculous.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

DeathJohnson,

I am so lost right now. Are you talking offline or online? And you didn't answer any of my questions.

[DarwinB]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Okay, the game is actually over now, so this will be the last post on the matter. I actually tied it, with a home run, obviously.

Then we lose on the first pitch of the inning, a home run, obviously. Because Mariano Rivera gives those up on every pitch, right?

Ultimately, 9-8 loss. 17 runs scored that game, 16 runs were driven in by home runs, ridiculous.

I guess this is one of the great things about this game - we are all seeing different things. As I have posted I am just playing games trying to find my "slider happy place" before I start my season after the opening day rosters drop. I have settled on playing on AS. Once I start my season NO MORE SLIDER ADJUSTMENTS!! Anyway, I played the 1st game of the Yankees (me) and Rays series. I played this game on AS with everything on default (5) except:

contact (human and cpu) - 4
solid hits (human and cpu) - 4
cpu foul frequency - 4
starter stamina (human and cpu) - 6
reliever stamina (human and cpu) - 3
pitch speed - 2
throwing and fielding errors - 6
injuries - 3

I won the game 8-2. I got 13 hits - 11 singles, 1 double and 1 solo homerun by A-Rod in the first inning. Price really struggled and only lasted 4 innings. The Rays got 3 hits - 1 single and 2 homeruns (more on this later Heroes). Rays also committed 4 errors resulting in 3 unearned runs. I walked 3 times and struck out 7 times. The Rays walked 8 times and k'd 8 times.

Back to the homers and walks Heroes. After I batted in the 4th I was up 5-0 so I made the switch to classic (thinking that maybe meter is too easy). First batter - homerun by Longoria. The next 2 batters walked so I switched back to meter and got a double-play and a strikeout to end the inning. I was up 7-1 going in to the bottom of the 5th and gave up a solo homerun with meter pitching. Switched back to classic to try it again and walked the next 2 batters and then a flyout and then another walk. Switched back to meter and got out of the inning. Started the next inning with classic and walked the 1st batter before switching to meter for the rest of the game. I'm not saying I didn't like classic but man, I REALLY suck at it. Everything I threw was low. I had no idea where the pitch was going. I will try to practice with it to see if I can get the hang of it.

DeathJohnson - I started this thread because I was seeing the same thing you are - seemed like every run was scored via the homer. I guess my last game (and some assurances from Heroes) proved to me that this is not the case. Yes, both of the cpu's runs came from homers but I was practicing with classic and that didn't go so well.

Heroes - I think I may be happy with the slider adjustments I made above. I did seem to have an easy time of pitching with meter, but maybe it was just one of those games when CC had his best stuff. As I have posted earlier I have had previous games where I was losing 9-1 and 5-1 against the Rays with meter pitching.

Getting 1 double out of 13 hits MAY be an issue, but will need to play some more games to see if I need to make an adjustment. There were no hits that were in the gap that were caught that should have been doubles, so I don't think it had anything to do with fielder reaction or run speed. But if I continue to see low xbh numbers I would likely lower run speed to 3. But I think IRL the ratio is something like 1 xbh per 9 hits, so I wasn't way off base. I will keep you posted.

[Bobhead]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

The rate is actually 1 extra-base hit per 4 hits.

1.75 per team where the average team has about 8 hits in a game. Add in the small fraction of triples per game and you have a ratio that is basically 1 xbh to 4.1 hits

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Darwin,

I couldn't help but chuckle when I read about your Classic walk-fest! LOL! Check out Geronimo's Classic Pitching slider thread for tips and tid-bits.

Do yourself a favor and set SB Frequency to 7 or 8. I don't want you starting a new thread about how the CPU never gets RISP.

Why such drastic changes to the hitting sliders and run speed? Are you trying to work your way up to Default or do you really believe you need to handicap Human and CPU hitting that much?

[DarwinB]

Re: CPU only scores runs by hitting homers??

Darwin,

I couldn't help but chuckle when I read about your Classic walk-fest! LOL! Check out Geronimo's Classic Pitching slider thread for tips and tid-bits.

Do yourself a favor and set SB Frequency to 7 or 8. I don't want you starting a new thread about how the CPU never gets RISP.

Why such drastic changes to the hitting sliders and run speed? Are you trying to work your way up to Default or do you really believe you need to handicap Human and CPU hitting that much?

Yah, I thought you would like hearing about my first experience with classic pitching. The ONLY way I could even hope to throw a strike was simply throwing a fastball down the middle. Having said that, I did like it - it was nice not having the meter in the picture and it looked and felt more realistic. As far as accuracy, I don't usually come very close to the "yellow line" when using meter, so I'm not sure it is an advantage or too easy. I will read those tips and try some more.

Drastic changes to hitting sliders?? I'm only going from 5 down to 4. The reasons why I moved contact down a notch are:

- every hit seemed like contact was solid
- human and cpu weren't striking out near enough, if at all
- a bit more variety in hits (high bouncers, bloop hits, etc)
- in my small sample, it seemed that there were too many hits (esp. for cpu)

as far as lowering solid hits a notch:

- again every hit seemed like a laser
- even non-power guys were always making solid contact
- trying to get more runs scored from other means than the homer

As Bobhead pointed out earlier in this thread my xbh ratio is, in fact, quite a bit off, if that continues to be the case I might have to move either solid hits or contact back to default. But with solid hits at 4, I did hit a homer with Jeter, so that doesn't seem to prevent the non-power guys that hit 5-15 homers a year IRL from hitting the odd homerun.

As far as run speed is concerned, I have been playing with it at default since I moved to AS (along with arm strength, fielder reaction). I am thinking of lowering it a few notches ONLY if I feel I'm not seeing enough doubles and triples. My last game, I hit a rocket down the third base line that I thought should have reached the wall for a double, but the LF cut it off rather easily and held me to a single (Jeter was the batter and the LF was Jennings so not entirely impossible).

But I am trying to keep everything as close to default as possible, except for sliders that are personal preferences such as pitch speed and injuries. I only have a few more days to test before I start my season, so hopefully I can settle on sliders soon - but I am pretty happy about where I'm at now.

And Heroes, for the record, I told my wife to cut me off s_ _ if I ever mention the word sliders again. Should be pretty good incentive!! Thanks for all of your help/advice/input.