Weird potentials

[zack4070]

Re: Weird potentials

What's the knock on Coors Field? You make it sound as though its not a hitters ballpark. Players love hitting in Coors Field because of the less "friction force" in the air.


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Where in this post (or any in that matter) did I knock Coors Field???

[DAWNofALDUIN]

Where in this post (or any in that matter) did I knock Coors Field???

You kept saying "but he plays in Coors Field". If I misunderstood you then apologies. Idk..


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[DAWNofALDUIN]

I re-read it and think I know how you meant it now.


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[zack4070]

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I re-read it and think I know how you meant it now.


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oh haha. No prob. In fact I think Coors has since leveled out since they added the humidor, which I wish they wouldn't of because it made Coors so unique. You never know when you'll see another 26-7 score!!!!!!!!

[seanjeezy]

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The thing that bothers me the most is how some guys have had multiple seasons of disappointment, yet they still have the same potential from MLB 10 or 11. Also, the number of fringe major leaguers in their late 20's receiving B's is ridiculous... Maybe there's something missing here, If I had to guess I would say that potential doesn't matter after a certain age, maybe around 27? That's pretty much the only conclusion I can come to...

Most importantly I just want there to be some kind of consistency... Why is Triunfel an A and Simmons a B? Triunfel isn't even half the player Andrelton is, on offense or on defense... Barret Browning is a B but Stephen Pryor is a C? Browning is a 28 year old AAAA reliever with a high 80's fastball while Pryor is 23 with a 98 mph fastball and closer potential... I just don't get it.

[Nooooovak]

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Yes. Cargo strikes out a ton. But his .370 obp the past 3 seasons (20th best) more than makes up for it...

Let's dismiss Mike Trout here (I need more than 1 season)...

with that said....EVERY elite player even has their faults...it's not like there is a perfect player...

Cabrera can't run and can't field, Pujols can't run anymore, Cano can't run, etc, etc, etc.

And don't give me his WAR stats. If those stats meant anything Trout would have won the MVP this past season.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think he is quite at an elite level and you do. Let's just leave it at that.

[yanksdaniel99]

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The thing that bothers me the most is how some guys have had multiple seasons of disappointment, yet they still have the same potential from MLB 10 or 11. Also, the number of fringe major leaguers in their late 20's receiving B's is ridiculous... Maybe there's something missing here, If I had to guess I would say that potential doesn't matter after a certain age, maybe around 27? That's pretty much the only conclusion I can come to...

Most importantly I just want there to be some kind of consistency... Why is Triunfel an A and Simmons a B? Triunfel isn't even half the player Andrelton is, on offense or on defense... Barret Browning is a B but Stephen Pryor is a C? Browning is a 28 year old AAAA reliever with a high 80's fastball while Pryor is 23 with a 98 mph fastball and closer potential... I just don't get it.

Indeed, the lack of consistency is the worst part, its atrocious.

[DAWNofALDUIN]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think he is quite at an elite level and you do. Let's just leave it at that.

According to the 30 + mock drafts I've done so far he has been picked in the top 8 every single one.


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[MrOldboy]

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Ok so solutions?

If the potentials we feel are incorrect, can we make a new roster with OSFM base and recreate the MLB players with "wrong" potentials?

Is there a way to replace a player and keep his career stats and such? I'm not huge into doing detailed roster editing, I just change the pitch repertoires, stances, basic ratings and such as I see fit once I download OSFM.

Even if you lost their stats and stuff would anyone sacrifice that stuff for a more "accurate" potential? Or would people rather deal with the potentials and have the stats and things that come with the SCEA rosters?

[yanksdaniel99]

Re: Weird potentials

Ok so solutions?

If the potentials we feel are incorrect, can we make a new roster with OSFM base and recreate the MLB players with "wrong" potentials?

Is there a way to replace a player and keep his career stats and such? I'm not huge into doing detailed roster editing, I just change the pitch repertoires, stances, basic ratings and such as I see fit once I download OSFM.

Even if you lost their stats and stuff would anyone sacrifice that stuff for a more "accurate" potential? Or would people rather deal with the potentials and have the stats and things that come with the SCEA rosters?

No way to keep stats if you recreate players.

3 options

1) Hope some of these get changed in the next roster update

2) If not, come up with a shorter list of guys and recreate them. Lot of guys have little to no stats so its fine recreating them, lot of work tho. Guys with significant service time are the tough ones to make decisions on.

3) Deal with it

Option 2 is my choice.

[Nooooovak]

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According to the 30 + mock drafts I've done so far he has been picked in the top 8 every single one.

Not entirely sure what that has to do with anything. Fantasy baseball is a whole different ball game, dude.

Once again, I'm not saying he is nowhere near an elite level, I feel he is just underneath it. I'm not saying, "Oh my god Cargo is so overrated blah blah blah!". I legitimately feel that he is right on the cusp of becoming an elite player and that he will become one if he can put together a full, healthy season. If you don't agree with me, that is fine, but I just can't agree with you that a guy who has a combined 5.5 WAR the last two years is a premiere player in baseball.

[MrOldboy]

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No way to keep stats if you recreate players.

3 options

1) Hope some of these get changed in the next roster update

2) If not, come up with a shorter list of guys and recreate them. Lot of guys have little to no stats so its fine recreating them, lot of work tho. Guys with significant service time are the tough ones to make decisions on.

3) Deal with it

Option 2 is my choice.

That is what I thought. I'm sure if people on here feel they need changing a roster set will get made that have the "correct" potentials for MLB players, but incorrect service time and stats.

I can see players like Belt or Britton becoming an issue for the hardcore-sim franchise players since the potential seems to be such a sure thing.

For them option 2 seems like the most logical route to take, make a roster set to suite their needs.

[geisterhome]

After watching the 40-man roster vid by shake (thanks by the way), I couldn't help but notice some odd potential ratings... yanksdaniel pm'd me and shared the same sentiment as I did, so I decided it was a good idea to make a thread and hopefully there's a chance these will be changed in the future:

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Chris Tillman A - Tillman has been given all of the chances in the world, and even though he posted a 2.91 ERA last year his peripherals point to that being a fluke. He's still young so a C is probably too harsh, so a B makes more sense

Zach Britton A - He was never actually good, I'd say he's a C

Nate McLouth D - He's a crappy major leaguer, but even those guys are still C's

Trayvon Robinson B - He's a 4th outfielder so he should be a C

Brandon Belt A - Not enough power to be an A, he's not a typical 1st baseman but a B still makes sense

Hector Sanchez D - Backup ML catcher, should be a C

Bret Pill B - 28 year old AAAA guy, should be either a D or C

Dan Otero B - same as Pill, D or C

Yonder Alonso A - He's good but not that good, a B makes more sense

Miles Mikolas B - you're average middle reliever, should be a C

Kyle Blanks B - looking like a AAAA guy, D or C

James Darnell B - looking like a 4th outfielder, so a C

Stephen Fife B - minor league numbers and stuff suggest back end starter, should be a C

Skip Schumaker D - ML backup, so a C

Josh Wall B - run of the mill middle reliever, so a C

Paco Rodriguez B - LOOGY, so a C

Eric Young Jr. B - super sub/utility so a C

Jonathan Herrera D - serviceable backup, so a C

Trevor Cahill A - Solid but still a mid rotation starter, so a B

Josh Collmenter B - back end starter/swingman, so a C

Adam Eaton A - Don't see him as an all-star but should be solid, so a B

Lars Anderson B - AAAA guy, D or C

Trevor Rosenthal B - Pretty sure I'm not the only one who likes him, TOR or dynamite closer, should be an A

Barret Browning B - AAAA guy, D or C

James McDonald A - #3/#4, so a B

Starting to get really lazy so I'll cut the explanations:

Zack Cozart A -> B
Chris Heisey B -> C
Jason Donald B -> C
Pedro Villarreal B -> C
Denis Phipps B -> C
Darwin Barney C -> B
Tony Campana B -> C
Brett Jackson A -> B
Ian Stewart B -> C
Luis Valbuena B -> C
Chris Rusin B -> D
Brooks Raley B -> C
Josh Vitters A -> C/B
Blake Parker B -> C
Tyler Cloyd B -> C
Dominic Brown A -> B
Steven Lerud B -> D
Dillon Gee C -> B
Collin Cowgill B -> C
Collin McHugh B -> C
Zach Lutz B -> C
Denard Span C -> B
Jacob Turner A -> B
Tom Koehler B -> C
Evan Reed B -> C
Gorkys Hernandez B -> C
Dan Jennings B -> C
Joe Mahoney B -> C
Andrelton Simmons B -> A
Eric O'Flaherty C -> B
Freddie Freeman A -> B
Paul Janish D -> C
J.D. Martinez A -> B
Justin Maxwell D -> C
Brandon Barnes B -> C
Derek Holland A -> B
Matt Harrison A -> B
Leonys Martin A -> B
Brandon Allen B -> C
Cory Burns B -> C
Jeff Beliveau B -> C
Justin Smoak A -> B/C
Brendan Ryan C -> B
Casper Wells B -> C
Mike Carp B -> C
Eric Thames B -> C
Stephen Pryor C -> B
Carlos Triunfel A -> C
Alex Liddi B -> C
Carlos Peguero D -> C
Ryan Cook B -> A
Tom Milone A -> B
Dan Straily A -> B
Andrew Werner B -> C
Josh Donaldson B -> C
Seth Smith D -> C
Michael Taylor B -> C
Ernesto Frieri C -> B
Mark Trumbo A -> B
Vance Worley A -> B
Scott Diamond D -> C
Greg Holland B -> A
Salvador Perez B -> A
Aaron Crow A -> B
Nathan Adcock B -> C
Will Smith B -> C
Ryan Verdugo B -> D/C
Quintin Berry B -> C
Brennan Boesch B -> C
Bryan Holaday B -> C
Joe Smith C -> B
Drew Stubbs A -> B
Zach McCallister C -> B
Frank Herrmann D -> C
Nick Hagadone D -> C
Matt LaPorta B -> C
Yan Gomes B -> C
Alejandro de Aza C -> B
Dayan Viciedo A -> B
Gordan Beckham A -> C
Brent Morel B -> C
Bryan Anderson B -> C
Leyson Septimo B -> C
Zach Stewart B -> C
Jordan Danks B -> C
Jahn Marinez B -> C
Josh Bell B -> C
Ricky Romero A -> B
J.P. Arencibia A -> B
Drew Hutchison C -> B
Colby Rasmus A -> B
Josh Thole B -> C
Esmil Rogers B -> C
Anthony Gose C -> B
Kyle Drabek B -> C
Jeremy Jeffress B -> C
Moises Sierra B -> C
Matt Joyce A -> B
Sean Rodriguez B -> C
Josh Lueke B -> C
Alex Torres B -> C
Michael Pineda B -> A
Brett Gardner C -> B
Thomas Neal B -> C
Clay Buchholz A -> B
Franklin Morales C -> B
Junichi Tazawa C -> B
Andrew Bailey A -> B
Rubby de la Rosa B -> A
Mauro Gomez B -> C

Anyone notice any other oddities? This list is my personal opinion so obviously it isn't the gospel, I just don't want to see Bryce Harper or Mike Trout be traded for Carlos Triunfel haha

great list! make much more sense to me than there default ones.

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[js3512]

Tony Campana as a B is just laughable. C- at most. He's fast and he can field but couldn't hit his way out of a cardboard box lol

[metsfan4life1]

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The thing that bothers me the most is how some guys have had multiple seasons of disappointment, yet they still have the same potential from MLB 10 or 11. Also, the number of fringe major leaguers in their late 20's receiving B's is ridiculous... Maybe there's something missing here, If I had to guess I would say that potential doesn't matter after a certain age, maybe around 27? That's pretty much the only conclusion I can come to...

Most importantly I just want there to be some kind of consistency... Why is Triunfel an A and Simmons a B? Triunfel isn't even half the player Andrelton is, on offense or on defense... Barret Browning is a B but Stephen Pryor is a C? Browning is a 28 year old AAAA reliever with a high 80's fastball while Pryor is 23 with a 98 mph fastball and closer potential... I just don't get it.

The way some players are rated in this game(overall) is head scratching too.