Franchise Player Ratings Decline

[geisterhome]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Latest in the 2nd year the line ups become completely ridiculous. R.A Dickey, Ryan Dempster and Micheal Young are a starters in single A, Ichiro Suzuki in Double A, just as A Rod, Paul Konerko and Heath Bell
Lance Berkman, Mark Buehrle and Grant Balfour are lucky they get to enjoy the last few years of his career in Triple A at least.
Have to love it.

[themuel1]

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Didn't Berkman also hit .185 or something like that the year before?

Seriously though I agree with you. The decline is too sharp at the moment but we'll have to see what we get after the patch At least now it's feasible to trade veterans for prospects when they hit their 30s. Before it didn't really matter how old they were.

I think for next years game there needs to be a 'development curve' option like in Pro Evolution Soccer. Options like 'Early Peak' (can't think of an example), 'Early/lasting' (Derek Jeter), 'Normal' (Mark DeRosa) 'Normal/Lasting' (Omar Vizquel) 'Late Peak' (R.A. Dickey) and 'late/lasting' (Mariano Rivera, Tim Wakefield)

In PES there were also some players who reached a peak at 20 or so, then regressed a bit in their early 20s and then reached a second peak in their late 20s. Maybe these types of progression options would give us the chance to tell the computer that guys like Dickey, Wakefield and Konerko shouldn't regress as quickly as other players for instance.

The only problem I see with this is nobody can truly predict a player's future. That's all part of the fun though I suppose!

Possibly something should dictate at what level a player will regress? And which aspects regress? Maybe fitness, vision, speed and a little contact, with a higher risk of injury. Power not so much as that doesn't really go, more the ability to actually hit the thing.

Better players, despite losing fitness tend to still be good later into their careers because of their talent, which is why I suggested different levels of regression based on fitness and potential.

So you could have someone like A-Rod who, if he could stay injury free would be still be a good hitter, but can't stay injury free, thus he regresses quicker than he should.

Agreed thats a complex system, but I don't think it's impossible. Footie manager have managed to come up with a complex and devent regression and progression system.

Any news on when the patch is coming? Sort of unplayable in franchise at the moment and really want to get into a season!

[geisterhome]

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The player regression is way too predictable. almost all players start declining with 34 (-6 to -7) and fall of the cliff one year later with 35 (around -15). All I need to avoid is to sign somebody beyond his age 34 season and I'm fine.

[Ranger Fan]

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Man I tell you this kind of stuff just makes you wonder what in the heck they do when developing the game and what exactly they do at the CD when these guys get together. Franchise is almost unplayable with this type of regression, not to mention the inability to notice on MOM the defense does not adjust. I know these guys test over and over again, question is why is a flawed product put out and they fail to see these problems. Everyone waits for rosters, which is great but what good does it do when you have problems like these that are supposedky being patched. When is the patch? again we get no answer, I am guessing end of April if we are lucky, so we are looking at a month and a half playing a game that is flawed from day 1.

[geisterhome]

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Those crazy 15+ point declines almost only happens to players over 36 rated very highly at the beginning of each franchise. Guys like Dickey, Jeter, Ichiro, Kuroda, Rivera, Ortiz, Tim Hudson, Joe Nathan. All of them 37 and older with with ratings of over 89. In the later years of a franchise there is no way that a player in that age will even have such a good rating due to the decline starting at around 34. Seems almost like the regression system in the game wants catch up with what would happened in game with them but didn't in real life and thus decreases thier ratings that quickly.

What also changes in the later years of a franchise is that players start to decline at younger age,sometimes even before 30. Also very good players. In the first 2 maybe 3 years almost no player will regress before the age of 34/35

[Knight165]

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Man I tell you this kind of stuff just makes you wonder what in the heck they do when developing the game and what exactly they do at the CD when these guys get together. Franchise is almost unplayable with this type of regression, not to mention the inability to notice on MOM the defense does not adjust. I know these guys test over and over again, question is why is a flawed product put out and they fail to see these problems. Everyone waits for rosters, which is great but what good does it do when you have problems like these that are supposedky being patched. When is the patch? again we get no answer, I am guessing end of April if we are lucky, so we are looking at a month and a half playing a game that is flawed from day 1.

Hookers and booze.
All day...all night.

M.K.
Knight165

[imfletcher00]

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Players can still be edited in your franchise...so if they decline too much, jump in and bump em back. I know its not 100% ideal, but hey welcome to planet earth.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Man I tell you this kind of stuff just makes you wonder what in the heck they do when developing the game and what exactly they do at the CD when these guys get together.

What a joke.

Other than 14 hours per day testing the heck out of this game and interacting directly with the hardest working team I have ever met?

I can't wait until July/August when posters like this seemingly disappear.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Hookers and booze.
All day...all night.

M.K.
Knight165

Ah, see you beat me to it.

Anyway, moving on...

[nemesis04]

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What a joke.

Other than 14 hours per day testing the heck out of this game and interacting directly with the hardest working team I have ever met?

I can't wait until July/August when posters like this seemingly disappear.

You need thick skin HV, you can't take it personally.

[geisterhome]

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Apart from the ST decline the too drastic regression of players with good ratings aged 36 and older in the first year of a franchise is the biggest problem. As I pointed out before almost all of them will lose 15 points and more during the first season (even if you select end spring training) I feel like those guys simply do not fit into the regression schema of the game. Because According to it those players aren't supposed to exist, as one can see in the later years of the franchise mode, there simply are no 37 year old rated higher than 85 since the decline starts latest at the age of 34 for everyone. But that type of players are on the Opening Day rosters made by roster makers and the regression engine takes care of them in its own way.

[bcruise]

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You need thick skin HV, you can't take it personally.

Or at the very least, fight the urge to post what you're really thinking.

I feel the same as you, having met them in person too.

[Cavicchi]

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The player regression is way too predictable. almost all players start declining with 34 (-6 to -7) and fall of the cliff one year later with 35 (around -15). All I need to avoid is to sign somebody beyond his age 34 season and I'm fine.

Players can still be edited in your franchise...so if they decline too much, jump in and bump em back. I know its not 100% ideal, but hey welcome to planet earth.

I was surprised Beltre took quite a hit after spring training. Adrian Gonzalez, who is 30 years old, lost some durability. I put it back to original number and CPU put it back to lower number. You can edit players, but the edit doesn't always stick.

[geisterhome]

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Anybody ran a post patch test yet?
How is the decline during spring training? Did anything change with the regression in general or do old players with high ratings still drop off as drastically as before? Would be great if somebody would sim a season and check how much players like Dickey, Jeter, Ichiro, Kuroda, Rivera, Ortiz, Tim Hudson or Joe Nathan go down in theri rating (after ST and regular season).

[ptbnl]

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What a joke.

Other than 14 hours per day testing the heck out of this game and interacting directly with the hardest working team I have ever met?

I can't wait until July/August when posters like this seemingly disappear.

While I appreciate your efforts testing the game, was this issue noticed during testing?

It seems as if Russell said it worked as intended and then backtracked saying it was doubled (some paraphrasing) and will/is patched.

That's why people say things like it seems the game wasn't tested.