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  • cardinalbird5
    MVP
    • Jul 2006
    • 2814

    #76
    Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

    Originally posted by Bobhead
    And Zone Analog requires more user input and skill than Analog requires, so should we take your complaint a step further and force all online gamers to use Zone Analog? Where I'm drawing the line is just as arbitrary as where you did.

    See how silly it sounds from the other side?

    They completely removed a style of play and alienated people just because of a small imbalance in user input. On top of that, there's still other imbalances in user input with the 200 other different options that remain. I just can't think of a more incorrect decision than to remove Timing from Online play..
    Sure that'd be fine with me. They have to draw the line somewhere. I wouldn't mind playing on zone+analog. The problem is zone has always been the main hitting style for online...or at least the past 3-4 years I've played.

    How often do you play online? Are you just arguing to defend a hitting interface you prefer offline or do you actually play online? I wouldn't mind if unranked game or something allowed it, but I don't want to be playing random opponents using it. That is very unbalanced. Pick the Tigers and use Timing hitting would make a lot of players look better than what they are.
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    • Bobhead
      Pro
      • Mar 2011
      • 4926

      #77
      Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

      I don't like Timing hitting offline, online, inline, or outline. I don't like it with a tree or with a bee.

      I just think it's silly to prevent EVERYONE from using it over something so small... especially when there are other solutions available, like simply allowing users to personally set what they want to play against.

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      • Jdoug312
        Banned
        • Oct 2010
        • 1585

        #78
        Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

        Originally posted by Bobhead
        I don't like Timing hitting offline, online, inline, or outline. I don't like it with a tree or with a bee.

        I just think it's silly to prevent EVERYONE from using it over something so small... especially when there are other solutions available, like simply allowing users to personally set what they want to play against.
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        • nomo17k
          Permanently Banned
          • Feb 2011
          • 5735

          #79
          Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

          The way I see things, Timing hitting wouldn't be a bad thing to add to online if it actually leads to more people enjoying online games. (The last thing you want is less people playing.) Especially for leagues and exhibition between friends, I don't see why Timing shouldn't be allowed.

          However, I understand where people like cardinalbird7 stand as well; some people play online to really win and to go up high in rankings. Stick skills vs. stick skills is what those guys want. And Timing probably doesn't fit that niche.

          But the same complaint can be made of so-called "center swinger" who doesn't move PCI at all using Zone hitting. There's nothing you can do to prevent this strategy. I don't personally have any issues with center swingers (I think it's a fine strategy to look for mistake pitches if the guys are patient and have good plate discipline... most are not selective enough to be successful center swinging), but quite a few online people intensely hate them, because they consider center swinging a bit of cheating (or perhaps just not working as hard as Zone swinger, I suppose).

          Also, thing about online game is, the vast majority of gamers aren't really good enough at hitting to play competitively or realistic baseball to begin with. If an interface like Timing helps them do that, the chance of playing more competitive games might increase. I always enjoy playing against similarly skilled players or higher, but I'm getting quite good at online games by now and most games that I have these days are against guys who cannot really hit against my pitching. I don't enjoy those games as much even if I win the vast majority of them... and I often wonder if my opponents are having quality time playing against me either.

          For someone who doesn't really care or aren't good enough realistically to be top ranked anyways, enjoying competitive games may be more important. If Timing gives more people opportunities to play that way, why not??

          If the issue really is unfairness for those who value rankings, then it should just be a matter of how the control interface differences count toward those rankings, not the inclusion of the interface to the online.
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          • G3no_11
            MVP
            • Oct 2012
            • 1110

            #80
            Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

            This is just nonsense.

            There is absolutely nothing wrong with adding timing hitting to online. If timing hitters play timing hitters and zone play zone... what is wrong with that? It would make no difference at all to anyone other than timing hitters would actually be able to play online.
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            • cardinalbird5
              MVP
              • Jul 2006
              • 2814

              #81
              Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

              Originally posted by Bobhead
              I don't like Timing hitting offline, online, inline, or outline. I don't like it with a tree or with a bee.

              I just think it's silly to prevent EVERYONE from using it over something so small... especially when there are other solutions available, like simply allowing users to personally set what they want to play against.
              Well if that was in the game then I wouldn't have a problem with it. I've been arguing why I don't like it integrated normally into online. If it doesn't affect me, I don't care. I just don't want to play against it, however when it was usable online it was affecting me.
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              • cardinalbird5
                MVP
                • Jul 2006
                • 2814

                #82
                Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

                Originally posted by G3no_11
                This is just nonsense.

                There is absolutely nothing wrong with adding timing hitting to online. If timing hitters play timing hitters and zone play zone... what is wrong with that? It would make no difference at all to anyone other than timing hitters would actually be able to play online.
                That could work, maybe...but then you'd have to filter analog and zone plus analog. It'd really filter out a lot of potential players. If there was an option to exclude only timing or to exclude whichever hitting/pitching interface you wanted to play against and it was implemented properly then it might work.

                That is just a lot of settings though, however with all of the current options such as: strike zone, variable ump, GP, hitting and pitching difficulty, hot zones, presentation, etc. I still find games quickly and against an array of opponents. They'd have to disable timing for DD though as everyone has to play on the same level there.
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                • cardinalbird5
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 2814

                  #83
                  Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

                  Originally posted by Bobhead
                  I don't use timing or play online but if this were a petition I'd sign it. People should be able to enjoy their game as they wish, and I see no actual competitive advantage gained from using Timing hitting instead of something else.

                  People just like to complain.
                  There's some irony there. I feel like the ones who want timing and are being very expressive about it don't even touch online, so how would they actually know?
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                  • ROTTEN
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 82

                    #84
                    Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

                    Originally posted by cardinalbird7
                    I feel like the ones who want timing and are being very expressive about it don't even touch online
                    Of course they don't touch online. Why would they touch online if they can't use their preferred batting mode?

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                    • HustlinOwl
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 9713

                      #85
                      Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

                      as Ive always said no timing online then remove analog hitting which is basically timing with just moving stick forward and back. Dont give me the crap about how you have to move the stick left right etc no you dont its simply a pull push system and the PCI is placed for you

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                      • SaundCo87
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 94

                        #86
                        Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

                        Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                        as Ive always said no timing online then remove analog hitting which is basically timing with just moving stick forward and back. Dont give me the crap about how you have to move the stick left right etc no you dont its simply a pull push system and the PCI is placed for you
                        Zone+Analog is by far the most difficult to hit and to say that its simply a pull push system is a little ridiculous. I understand the original intent of the OP, they should allow every type of hitting but Zone Analog (to me) is by far the most fun and most rewarding and most difficult. Just pressing a button for a swing would get old for me in about 3 seconds.

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                        • cardinalbird5
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 2814

                          #87
                          Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

                          Originally posted by ROTTEN
                          Of course they don't touch online. Why would they touch online if they can't use their preferred batting mode?
                          So you'd play online a lot more with timing?

                          I just don't buy that. I think people are just complaining, because they think people are hating on their style. I am not personally. If they had a filter for it or it was used for unranked...that would be fine with me.

                          Have you not experimented with other hitting interfaces??? Analog is pretty similar.
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                          • HustlinOwl
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 9713

                            #88
                            Re: No 'Timing' Hitting for ONLINE Games Is Awful!!

                            Originally posted by SaundCo87
                            Zone+Analog is by far the most difficult to hit and to say that its simply a pull push system is a little ridiculous. I understand the original intent of the OP, they should allow every type of hitting but Zone Analog (to me) is by far the most fun and most rewarding and most difficult. Just pressing a button for a swing would get old for me in about 3 seconds.
                            Im talking about Analog itself, analog plus zone is an entirely different animal
                            Last edited by HustlinOwl; 07-04-2013, 06:01 PM.

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