Classic pitchers.

[nemesis04]

Re: Classic pitchers.

Okay, I switched over to Classic from Pulse and I may stay. I struck out 7 and walked 6 with King Felix, which is awesome. Slightly more walks than I had been giving up, and a ****ton more Ks.

BUT.

I still don't fully understand why the ball goes where it does, and what depends on my button press. I read the thread H&B linked to in the first page, but there was more discussion than actual concrete guidance for my tastes.

It seemed like I was having the most luck by timing my release to the leg kick of the pitcher, but maybe that was all in my head. Tapping the button was useless, as it would inevitably end up a wildly thrown ball. So? Where's the inbetween? Shouldn't the low-effort button TAP result in a easily thrown but highly accurate pitch? Why is the "max pitch" rumble so quick? Is it actually the 100% mark and there's nothing beyond that?

A long while back when we had only 2 pitching choices I created a guide for classic that used certain points in the pitcher's motion to determine the varying amounts of effort behind the pitch before they ever included the rumble. The rumble is supposed to mean max effort but I still use my guide which holds the button past rumble. I tried to get them to put the rumble just before the pitcher releases to give more of a broader range to get more varying degrees of effort behind a pitch but no change as of now. Going passed rumble may be a placebo but I think there is more range to be had by continuing to hold the button down longer.

Spoiler

Here is a guide I created early on when classic was the main pitching option in the show:


CLASSIC PITCHING AND HOW TO....

Full motion

Keeping the X button pressed down, let up at three different points of the pitcher's windup to determine velocity.

Slow velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher just starts his leg lift.

Medium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is at his max leg lift.

Maximum velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher finishes his leg lift and brings his leg towards the plate.

From the stretch

Slow velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is in mid lift of his motion.

Medium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is in mid stride towards home.

Maxium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher has planted his foot towards home and is just starting to bring his arm forward to release the pitch.

Note: If you hold the X button through the entire pitcher's motion you will have max velocity and break but you will lose control and the ball will track away from your desired location.

[vcu9]

Re: Classic pitchers.

A long while back when we had only 2 pitching choices I created a guide for classic that used certain points in the pitcher's motion to determine the varying amounts of effort behind the pitch before they ever included the rumble. The rumble is supposed to mean max effort but I still use my guide which holds the button past rumble. I tried to get them to put the rumble just before the pitcher releases to give more of a broader range to get more varying degrees of effort behind a pitch but no change as of now. Going passed rumble may be a placebo but I think there is more range to be had by continuing to hold the button down longer.

Spoiler

Here is a guide I created early on when classic was the main pitching option in the show:


CLASSIC PITCHING AND HOW TO....

Full motion

Keeping the X button pressed down, let up at three different points of the pitcher's windup to determine velocity.

Slow velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher just starts his leg lift.

Medium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is at his max leg lift.

Maximum velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher finishes his leg lift and brings his leg towards the plate.

From the stretch

Slow velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is in mid lift of his motion.

Medium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is in mid stride towards home.

Maxium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher has planted his foot towards home and is just starting to bring his arm forward to release the pitch.

Note: If you hold the X button through the entire pitcher's motion you will have max velocity and break but you will lose control and the ball will track away from your desired location.

THANKS NEM!!!!

[Gagnon39]

Re: Classic pitchers.

I've been trying to use classic pitching lately and have started to see why some of you guys like it. However, I'm curious (when using Armor & Sword's sliders, or any similar set) how many strikeouts can you guys accumulate? I still want to have the occasional 10-15 strikeout game for my starter. I think the most I've had with classic so far is 6 or 7. Also, do you guys ever play any games where you don't walk a batter? Again, I'm not saying that I want that to be the case often but it would be nice to know that it is possible to pitch an amazing game using classic settings.

Has anyone using classic pitching tossed a perfect game or a no-hitter?

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic pitchers.

I've been trying to use classic pitching lately and have started to see why some of you guys like it. However, I'm curious (when using Armor & Sword's sliders, or any similar set) how many strikeouts can you guys accumulate? I still want to have the occasional 10-15 strikeout game for my starter. I think the most I've had with classic so far is 6 or 7. Also, do you guys ever play any games where you don't walk a batter? Again, I'm not saying that I want that to be the case often but it would be nice to know that it is possible to pitch an amazing game using classic settings.

Has anyone using classic pitching tossed a perfect game or a no-hitter?

The most K's I've had with Classic this year was 12. "The Event" occured at CD with James McDonald of PIT...and because it was so late that night, I had to stop after 7 innings!!!!



Post release, I struck out 11 with Strasburg, and during my actual Franchise my highest is 9 (which I've done 3 or 4 times).

Keep in mind, I am the Braves. Not exactly a K enducing starting rotation. I think Medlen and Beachy are both rated in the low 70's K/9. Hudson and Maholm are rated in the 40's!

I've thrown a couple of three hitters, and have played several games where I've walked none (I want to say maybe around four or five times, I'd have to check so don't quote me).

Though, it's tough to focus on K's and not throw at least a walk or two this year.

I'm 48 games in. I'll post my complete stats either in here or with a link after I hit the 50 mark so you can see what prolonged use looks like.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic pitchers.

Okay, I switched over to Classic from Pulse and I may stay. I struck out 7 and walked 6 with King Felix, which is awesome. Slightly more walks than I had been giving up, and a ****ton more Ks.

BUT.

I still don't fully understand why the ball goes where it does, and what depends on my button press. I read the thread H&B linked to in the first page, but there was more discussion than actual concrete guidance for my tastes.

It seemed like I was having the most luck by timing my release to the leg kick of the pitcher, but maybe that was all in my head. Tapping the button was useless, as it would inevitably end up a wildly thrown ball. So? Where's the inbetween? Shouldn't the low-effort button TAP result in a easily thrown but highly accurate pitch? Why is the "max pitch" rumble so quick? Is it actually the 100% mark and there's nothing beyond that?

I'm seeing the same thing with light taps right now. They seem to be more wild than in year's past.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic pitchers.

A long while back when we had only 2 pitching choices I created a guide for classic that used certain points in the pitcher's motion to determine the varying amounts of effort behind the pitch before they ever included the rumble. The rumble is supposed to mean max effort but I still use my guide which holds the button past rumble. I tried to get them to put the rumble just before the pitcher releases to give more of a broader range to get more varying degrees of effort behind a pitch but no change as of now. Going passed rumble may be a placebo but I think there is more range to be had by continuing to hold the button down longer.

Spoiler

Here is a guide I created early on when classic was the main pitching option in the show:


CLASSIC PITCHING AND HOW TO....

Full motion

Keeping the X button pressed down, let up at three different points of the pitcher's windup to determine velocity.

Slow velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher just starts his leg lift.

Medium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is at his max leg lift.

Maximum velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher finishes his leg lift and brings his leg towards the plate.

From the stretch

Slow velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is in mid lift of his motion.

Medium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher is in mid stride towards home.

Maxium velocity: Hold X and release when the pitcher has planted his foot towards home and is just starting to bring his arm forward to release the pitch.

Note: If you hold the X button through the entire pitcher's motion you will have max velocity and break but you will lose control and the ball will track away from your desired location.

This used to be the Arc of the Covenant of Classic Pitching guides!

I notice that balls react differently beyond max effort too. But I still think it's all placebo.

Brian made it pretty clear that max effort is a one second hold, indicated by vibration, for all pitchers. Unless something has changed.

I like me a little placebo though. There's nothing like getting smacked around and just rearing back...holding X for 18 seconds and only letting go after my teammates pull me off of it to tell me the hitter has had enough.

[ILiveForThis]

Re: Classic pitchers.

I'm having a harder time controlling breaking pitches this year - and simply put, I love it. Confidence plays a HUGE factor in ability for the pitch to be thrown effectively based on User Input.

As for the strikeout subject, my most this year has been 12. And have been around double-figures plenty.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic pitchers.

I'm having a harder time controlling breaking pitches this year - and simply put, I love it. Confidence plays a HUGE factor in ability for the pitch to be thrown effectively based on User Input.

As for the strikeout subject, my most this year has been 12. And have been around double-figures plenty.

Nice.

Could you post some of your stat lines for those games or are they from Franchises long gone?

I think this could help give the people struggling some "hope."

Just curious, do you follow the API or do you call your own games? I've lost pretty much all faith in Brian McCann. Thread to come.

[ILiveForThis]

Re: Classic pitchers.

I use about a 75%/25% split, favoring the API. Some calls I just don't agree with, mostly location issues with Lucroy.

As for some boxes, I'll jot some lines down and report back tonight.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic pitchers.

I use about a 75%/25% split, favoring the API. Some calls I just don't agree with, mostly location issues with Lucroy.

As for some boxes, I'll jot some lines down and report back tonight.

I'm about 90%/10% favoring the API but I think I'm going to back off it a bit and lean closer to your direction.

My issue isn't generally with location. I mean it is, sometimes, but primarily it's with McCann's actual choice of pitch. He regularly likes to call my lowest confidence pitch with two strikes. Over and over and over.

Granted, it's usually my number one. But it's really mind boggling how he'll just do it sometimes even after I repeatedly step off.

Again, I've got some screens and I plan on starting a thread on it.

[torpidbeaver]

Re: Classic pitchers.

Was absolutely shelled on my second outing, lost 10-1 with 5 walks and 5 Ks. On the one hand, I'm happy to finally see the opposing team reach more than 5 runs. On the other, my awful batting skills are becoming more stark in the light of bad pitching.

As promised, the difference between pitching with Felix and Hector Noesi was, to put it mildly, noticeable.

But I'm left wondering what the hell I'm doing with these button presses. As someone else mentioned, breaking pitches are hilariously difficult, but even with fastballs, the button press's effect remains semi-random in my mystified eyes. I've effectively removed the tap from my game, and I spent the majority of the time attempting to differentiate between 1/3 of a second, 2/3 of a second, and the "max" pitch. And... I'm not sure I'm any closer to developing a theory, much less an answer.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic pitchers.

Was absolutely shelled on my second outing, lost 10-1 with 5 walks and 5 Ks. On the one hand, I'm happy to finally see the opposing team reach more than 5 runs. On the other, my awful batting skills are becoming more stark in the light of bad pitching.

As promised, the difference between pitching with Felix and Hector Noesi was, to put it mildly, noticeable.

This had me laughing pretty good.

But I'm left wondering what the hell I'm doing with these button presses. As someone else mentioned, breaking pitches are hilariously difficult, but even with fastballs, the button press's effect remains semi-random in my mystified eyes. I've effectively removed the tap from my game, and I spent the majority of the time attempting to differentiate between 1/3 of a second, 2/3 of a second, and the "max" pitch. And... I'm not sure I'm any closer to developing a theory, much less an answer.

I don't think you'll ever really find an answer to this.

The interface is hugely ratings/confidence/pitch confidence/stamina based. And it has a lot to do with feel.

And just when it feels right, circumstances can change and then you can be all over the place again. It's part of the magic of the interface, and also part of why it isn't fun for some people.

I've had prolonged success with light taps. But recently, they've even extremely wild so I've been using my warmup pitches to try and find my pitcher's sweet spot. But even then, mid-game that can change so I'll then begin holding X longer/shorter to see how he responds.

The CPU is very agressive this year with swinging at meatballs too. That can make it tough sometimes to actually have enough pitches to make off-the-cuff release point changes mid-game (when you have a 7 pitch inning). But it's always worth building Confidence and finding your pitcher's comfort zone as a result.

Again, I still find that Confidence is king with Classic pitching. When all else fails, if you think Confidence (individual and pitch), you will give yourself the highest chance to succeed.

All in all, I believe light taps are coded to be the most accurate even though I've been struggling with them lately. Remember, not varying your effort will allow the CPU to constantly be able to time your pitch. And once they start hitting that pitch, you can pretty much kiss getting misses and meatball takes with it goodbye (for the most part). Making adjusting that much harder until you build it up again.

[ILiveForThis]

Re: Classic pitchers.

This doesn't happen often so it had to be noted: Just had a 3-pitch inning with Marco Estrada. It honestly was an outing saver.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: Classic pitchers.

This doesn't happen often so it had to be noted: Just had a 3-pitch inning with Marco Estrada. It honestly was an outing saver.

I threw 13 pitches through 2 IP with Hudson last night. But that could also be due to the fact that I want his starts over ASAP. The less pitches the better.

Though, those innings did allow him to go 8 IP and only allow 1 R.

Hey, did you end up settling on AS Default?

[ILiveForThis]

Re: Classic pitchers.

Default AS except Strike Freq at 4 and Starter Stamina at 6. I also have my global settings I use.

I cannot pitch with Kyle Lohse to save my life. It's like Michael Pineda from last year. 4 IP, 12 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 2 K.

I may go to the farm system EARLY.