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  • ericjwm
    Banned
    • Mar 2003
    • 1807

    #106
    Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

    Shawn is just saying exactly what I suspected from the videos. Which is ESPN hasn't dramatically changed that much in any way from last years iteration. Which is kinda unforgiving with seeing how EA & 989 have gone to great lengths to really revamp their games, and it shows. Although it is somewhat understandable since those 2 franchises are only in their 2nd year. But really, Shawn hasn't said anything is particularly bad about the game, just mainly that this & this are pretty much unchanged from last year. I really have to agree with him, and I think most people do about the pitiful swing animation & so forth.

    To sum it up if you liked VC's & Blueshifts efforts last year (which many seemed to), then you will probably like ESPN this year. I for one am not impressed by it at all so far, & that has nothing to do with Shawn's impressions. Fatpitcher got his feelings hurt, or was digusted at Shawns constant praise of MVP & seemingly negative opinion of ESPN. I have no clue as to why though, as Fatpitcher himself even admitted to being disgruntled over things not being worked on or improved.

    On a side note, try not to bash the staff & writers, as their work on this site is much appreciated by sports fans worldwide.

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    • kevinpars
      R**k**
      • Jul 2002
      • 186

      #107
      Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

      I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

      Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

      Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent review?

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      • kevinpars
        R**k**
        • Jul 2002
        • 186

        #108
        Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

        I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

        Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

        Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent review?

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        • kevinpars
          R**k**
          • Jul 2002
          • 186

          #109
          Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

          I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

          Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

          Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent review?

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          • Jon22
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 2514

            #110
            Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            kevinpars said:
            I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

            Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

            Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent
            review?

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Exactly Espn Football was better then Madden and it didn't sell more so. They need to do alot more to get people interested. From what I hear Mvp should be an 8-8.5 at the most

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            • Jon22
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 2514

              #111
              Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              kevinpars said:
              I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

              Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

              Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent
              review?

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Exactly Espn Football was better then Madden and it didn't sell more so. They need to do alot more to get people interested. From what I hear Mvp should be an 8-8.5 at the most

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              • Jon22
                Banned
                • May 2003
                • 2514

                #112
                Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                kevinpars said:
                I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

                Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

                Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent
                review?

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Exactly Espn Football was better then Madden and it didn't sell more so. They need to do alot more to get people interested. From what I hear Mvp should be an 8-8.5 at the most

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                • Crucial Mike
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1225

                  #113
                  Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  Jon22 said:
                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  kevinpars said:
                  I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

                  Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

                  Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent
                  review?

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Exactly Espn Football was better then Madden and it didn't sell more so. They need to do alot more to get people interested. From what I hear Mvp should be an 8-8.5 at the most

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  It's all just a matter of opinion. OS stands by their 9.3 and I respect them for that. You don't have to agree, heck, you can even write your own review on here if you want. However, no game "should" get a certain number. It's whatever YOU feel it earns.

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                  • Crucial Mike
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1225

                    #114
                    Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Jon22 said:
                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    kevinpars said:
                    I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

                    Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

                    Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent
                    review?

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Exactly Espn Football was better then Madden and it didn't sell more so. They need to do alot more to get people interested. From what I hear Mvp should be an 8-8.5 at the most

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    It's all just a matter of opinion. OS stands by their 9.3 and I respect them for that. You don't have to agree, heck, you can even write your own review on here if you want. However, no game "should" get a certain number. It's whatever YOU feel it earns.

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                    • Crucial Mike
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1225

                      #115
                      Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Jon22 said:
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      kevinpars said:
                      I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

                      Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

                      Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent
                      review?

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Exactly Espn Football was better then Madden and it didn't sell more so. They need to do alot more to get people interested. From what I hear Mvp should be an 8-8.5 at the most

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      It's all just a matter of opinion. OS stands by their 9.3 and I respect them for that. You don't have to agree, heck, you can even write your own review on here if you want. However, no game "should" get a certain number. It's whatever YOU feel it earns.

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                      • handle
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 137

                        #116
                        Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        I'm not accusing anyone of anything but you can't rule that out. Companies of any kind want good reviews and are willing to "pay" for them. You'd be surprised how much power one good review has on people.

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

                        Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent review?

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        I respect the reviews as well even though I don't buy anything solely based on reviews. The best thing anyone can do for me is to make a detailed list of pros and cons. I usually skip the persuasive literature and go straight to the "whats new" section. Unfortunately, most reviews of any kind don't point out enough of a game's shortcomings ie. glitches.

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                        • handle
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 137

                          #117
                          Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          I'm not accusing anyone of anything but you can't rule that out. Companies of any kind want good reviews and are willing to "pay" for them. You'd be surprised how much power one good review has on people.

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

                          Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent review?

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          I respect the reviews as well even though I don't buy anything solely based on reviews. The best thing anyone can do for me is to make a detailed list of pros and cons. I usually skip the persuasive literature and go straight to the "whats new" section. Unfortunately, most reviews of any kind don't point out enough of a game's shortcomings ie. glitches.

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                          • handle
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 137

                            #118
                            Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            I don't understand the whole conspiracy theory idea in the first place. Why would any company pay out anything for a positive review?? To be honest, OS could have given MVP a horrible review and given ESPN a rave review and the sales would not change a bit. And I don't see any bias here.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            I'm not accusing anyone of anything but you can't rule that out. Companies of any kind want good reviews and are willing to "pay" for them. You'd be surprised how much power one good review has on people.

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Personally, whether I agree with or disagree with a review at OS, I respect the hard work and dedication that went into the review. I work as a technical writer, which means I get paid to write. The folks putting up the reviews here don't get paid. But they are willing to put in the work and put their review on the web. I respect the work that went into these reviews.

                            Getting a disk a few days or even weeks early is great, but how many of you would have the talent and discipline to play the game not just for fun, but to be able to write a fair and intelligent review?

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            I respect the reviews as well even though I don't buy anything solely based on reviews. The best thing anyone can do for me is to make a detailed list of pros and cons. I usually skip the persuasive literature and go straight to the "whats new" section. Unfortunately, most reviews of any kind don't point out enough of a game's shortcomings ie. glitches.

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                            • Aeon
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 112

                              #119
                              Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                              Real quick, i'd like to address the "reviews are opinions" assertion that's frequently used to justify questionable reviews.

                              Let's assume that reviews are *only* opinions, and that nothing that *isn't* an opinion would be in a review. How much worth would that be to you or i? How could we use that to make a guess about whether a game is worth our money? The answer is simple: we assess the reviewer's track record, affiliations, and tastes and see whether those coincide with our own. You see what i'm getting at: Nobody wants to bet money on some stranger's opinion. But ok, we all know this, and it's all well and good.

                              Except that reviews *aren't* just opinions on a page - "graphics are good, pitching interface is TEH BEST EVAR", and so forth; they also include information passed on about the game that, if the reviewers are good, is factual in nature:
                              e.g. "The pitching interface includes a meter for power and accuracy", or "the options include a couple of sliders that don't seem to actually have any effect on the game" or "you can't control how hard you throw the ball in ESPN."

                              In the last example, we see hypothetical information that's passed off as "factual", but is actually inaccurate, as we know now that the duration you hold down the throw button affects the speed and accuracy of the throw. (On a side note, i think that this is one of the things that is appealing to me about ESPN: that the game doesn't beat you over the head with gaudy icons to let you know that you have increased control over the action in question).

                              Aaanyway, you probably see where i'm going with this. Reviews not only offer opinions, but any (good) review will also be INFORMATIVE, so that when you go to make your choice at GS or EB or wherever, your decision is more likelt to be an educated one. The suggestion that reviews are only opinions (and the corollary implication that this TOTALLY exempts a reviewer from having to worry about the truthfulness of his claims) is, to me, ludicrous. Reviews are NOT just opinions; i mean, in essence, a reiew can't be completely right or wrong as there are opinions included, but parts of a review *can* be wrong or, more commonly, poorly researched.

                              I know i was a bit wordy here, but i think this needed to be said. Whether anyone bothers to read it is another issue...

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                              • Aeon
                                Rookie
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 112

                                #120
                                Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

                                Real quick, i'd like to address the "reviews are opinions" assertion that's frequently used to justify questionable reviews.

                                Let's assume that reviews are *only* opinions, and that nothing that *isn't* an opinion would be in a review. How much worth would that be to you or i? How could we use that to make a guess about whether a game is worth our money? The answer is simple: we assess the reviewer's track record, affiliations, and tastes and see whether those coincide with our own. You see what i'm getting at: Nobody wants to bet money on some stranger's opinion. But ok, we all know this, and it's all well and good.

                                Except that reviews *aren't* just opinions on a page - "graphics are good, pitching interface is TEH BEST EVAR", and so forth; they also include information passed on about the game that, if the reviewers are good, is factual in nature:
                                e.g. "The pitching interface includes a meter for power and accuracy", or "the options include a couple of sliders that don't seem to actually have any effect on the game" or "you can't control how hard you throw the ball in ESPN."

                                In the last example, we see hypothetical information that's passed off as "factual", but is actually inaccurate, as we know now that the duration you hold down the throw button affects the speed and accuracy of the throw. (On a side note, i think that this is one of the things that is appealing to me about ESPN: that the game doesn't beat you over the head with gaudy icons to let you know that you have increased control over the action in question).

                                Aaanyway, you probably see where i'm going with this. Reviews not only offer opinions, but any (good) review will also be INFORMATIVE, so that when you go to make your choice at GS or EB or wherever, your decision is more likelt to be an educated one. The suggestion that reviews are only opinions (and the corollary implication that this TOTALLY exempts a reviewer from having to worry about the truthfulness of his claims) is, to me, ludicrous. Reviews are NOT just opinions; i mean, in essence, a reiew can't be completely right or wrong as there are opinions included, but parts of a review *can* be wrong or, more commonly, poorly researched.

                                I know i was a bit wordy here, but i think this needed to be said. Whether anyone bothers to read it is another issue...

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