Where should I start?

**mjb2124** · 08-14-2003, 12:56 PM

Re: Where should I start?

Anyone who wants to become a pitcher, I'd suggest getting a coach. Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

I suggest a coach because incorrectly trying to throw a curve or slider can do major damage to an arm (Kerry Wood for example).

Just remember, it's nearly impossible to make it to the big leagues and the minors aren't much fun either. You'd be amazed at the % of players that never make it. It's extremely high. My friend is in AA and said he makes less than I do and even has to pay for hotels/food etc... The minor leagues are no picnic.

As for pitching mechanics, here's my theory. If you're comfortable with it then it's fine (as long as you aren't doing damage - like throwing across your body).

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If any of you want to be a good pitcher, NEVER raise your leg before you bring your arms up during your delivery

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I understand what you're saying, but many pitchers don't bring their hands up during their delivery. When I pitched I held my glove in front of my chin and kept it there as I stepped back. So maybe I'm misinterpretating your post, but I don't really agree with it since it doesn't apply to many pitchers..

**maverick99** · 08-14-2003, 06:07 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

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amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

**maverick99** · 08-14-2003, 06:07 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

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amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

**maverick99** · 08-14-2003, 06:07 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

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amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

**grismosw** · 08-14-2003, 06:55 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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MSRoble33 said:
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grismosw said:
Lower body strength is more important for pitchers than upper body.

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Is it safe to assume lower body helps throwing power for outfielders as well?

If so, can you explain to me... I seriously wanna know, I want to enter next season with a stronger throw.

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Yes, but it is not as important because you are not pushing off a rubber in the OF. I used to do some weight lifting that would simulate throwing, that seemed to add about 5 mph to everything I threw.

**grismosw** · 08-14-2003, 06:55 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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MSRoble33 said:
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grismosw said:
Lower body strength is more important for pitchers than upper body.

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Is it safe to assume lower body helps throwing power for outfielders as well?

If so, can you explain to me... I seriously wanna know, I want to enter next season with a stronger throw.

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Yes, but it is not as important because you are not pushing off a rubber in the OF. I used to do some weight lifting that would simulate throwing, that seemed to add about 5 mph to everything I threw.

**grismosw** · 08-14-2003, 06:55 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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MSRoble33 said:
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grismosw said:
Lower body strength is more important for pitchers than upper body.

<hr /></blockquote>

Is it safe to assume lower body helps throwing power for outfielders as well?

If so, can you explain to me... I seriously wanna know, I want to enter next season with a stronger throw.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, but it is not as important because you are not pushing off a rubber in the OF. I used to do some weight lifting that would simulate throwing, that seemed to add about 5 mph to everything I threw.

**grismosw** · 08-14-2003, 06:57 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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maverick99 said:
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Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

<hr /></blockquote>

amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

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Yes, but if he only throws 75 it don't matter were he locates it.

**grismosw** · 08-14-2003, 06:57 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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maverick99 said:
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Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

<hr /></blockquote>

amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

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Yes, but if he only throws 75 it don't matter were he locates it.

**grismosw** · 08-14-2003, 06:57 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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maverick99 said:
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Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

<hr /></blockquote>

amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

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Yes, but if he only throws 75 it don't matter were he locates it.

**GCrusher23** · 08-14-2003, 07:04 PM

Re: Where should I start?

Every pitcher in the major leagues destroys their arm with every pitch they throw. You guys can make arguments based on your theories or theories you've heard, but Dr. Mike Marshall has done scientific research proving that forearm flyout (which is what all pitchers in the majors do) damages the arm. By destroying the arm I mean stretching the elbow ligaments and taking away a pitcher's chance to throw at their best ability. Sure, a guy like Randy Johnson or Mark Prior may throw without pain, but they're not throwing as well as they could have if they learned how to throw correctly from the beginning.

Also, I would never recommend hiring a pitching coach because

1. They're a waste of money

and

2. There is not one pitching coach (other than Marshall) that understands Newton's laws of physics and the ability to apply the correct force to pitches.

I'm not going to argue with anyone here because I don't feel like arguing about proven science. If you feel I'm wrong, then send an email to Marshall; there's an email address at the bottom of www.drmikemarshall.com. At first I thought Marshall was an idiot, but once the pain started from throwing with the 'traditional' mechanics, I learned Marshall's delivery and have yet to have another arm problem.

**GCrusher23** · 08-14-2003, 07:04 PM

Re: Where should I start?

Every pitcher in the major leagues destroys their arm with every pitch they throw. You guys can make arguments based on your theories or theories you've heard, but Dr. Mike Marshall has done scientific research proving that forearm flyout (which is what all pitchers in the majors do) damages the arm. By destroying the arm I mean stretching the elbow ligaments and taking away a pitcher's chance to throw at their best ability. Sure, a guy like Randy Johnson or Mark Prior may throw without pain, but they're not throwing as well as they could have if they learned how to throw correctly from the beginning.

Also, I would never recommend hiring a pitching coach because

1. They're a waste of money

and

2. There is not one pitching coach (other than Marshall) that understands Newton's laws of physics and the ability to apply the correct force to pitches.

I'm not going to argue with anyone here because I don't feel like arguing about proven science. If you feel I'm wrong, then send an email to Marshall; there's an email address at the bottom of www.drmikemarshall.com. At first I thought Marshall was an idiot, but once the pain started from throwing with the 'traditional' mechanics, I learned Marshall's delivery and have yet to have another arm problem.

**GCrusher23** · 08-14-2003, 07:04 PM

Re: Where should I start?

Every pitcher in the major leagues destroys their arm with every pitch they throw. You guys can make arguments based on your theories or theories you've heard, but Dr. Mike Marshall has done scientific research proving that forearm flyout (which is what all pitchers in the majors do) damages the arm. By destroying the arm I mean stretching the elbow ligaments and taking away a pitcher's chance to throw at their best ability. Sure, a guy like Randy Johnson or Mark Prior may throw without pain, but they're not throwing as well as they could have if they learned how to throw correctly from the beginning.

Also, I would never recommend hiring a pitching coach because

1. They're a waste of money

and

2. There is not one pitching coach (other than Marshall) that understands Newton's laws of physics and the ability to apply the correct force to pitches.

I'm not going to argue with anyone here because I don't feel like arguing about proven science. If you feel I'm wrong, then send an email to Marshall; there's an email address at the bottom of www.drmikemarshall.com. At first I thought Marshall was an idiot, but once the pain started from throwing with the 'traditional' mechanics, I learned Marshall's delivery and have yet to have another arm problem.

**mjb2124** · 08-14-2003, 07:08 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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grismosw said:
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maverick99 said:
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Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

<hr /></blockquote>

amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, but if he only throws 75 it don't matter were he locates it.

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Look at Greg Maddux. Often, he doesn't throw much harder than 83-85 (which is no different than 75 for all intensive purposes. A decent minor league hitter won't have trouble with either speed), but his command and incredible movement on his pitches are what makes him good.

I've watched many guys that throw 98 MPH and end up getting rocked once they reach the big leagues. Why? That 98 MPH is nothing unless it's on the black of the plate...

I threw 85 and pitched from the time I was 13 until my senior year of college (D II school). Pitched in 1 State Championship and 2 Western PA championships that my high school team won. I can't recall a time I got hit hard. I lived on the corners of the strike zone and had a lot of tailing action on my fastball that would jam RH hitters. So I know I'm slightly biased, but I really don't think MPH means much unless you've got good command and 2-3 other good pitches...

**mjb2124** · 08-14-2003, 07:08 PM

Re: Where should I start?

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grismosw said:
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maverick99 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Throwing hard is no big deal. Tons of guys throw hard that never make it. It's location and having command of all your pitches that matters.

<hr /></blockquote>

amen. There is a diffence between throwing and pitching. Not everyone can locate.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yes, but if he only throws 75 it don't matter were he locates it.

<hr /></blockquote>

Look at Greg Maddux. Often, he doesn't throw much harder than 83-85 (which is no different than 75 for all intensive purposes. A decent minor league hitter won't have trouble with either speed), but his command and incredible movement on his pitches are what makes him good.

I've watched many guys that throw 98 MPH and end up getting rocked once they reach the big leagues. Why? That 98 MPH is nothing unless it's on the black of the plate...

I threw 85 and pitched from the time I was 13 until my senior year of college (D II school). Pitched in 1 State Championship and 2 Western PA championships that my high school team won. I can't recall a time I got hit hard. I lived on the corners of the strike zone and had a lot of tailing action on my fastball that would jam RH hitters. So I know I'm slightly biased, but I really don't think MPH means much unless you've got good command and 2-3 other good pitches...

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