U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

**Mr_October** · 11-08-2003, 04:20 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

How come the US Baseball team never has hardly any big names on it? This year there was just basically abunch of minor leaguers. Why does all the stars in Basketball play their Olympic games. But big name Major Leaguers never do?

**SPTO** · 11-08-2003, 05:17 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

It has a lot to do with the Unions. I know that the NBA and the NBAPA allows their stars to play in the Olympics because it occurs during the offseason.

The NHL and NHLPA have a working agreement when it comes to international tournaments and the Olympics and so the pros play if it's agreed upon by the League and players.

As far as I know the MLBPA doesn't have any kind of deal with the US Olympic Comittee and/or MLB to have their players compete in international play. I also doubt that many of them would want to risk injury and such to play in the Olympics when it occurs during the season.

**SPTO** · 11-08-2003, 05:17 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

It has a lot to do with the Unions. I know that the NBA and the NBAPA allows their stars to play in the Olympics because it occurs during the offseason.

The NHL and NHLPA have a working agreement when it comes to international tournaments and the Olympics and so the pros play if it's agreed upon by the League and players.

As far as I know the MLBPA doesn't have any kind of deal with the US Olympic Comittee and/or MLB to have their players compete in international play. I also doubt that many of them would want to risk injury and such to play in the Olympics when it occurs during the season.

**SPTO** · 11-08-2003, 05:17 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

It has a lot to do with the Unions. I know that the NBA and the NBAPA allows their stars to play in the Olympics because it occurs during the offseason.

The NHL and NHLPA have a working agreement when it comes to international tournaments and the Olympics and so the pros play if it's agreed upon by the League and players.

As far as I know the MLBPA doesn't have any kind of deal with the US Olympic Comittee and/or MLB to have their players compete in international play. I also doubt that many of them would want to risk injury and such to play in the Olympics when it occurs during the season.

**mjb2124** · 11-09-2003, 10:35 AM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

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Stoud said:
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joeboo said:
Yeah that's pretty embarrasing. Baseball is said to be America's sport and we can't even compete for a medal in the Olympics.

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For crying out loud...

after what Lasorda said, I'm getting really tired of this "elitest" attitude. We didn't win the chance to go to the Olympics this time, so we aren't "the best" now, are we? Acting like a sport, especially Baseball, BELONGS to one specific country is like saying one specific country owns Chocolate and no other Country is allowed to use it, let alone enjoy it. You KNOW Japan is big on Baseball, I guess I'm just pretty freakin' amazed at the attitudes of alot of people because of such a little thing. So we didn't win...so what? Get used to it. Not all games can be automatically won. No country OWNS a Sport, and no Country OWNS Baseball. You know what the REAL disgrace is, the elitest attitude everyone is showing as a result of this. You call yourself American?

Oh! Oh! Here's an idea! Instead of being an egotistical a-hole, howabout congratulating the Mexicans on defeating the "unbeatable and undeniable elite" Americans? Yeah, see, that's what's called TRUE SPORTSMANSHIP.

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Wow, you TOTALLY missed the point that I was making.

Baseball has always been referred to as "America's pastime/sport". It's been referred to that for over 100 years. THAT IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. NOT THAT USA IS BETTER THAN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES.

Just quoting a long-standing quote that is older than you and I. If you don't know the reason behind this quote and why I used it then I'm talking to a wall and this is not worth my time. However I'll try since I'm a nice guy. Abner Doubleday invented baseball in 1839 in NEW YORK. It's very possible he "edited" a British game called rounders though. Nonetheless, he was the founding father of the game we enjoy today. He was American, invented the game we see today on American soil (there have been changes, but the root of the game was there) and the first game was played in America. THAT IS WHY IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE AMERICAN PASTIME and why I referred to it as such. Not because I or other Americans are "elitests".

Next time before you jump down someone's throat, try to realize what they are actually saying instead of just assuming what they are saying...

PS - Also please don't question my patriotism either by stating "And you call yourself an American?".

**mjb2124** · 11-09-2003, 10:35 AM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Stoud said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
joeboo said:
Yeah that's pretty embarrasing. Baseball is said to be America's sport and we can't even compete for a medal in the Olympics.

<hr /></blockquote>

For crying out loud...

after what Lasorda said, I'm getting really tired of this "elitest" attitude. We didn't win the chance to go to the Olympics this time, so we aren't "the best" now, are we? Acting like a sport, especially Baseball, BELONGS to one specific country is like saying one specific country owns Chocolate and no other Country is allowed to use it, let alone enjoy it. You KNOW Japan is big on Baseball, I guess I'm just pretty freakin' amazed at the attitudes of alot of people because of such a little thing. So we didn't win...so what? Get used to it. Not all games can be automatically won. No country OWNS a Sport, and no Country OWNS Baseball. You know what the REAL disgrace is, the elitest attitude everyone is showing as a result of this. You call yourself American?

Oh! Oh! Here's an idea! Instead of being an egotistical a-hole, howabout congratulating the Mexicans on defeating the "unbeatable and undeniable elite" Americans? Yeah, see, that's what's called TRUE SPORTSMANSHIP.

<hr /></blockquote>

Wow, you TOTALLY missed the point that I was making.

Baseball has always been referred to as "America's pastime/sport". It's been referred to that for over 100 years. THAT IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. NOT THAT USA IS BETTER THAN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES.

Just quoting a long-standing quote that is older than you and I. If you don't know the reason behind this quote and why I used it then I'm talking to a wall and this is not worth my time. However I'll try since I'm a nice guy. Abner Doubleday invented baseball in 1839 in NEW YORK. It's very possible he "edited" a British game called rounders though. Nonetheless, he was the founding father of the game we enjoy today. He was American, invented the game we see today on American soil (there have been changes, but the root of the game was there) and the first game was played in America. THAT IS WHY IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE AMERICAN PASTIME and why I referred to it as such. Not because I or other Americans are "elitests".

Next time before you jump down someone's throat, try to realize what they are actually saying instead of just assuming what they are saying...

PS - Also please don't question my patriotism either by stating "And you call yourself an American?".

**mjb2124** · 11-09-2003, 10:35 AM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Stoud said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
joeboo said:
Yeah that's pretty embarrasing. Baseball is said to be America's sport and we can't even compete for a medal in the Olympics.

<hr /></blockquote>

For crying out loud...

after what Lasorda said, I'm getting really tired of this "elitest" attitude. We didn't win the chance to go to the Olympics this time, so we aren't "the best" now, are we? Acting like a sport, especially Baseball, BELONGS to one specific country is like saying one specific country owns Chocolate and no other Country is allowed to use it, let alone enjoy it. You KNOW Japan is big on Baseball, I guess I'm just pretty freakin' amazed at the attitudes of alot of people because of such a little thing. So we didn't win...so what? Get used to it. Not all games can be automatically won. No country OWNS a Sport, and no Country OWNS Baseball. You know what the REAL disgrace is, the elitest attitude everyone is showing as a result of this. You call yourself American?

Oh! Oh! Here's an idea! Instead of being an egotistical a-hole, howabout congratulating the Mexicans on defeating the "unbeatable and undeniable elite" Americans? Yeah, see, that's what's called TRUE SPORTSMANSHIP.

<hr /></blockquote>

Wow, you TOTALLY missed the point that I was making.

Baseball has always been referred to as "America's pastime/sport". It's been referred to that for over 100 years. THAT IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. NOT THAT USA IS BETTER THAN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES.

Just quoting a long-standing quote that is older than you and I. If you don't know the reason behind this quote and why I used it then I'm talking to a wall and this is not worth my time. However I'll try since I'm a nice guy. Abner Doubleday invented baseball in 1839 in NEW YORK. It's very possible he "edited" a British game called rounders though. Nonetheless, he was the founding father of the game we enjoy today. He was American, invented the game we see today on American soil (there have been changes, but the root of the game was there) and the first game was played in America. THAT IS WHY IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE AMERICAN PASTIME and why I referred to it as such. Not because I or other Americans are "elitests".

Next time before you jump down someone's throat, try to realize what they are actually saying instead of just assuming what they are saying...

PS - Also please don't question my patriotism either by stating "And you call yourself an American?".

**kweiss** · 11-09-2003, 02:49 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

Seriously though, when the three stars of the team are Mike Lamb, Todd Williams, and Horacio Ramirez something is wrong. If all of the best U.S. players actually participated, everyone knows they would have blown away the competition.

**kweiss** · 11-09-2003, 02:49 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

Seriously though, when the three stars of the team are Mike Lamb, Todd Williams, and Horacio Ramirez something is wrong. If all of the best U.S. players actually participated, everyone knows they would have blown away the competition.

**kweiss** · 11-09-2003, 02:49 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

Seriously though, when the three stars of the team are Mike Lamb, Todd Williams, and Horacio Ramirez something is wrong. If all of the best U.S. players actually participated, everyone knows they would have blown away the competition.

**Stoud** · 11-09-2003, 04:43 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

Calm down, all I was saying is that it doesn't matter if "Baseball is as american as apple pie", it doesn't matter if an american invented it, it doesn't flipping matter. If we weren't better than Mexico to go to the Olympics this year, we obviously weren't good enough to WIN in the Olympics! It's a competition, and we didn't win the chance to play in it. So what? It's not that sad when you consider who was playing. After Hearing what LAsorda said, and then you, it got me really PO'd. I don't care what you say, the tone in which it was said and the tone in which Lasorda was saying it was that same old "America is the Best" tone. Why is it so sad that we got beaten by a better team? Sheez man, you still haven't congratulated them. I just don't get why its so "Sad" all of a sudden. Look at the team we had! we didn't DESERVE to win! I just don't view it as "such a tragedy", because it being a "tragedy" as many people (whether they admit it or not) make it out to be, would insinuate very easily that it was unfair that we didn't win.

1. Life isn't fair

2. You can't win every game

3. we lost, get over it

Next time an American team loses anything against a "foreign" team, try not to say things in almost (what I view as) a racial tone. All I can say to maybe get you understanding where I'm coming from at this point is this: Do you think the Mexican team right now is saying "poor americans, they deserved to win, it is afterall THEIR sport."?

**Stoud** · 11-09-2003, 04:43 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

Calm down, all I was saying is that it doesn't matter if "Baseball is as american as apple pie", it doesn't matter if an american invented it, it doesn't flipping matter. If we weren't better than Mexico to go to the Olympics this year, we obviously weren't good enough to WIN in the Olympics! It's a competition, and we didn't win the chance to play in it. So what? It's not that sad when you consider who was playing. After Hearing what LAsorda said, and then you, it got me really PO'd. I don't care what you say, the tone in which it was said and the tone in which Lasorda was saying it was that same old "America is the Best" tone. Why is it so sad that we got beaten by a better team? Sheez man, you still haven't congratulated them. I just don't get why its so "Sad" all of a sudden. Look at the team we had! we didn't DESERVE to win! I just don't view it as "such a tragedy", because it being a "tragedy" as many people (whether they admit it or not) make it out to be, would insinuate very easily that it was unfair that we didn't win.

1. Life isn't fair

2. You can't win every game

3. we lost, get over it

Next time an American team loses anything against a "foreign" team, try not to say things in almost (what I view as) a racial tone. All I can say to maybe get you understanding where I'm coming from at this point is this: Do you think the Mexican team right now is saying "poor americans, they deserved to win, it is afterall THEIR sport."?

**Stoud** · 11-09-2003, 04:43 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

Calm down, all I was saying is that it doesn't matter if "Baseball is as american as apple pie", it doesn't matter if an american invented it, it doesn't flipping matter. If we weren't better than Mexico to go to the Olympics this year, we obviously weren't good enough to WIN in the Olympics! It's a competition, and we didn't win the chance to play in it. So what? It's not that sad when you consider who was playing. After Hearing what LAsorda said, and then you, it got me really PO'd. I don't care what you say, the tone in which it was said and the tone in which Lasorda was saying it was that same old "America is the Best" tone. Why is it so sad that we got beaten by a better team? Sheez man, you still haven't congratulated them. I just don't get why its so "Sad" all of a sudden. Look at the team we had! we didn't DESERVE to win! I just don't view it as "such a tragedy", because it being a "tragedy" as many people (whether they admit it or not) make it out to be, would insinuate very easily that it was unfair that we didn't win.

1. Life isn't fair

2. You can't win every game

3. we lost, get over it

Next time an American team loses anything against a "foreign" team, try not to say things in almost (what I view as) a racial tone. All I can say to maybe get you understanding where I'm coming from at this point is this: Do you think the Mexican team right now is saying "poor americans, they deserved to win, it is afterall THEIR sport."?

**NYJets** · 11-09-2003, 04:51 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
kweiss said:
Seriously though, when the three stars of the team are Mike Lamb, Todd Williams, and Horacio Ramirez something is wrong. If all of the best U.S. players actually participated, everyone knows they would have blown away the competition.

<hr /></blockquote>

Exactly. I don't follow this all that much, but I assume the other Countries were all bringing there best players.

**NYJets** · 11-09-2003, 04:51 PM

Re: U.S. Baseball Team Fails to Make Olympics

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
kweiss said:
Seriously though, when the three stars of the team are Mike Lamb, Todd Williams, and Horacio Ramirez something is wrong. If all of the best U.S. players actually participated, everyone knows they would have blown away the competition.

<hr /></blockquote>

Exactly. I don't follow this all that much, but I assume the other Countries were all bringing there best players.

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