Why is it "okay" to cheat?

[Shady Mike]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

I'm going to be honest, I didn't even THINK about reading half of the paragraph posts in this thread. That's just me being honest. I just want to leave yall with this...

If an idea is stupid, but it works...it's not stupid. - somebody

Hello? You play to win the game - Herm Edwards

TO ME, I am utterly SHOCKED and disappointed to see people bashing the community and not the Million dollar company that is making the damn game. Maybe if they MADE you play actual basketball then we wouldn't have this problem. How about we get on 2K to implement basic rules of basketball before bashing the community for doing what the game allows. What a joke. If the game lets me, why tf would I NOT make a 7'0 SF? If the game lets me dunk on everyone just by walking side to side, why the hell would I just graciously decide to NOT do it...to get a win?...really? As competitive as people are?

Of course people are using exploits, so as a community lets get off of our asses and stop bleeping at each other and jump down 2K's throat until they fix it. I haven't played an online match of NBA 2K since 2K12. Why? because IMO that is when it stopped being basketball. I have never bought VC, and I don't support the MyTeam gamemode. Why? because I bought a BASKETBALL game, and I want to play BASKETBALL. What we see online, and on The Park is not BASKETBALL.

To be mad at the community for doing what it takes to win is an absolute joke, get mad at the people that actually have control of this ish. What a freaking joke. /Rant

[itchyroll_51]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

I'm going to be honest, I didn't even THINK about reading half of the paragraph posts in this thread. That's just me being honest. I just want to leave yall with this...

If an idea is stupid, but it works...it's not stupid. - somebody

Hello? You play to win the game - Herm Edwards

TO ME, I am utterly SHOCKED and disappointed to see people bashing the community and not the Million dollar company that is making the damn game. Maybe if they MADE you play actual basketball then we wouldn't have this problem. How about we get on 2K to implement basic rules of basketball before bashing the community for doing what the game allows. What a joke. If the game lets me, why tf would I NOT make a 7'0 SF? If the game lets me dunk on everyone just by walking side to side, why the hell would I just graciously decide to NOT do it...to get a win?...really? As competitive as people are?

Of course people are using exploits, so as a community lets get off of our asses and stop bleeping at each other and jump down 2K's throat until they fix it. I haven't played an online match of NBA 2K since 2K12. Why? because IMO that is when it stopped being basketball. I have never bought VC, and I don't support the MyTeam gamemode. Why? because I bought a BASKETBALL game, and I want to play BASKETBALL. What we see online, and on The Park is not BASKETBALL.

To be mad at the community for doing what it takes to win is an absolute joke, get mad at the people that actually have control of this ish. What a freaking joke. /Rant

Shady is right about this... We shouldn't be at each other about sim and cheese. The onus is on 2K to implement gameplay mechanics that remove cheese or exploits. I never get mad at the guy that zig zags, I am upset at the game for allowing it without penalty.

Sam Pham

[wiserbk]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

zig zag isn't an exploit. It was so effective 2k had to nerf it in a patch, but it's not an exploit. It's more related to user error on defense. Think about it, how would you guard someone in real life running frantically from side to side at the three point line that happen to be a good shooter? You would move laterally but only just enough so that you can contest when he shoots, but give enough space and angle yourself so that you can recover to between him and the basket just in case he tried to blow by you. You can do the SAME THING in nba 2k15. It's hard, but with enough practice it can be mastered. The only exception is if there is a large attribute gap between driver and defender. But in that situation a MYRIAD of moves can be made by driver to get an open shot or path to basket. The problem is people spend more time conplaining tan admitting to themselves that their defense isn't perfect. It's not an exploit and 2k will not penalize players for using it. It's an awkward play that can be countered by a skilled defender. Period.

[wiserbk]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

Give me a so called cheese and I will explain how to contour it. The only thing broken in this game is no ability to send offball teammates on cuts on offense. This makes offball defense extremely easy because you can memorize what the cpu offball offensive player can do, no dynamic movement, so you can pretty much play free safety on defense and recover real fast. In real life and in past 2k's you'd just send the player he's suppose to be defending on a cut and you'd have back door plays or quick hits for corner there's all day. This is the only "exploit" in the game. Everything else can be countered. Give me a cheese, I'll explain the counter.

[wiserbk]

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It's ironic you know. 2k is getting more realistic, which is forcing people to play better to compete. But instead of rejoicing in it and getting better, we are complaining to dumb it down. So the real question is, do sim gamers want an actual simulation in which they have to have elite basketball level skill to score and defend, or do they want a game that makes it easier for them to PRETEND they are elite basketballers who can score and defend. Hmmmmm.

[wiserbk]

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For example. The shot meter doesn't affect the gameplay whatsoever. It's an indicator that shows you what you already have been doing the past couple of years. 2k essentially dumbed down shooting so that people would shoot more. Now that people keep complaining about zig zag and baseline drives, maybe 2k will dumb down defense and add a DRIVE INDICATOR meter which shows you an arrow of the exact angle the offense player is driving and another arrow to show you which angle to use to beat him to the spot. And maybe the arrow can be color coded to show you what speed or l trigger & turbo modifier to use. Smh.

[Yesh2kdone]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

zig zag isn't an exploit. It was so effective 2k had to nerf it in a patch, but it's not an exploit. It's more related to user error on defense. Think about it, how would you guard someone in real life running frantically from side to side at the three point line that happen to be a good shooter? You would move laterally but only just enough so that you can contest when he shoots, but give enough space and angle yourself so that you can recover to between him and the basket just in case he tried to blow by you. You can do the SAME THING in nba 2k15. It's hard, but with enough practice it can be mastered. The only exception is if there is a large attribute gap between driver and defender. But in that situation a MYRIAD of moves can be made by driver to get an open shot or path to basket. The problem is people spend more time conplaining tan admitting to themselves that their defense isn't perfect. It's not an exploit and 2k will not penalize players for using it. It's an awkward play that can be countered by a skilled defender. Period.

I'm sorry, but this is impossible. I've played against guys who go left and right from one side of the court to the other, back and forth, just waiting for a half second gap to fire off a quick release 3 pointer.

That has absolutely nothing to do with good defence versus bad defence, that's just crazy, and providing cover for 2k's inability to address these problems just adds to the issue. I'm a decent defender - not the best ever, but I know I do a good job, but this left and right cheese is not an issue with human defence.

[Yesh2kdone]

Re: Why is it "okay" to cheat?

It's ironic you know. 2k is getting more realistic, which is forcing people to play better to compete. But instead of rejoicing in it and getting better, we are complaining to dumb it down. So the real question is, do sim gamers want an actual simulation in which they have to have elite basketball level skill to score and defend, or do they want a game that makes it easier for them to PRETEND they are elite basketballers who can score and defend. Hmmmmm.

I think people want a game where setting screens under the rim to collect the rebounds that your opponents left, right, shoot approach fails to convert, isn't actually a huge part of mypark.

It's not forcing people to play better, it's forcing people to go left, go right, and shoot.

[wiserbk]

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I'm sorry, but this is impossible. I've played against guys who go left and right from one side of the court to the other, back and forth, just waiting for a half second gap to fire off a quick release 3 pointer.

That has absolutely nothing to do with good defence versus bad defence, that's just crazy, and providing cover for 2k's inability to address these problems just adds to the issue. I'm a decent defender - not the best ever, but I know I do a good job, but this left and right cheese is not an issue with human defence.

Not inpossible. If it ends up working, the angle you took to contest the eventual shot was wrong or you overcommitted as he went in a direction and he lost you or if you are using Y to contest, you timed the block wrong. Like I said it's not easy to learn how to defend because it's awkward but it can be mastered. slunds like you just made up your mind and decided it can't be defended. Are you using just left stick, or just l trigger, or just L trigger and turbo or just turbo? Depending on how fast the ball handler is moving and if you picked the wrong angle you will need to use all of these movement modifiers to meet the ball handler at the exact point where you will contest the inevitable shot.

[wiserbk]

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I think people want a game where setting screens under the rim to collect the rebounds that your opponents left, right, shoot approach fails to convert, isn't actually a huge part of mypark.

It's not forcing people to play better, it's forcing people to go left, go right, and shoot.

Guess what. If people go left go right and shoot, and you defend it correctly, they will try something else, more than likely going baseline or GASP, use a screen! The reason people use zig zag so much is because it's the quickest to expose if someone doesn't have a mastery of on ball defense. If you do posses that mastery, it's actually funny to see them scrambling to find another tactic. The more people improve on defense, the more offense will evolve to counter UNLESS 2K starts dumbing down the system like they did with the terrible lock on defense they implemented years ago that let you guard point guards in the perimeter with centers.

[wiserbk]

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It's like you guys want people to use elite level offense to counter basic level defense. People will never stop using these awkward movements that exposes your non mastery of on ball defense until you get better and force them too. Period.

[Yesh2kdone]

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Not inpossible. If it ends up working, the angle you took to contest the eventual shot was wrong or you overcommitted as he went in a direction and he lost you or if you are using Y to contest, you timed the block wrong. Like I said it's not easy to learn how to defend because it's awkward but it can be mastered. slunds like you just made up your mind and decided it can't be defended. Are you using just left stick, or just l trigger, or just L trigger and turbo or just turbo? Depending on how fast the ball handler is moving and if you picked the wrong angle you will need to use all of these movement modifiers to meet the ball handler at the exact point where you will contest the inevitable shot.

I find using turbo against a player going to the left of the court, to the right of the court, to the left of the court is the quickest way to give your opponent the space he needs to pop off that 3. If you happen to press turbo just has he's turning back (again!) then you have no chance, so I use a mixture of left stick, and left stick/trigger to stay close to him, and I achieve a high amount of success, and I'll often get blocks, or well contested shot notices, but that's besides the point, an online experience where you're following a guy left to right, play after play doesn't make this a particularly enjoyable experience at times.

It's more like a waste of time than anything, so yeah, maybe I'm not the best defender on the park or even as good a defender as you (I've only been playing the game since fairly late in 2014), but is the problem with this aspect of the game, my inability to follow someone left and right constantly? I think that spectacularly misses the point of this left and right issue.

[wiserbk]

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You have to be prepare for the ball handler to drive in any random direction and still be in position to contest and recover for a hard drive to basket. It's a daunting task but if you want 2k to continue to give you guys total control of defender that's the way it's got to be. Once they start beefing ball handler (which they already have to a certain extant) and making defense more automated ( which they do to an extant depending on how high you jack up defensive assist) the game will cease to be a battle a player skill vs player skill and will instead be a battle of attribute. I don't want that. I like the direction they are headed in, added even more and more level of control every year. Next year I want offball offensive control. And pick controls the point you can set offball flare screens at will. Perfection!

[wiserbk]

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I find using turbo against a player going to the left of the court, to the right of the court, to the left of the court is the quickest way to give your opponent the space he needs to pop off that 3. If you happen to press turbo just has he's turning back (again!) then you have no chance, so I use a mixture of left stick, and left stick/trigger to stay close to him, and I achieve a high amount of success, and I'll often get blocks, or well contested shot notices, but that's besides the point, an online experience where you're following a guy left to right, play after play doesn't make this a particularly enjoyable experience at times.

It's more like a waste of time than anything, so yeah, maybe I'm not the best defender on the park or even as good a defender as you (I've only been playing the game since fairly late in 2014), but is the problem with this aspect of the game, my inability to follow someone left and right constantly? I think that spectacularly misses the point of this left and right issue.

Well first off if you never use turbo, you never get beat by a step and have to recover, which is highly doubtful in such a dynamic game. So you're guarding wrong. How else do I know you're guarding it wrong, you should be happy they are just going left to righ left to right, because that means it's something easy for you to guard and they eventually throw up a brick and you get the rebound.

And if the matter of left to right is not a defensive problem, you just don't want to play against lazy stupidity, guess what, in any online game you will find lazy stupidity. Ppl that are not as invested in getting as good as you will take the laziest route to compete. Some of them even if it doesn't work will continue doing it in a sad, lazy, way, just because it's all they've had success with. You can't expect nba 2k to penalize people for stupidity. They just give you the tools to penalize them with losses. They more you guys learn and help each other instead of complaining the more the bar will get higher online.

[wiserbk]

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You should be complaining on legit issues. Like send offball teammate on a cut being an advertised features in the manual and that has worked in previous games NOT WORKING! If you guys complained about that as much as you complained about zig zag cheese, shot clock cheese, or baseline cheese, all of which can be defended, they might actually fix the thing which is ACTUALLY broken.