SMH missing WIDE OPEN shots with shooters again

[Coldbilly]

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The amount of missed shots on Play Online is a bit ridiculous at times. I'm getting penalized for abusing people who can't play defense. Yet the games are close because other games issues like the excessive fast breaks, players losing the ball, and defensive AI at times. The game does a terrible job at deciding what goes in and what doesn't overall honestly.

I agree wit you 100% holmes because ain't no way Melo should miss 12-15 footers in his sweet spot but i have seen him miss those in Reallife so it is what it is!!!

[manu1433]

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posted this in another thread too:

Just ran a test myself in practice with CP3 on superstar/sim with no meter just feedback

shot 45 out of 50 from mid range with 33 green releases...used his hot zone at the top of the key

shot around 23 or 24 (lost track) our of 50 from 3 with 0 green releases....used his hotzone on the left wing

needs to be better balanced.....

it also gives creedence to my theory that when set on shot stick timing...3's are still real % and mid range is shot stick

[MeloNYK7]

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Has anyone got a green release on 3pt yet? I play on HOF and have yet to see one. It doesn't make sense if someone is a better 3pt shooter than mid range why would they get green releases on mid range easier?

[2_headedmonster]

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Game just came out...were basically in preseason. Just be glad you arent shooting like the nuggets are right now vs. the clippers. Yikes.

[stillfeelme]

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Has anyone got a green release on 3pt yet? I play on HOF and have yet to see one. It doesn't make sense if someone is a better 3pt shooter than mid range why would they get green releases on mid range easier?

Yeah I did a similar test with Bradley Beal, he has a 74 or something like that stand mid range rating and a 86 3pt rating. Yet in practice I can make him a better midrange shooter than 3pt shooter. I was not able to get a green release on 3pt shot. I did all my testing on SS Sim because that is what I play the CPU on.

I did it with Korver too I was almost able to get him a green release on the corner 3 but it looks like my foot is on the line. The corner 3's give you a better shot rating being that it is shorter.

[thevardano]

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posted this in another thread too:

Just ran a test myself in practice with CP3 on superstar/sim with no meter just feedback

shot 45 out of 50 from mid range with 33 green releases...used his hot zone at the top of the key

shot around 23 or 24 (lost track) our of 50 from 3 with 0 green releases....used his hotzone on the left wing

needs to be better balanced.....

it also gives creedence to my theory that when set on shot stick timing...3's are still real % and mid range is shot stick

It is very likely that you are right on this. I play SS Sim, I'm very good at getting open shots, but missing wide open threes with great shooters is something which feels so wrong. What if understand game of basketball better than NBA players and I'm able to get better looks than players do it in real life? Should I be penalized for this and miss wide open shots over and over again after creating great looks just because game thinks it would be too much? Is this how you stop my genius? lol I'm also big fan of real stats and I don't like exploits but "forced balance" is not much better.

Back to what you said about real %. I uped threes to 53 instead of 47 for testing this "issue" and it almost did not much of difference, which could prove your theory about real players %.

[2_headedmonster]

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It is very likely that you are right on this. I play SS Sim, I'm very good at getting open shots, but missing wide open threes with great shooters is something which feels so wrong. What if understand game of basketball better than NBA players and I'm able to get better looks than players do it in real life? Should I be penalized for this and miss wide open shots over and over again after creating great looks just because game thinks it would be too much? Is this how you stop my genius? lol I'm also big fan of real stats and I don't like exploits but "forced balance" is not much better.

Back to what you said about real %. I uped threes to 53 instead of 47 for testing this "issue" and it almost did not much of difference, which could prove your theory about real players %.

Most nba threes taken are "open" and even the best miss 60% of those.

I understand freestyle is the best place for replicable situations with no variables. But the game wasn't tuned for freestyle. If i was to assume the percentages being reported are representative of what a wide open game shot would yield, i lm not seeing the difficulty problem. But then that would be an assumption on my part..

I suggest those concerned play a few games, track some shots and percentages and we can accurately measure what everyone is seeing.

[jinntu]

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posted this in another thread too:

Just ran a test myself in practice with CP3 on superstar/sim with no meter just feedback

shot 45 out of 50 from mid range with 33 green releases...used his hot zone at the top of the key

shot around 23 or 24 (lost track) our of 50 from 3 with 0 green releases....used his hotzone on the left wing

needs to be better balanced.....

it also gives creedence to my theory that when set on shot stick timing...3's are still real % and mid range is shot stick

There's nothing wrong with the shooting....According to NBA stat tracking CP3s wide open (no defender within 6 feet of him) 3pt percentage is ~40%. You shot 46-48%.

He shoots 52%wide open from mid ranged. You shot 90%. So...actually both percentages are higher than they should.

[manu1433]

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There's nothing wrong with the shooting....According to NBA stat tracking CP3s wide open (no defender within 6 feet of him) 3pt percentage is ~40%. You shot 46-48%.

He shoots 52%wide open from mid ranged. You shot 90%. So...actually both percentages are higher than they should.

Read the last couple of lines of my post

My post is about the imbalance

Nobody should be hitting 90 percent on anything but a layup or a free throw

My post said 3s were realistic while midrange is absolute cheese if somebody is open... I'm saying that 3s are based on real percentages while every thing else is shot stick

It doesn't make much sense for that type of imbalance to exist otherwise

And honestly....if it is the slider for 3, they have it super close to real percentages...if they can do that with 3s should be able to fine tune mid range as well

[jinntu]

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Read the last couple of lines of my post

My post is about the imbalance

Nobody should be hitting 90 percent on anything but a layup or a free throw

My post said 3s were realistic while midrange is absolute cheese if somebody is open... I'm saying that 3s are based on real percentages while every thing else is shot stick

It doesn't make much sense for that type of imbalance to exist otherwise

And honestly....if it is the slider for 3, they have it super close to real percentages...if they can do that with 3s should be able to fine tune mid range as well

You're right I misread. I agree the mid-ranged has to be tightened up. I thought you were continuing this idea that too many open shots are being missed and that's what I was trying to disprove. You're definitely correct about the ridiculous disparity in mid-ranged percentage though. Hell even layups shouldn't be 90% the best inside scorers only hit ~70-75% of their open 0-6 foot shots.

[Drewski]

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The amount of missed shots on Play Online is a bit ridiculous at times. I'm getting penalized for abusing people who can't play defense. Yet the games are close because other games issues like the excessive fast breaks, players losing the ball, and defensive AI at times. The game does a terrible job at deciding what goes in and what doesn't overall honestly.

Exactamundo. I'm picking defenses apart on Play Now Online but am losing games or barely winning because of this kind of stuff. I've played about 18 games now in this mode and its definitely discouraging. I run plays. I run pick and roll. Ive worked on release timing in practice modes.

It's like I have to play perfect, and somehow survive the insane amount of random happenings that kill possessions to even have a shot at a W while terrible shot selection and bailouts keep my opponents offense ahead.

[ekferio]

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I feel that the shot meter should reflect more green releases on wide open 3's if the CPU seems to rarely miss them in the same situation

[skitzy129]

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Exactamundo. I'm picking defenses apart on Play Now Online but am losing games or barely winning because of this kind of stuff. I've played about 18 games now in this mode and its definitely discouraging. I run plays. I run pick and roll. Ive worked on release timing in practice modes.

It's like I have to play perfect, and somehow survive the insane amount of random happenings that kill possessions to even have a shot at a W while terrible shot selection and bailouts keep my opponents offense ahead.

I haven't had this experience whatsoever in about 30 games of Play Now. The input lag (still) is the worst thing I've seen this year.

My shooters percentages are quite lifelike at the end of the day. Missing some open, making some contested. It all averages out correctly, and shooters do miss wide open shots in real life. It shouldn't be a guarantee, or even 70% really.

[Drewski]

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I haven't had this experience whatsoever in about 30 games of Play Now. The input lag (still) is the worst thing I've seen this year.

My shooters percentages are quite lifelike at the end of the day. Missing some open, making some contested. It all averages out correctly, and shooters do miss wide open shots in real life. It shouldn't be a guarantee, or even 70% really.

Not expecting a guarantee by any means. To be clear, I'm talking Play Now Online, not just Play now.

I'll just keep banging my head into this wall and accept that I'm doing something terribly wrong.

[VegasBartender]

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The shooting is clearly broken and its not even an argument. I mentioned this before but a moderator got annoyed by me mentioning it and closed my thread.

Several times in every game I play against the computer I am missing wide open shots. I work the ball around beautifully to a open player at the 3 point line or mid range and all I get is a clank. When I say wide open I mean nobody within 15 feet. The icing on the cake is when the CPU comes down court after getting the rebound from my missed shot and draining an all net 3 or jumper thats being contested. This has happened so many times that I stopped getting angry.