player on-court movement issues

[Jrocc23]

Re: player on-court movement issues

I don't think I've ever seen this thread. And I was thinking that I was tripping all this time. Definitely not just a 2K cam issue.

Hopefully, the issue is found and a patch is released asap. I've been craving to play my MyCareer. It's unplayable for me.

[dewaldo]

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There is unquestionably input lag in 2K16, moreso than other years but it's always been an issue. It ruins the game for me.

Go play a modern shooter like Battlefront and notice how snappy your character movements are in relation to your stick movements. Smooth as butter. Do the same thing in 2K and you'll realize it takes a small fraction of time for your player to respond. While a small fraction of lag (50-100ms) may not sound like much, it makes all the difference in terms of the feel of the game. Particularly on defense when you are trying to react to quick player movements, but also when chaining together dribble moves or doing a quick pump fake before a drive.

I am guessing that the 2K graphics engine is not quite up to par, so in order to render graphics at 60fps at a high resolution, the game has to 'pre-render' what is happening on the court using input delay. This is similar to what GTA does. Only it is much bigger of an issue in a sports game. Clearly input lag is not an issue to 2K developers since they've allowed it to be present in online modes all of these years. Now it is creeping into offline play which is simply unacceptable. Games are about feel not looks, get with it 2K.

[keshunleon]

Re: player on-court movement issues

https://youtu.be/onGpiBVBcM4

https://youtu.be/oIU1S60Ge14

https://youtu.be/KPgd3QDuyhQ

https://youtu.be/a5U7zDbdUSA

https://youtu.be/T--v91KItXE

The 1st video with Steph is one of my biggest complaints with 2K16.

I call it the invisible defender and it only happens to the user and never to the CPU.

[ch46647]

Re: player on-court movement issues

https://youtu.be/onGpiBVBcM4

https://youtu.be/oIU1S60Ge14

https://youtu.be/KPgd3QDuyhQ

https://youtu.be/a5U7zDbdUSA

https://youtu.be/T--v91KItXE

This is the best post I have seen on 2K16! This encompasses all the problems I have with the game. If the developers could solve all these wonky dribbling "hesitations" and CPU defenders "force field walls" this would be my favorite sports game of all-time. As it stands now, these issues are killing the experience for me. I have tried every slider set, including turning on-ball defense to 0 and all the contact shot sliders to 0. This helps a little, but the issues still consistantly happen.

I am SOOOO happy that Beluba has commented on this. It is hard for me to believe the developers haven't noticed this, but maybe they can come through with a miracle on patch 4.

Here is to hoping!!!

[ch46647]

Re: player on-court movement issues

There is unquestionably input lag in 2K16, moreso than other years but it's always been an issue. It ruins the game for me.

Go play a modern shooter like Battlefront and notice how snappy your character movements are in relation to your stick movements. Smooth as butter. Do the same thing in 2K and you'll realize it takes a small fraction of time for your player to respond. While a small fraction of lag (50-100ms) may not sound like much, it makes all the difference in terms of the feel of the game. Particularly on defense when you are trying to react to quick player movements, but also when chaining together dribble moves or doing a quick pump fake before a drive.

I am guessing that the 2K graphics engine is not quite up to par, so in order to render graphics at 60fps at a high resolution, the game has to 'pre-render' what is happening on the court using input delay. This is similar to what GTA does. Only it is much bigger of an issue in a sports game. Clearly input lag is not an issue to 2K developers since they've allowed it to be present in online modes all of these years. Now it is creeping into offline play which is simply unacceptable. Games are about feel not looks, get with it 2K.

Great post

[psydefx]

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The 1st video with Steph is one of my biggest complaints with 2K16.

I call it the invisible defender and it only happens to the user and never to the CPU.

but that's not how you do a crossover in 2k - you need to be lined up with your defender and time it right for it to work. guy would have been better off with a change of direction in that situation. the only thing he was crossing over was thin air.

you guys are trippin'. if you use the crossovers right they work fine.

[The 24th Letter]

player on-court movement issues

The crossover he did in the first video was fine....but that hesitation is user error. I do that cross over 4-5 times a game with no problem....this cross over in particular was even touched on the dribble thread.....

I stopped the video around the time he started talking about elephants and 'doo doo' so maybe I missed something in particular....but I can't stand videos like this because they are a crutch to blame the game. w/o learning how things work

[BegBy]

Re: player on-court movement issues

The crossover he did in the first video was fine....but that hesitation is user error. I do that cross over 4-5 times a game with no problem....this cross over in particular was even touched on the dribble thread.....

I stopped the video around the time he started talking about elephants and 'doo doo' so maybe I missed something in particular....but I can't stand videos like this because they are a crutch to blame the game. w/o learning how things work

How is the hesitation user error? It basically happens any time you do a cross pretty close to the timeline. A defender doesn't even have to be close to you, it just happens.

I'm not being argumentative, I'm just wondering how it's my fault for what seems to be a punishment for pressing a button because I'm on a certain spot on the floor.

[The 24th Letter]

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How is the hesitation user error? It basically happens any time you do a cross pretty close to the timeline. A defender doesn't even have to be close to you, it just happens.

I'm not being argumentative, I'm just wondering how it's my fault for what seems to be a punishment for pressing a button because I'm on a certain spot on the floor.

It's not punishment, it's additional input after the initial RS flick- we talk about it on the 3 page of this thread....

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ble-moves.html

Not near my PS4, but as always I'll be happy to show it first hand, no hesitation- it's a move I use quite a lot from that distance

[ballin91]

Re: player on-court movement issues

Thanks for the feedback and videos. It helps to understand exactly what you guys are seeing and text can be misleading. So keep them coming if you're experiencing something different. A few things:

- The bug where you lose control of your player for a couple seconds on changes of possession in 2K Cam has been found and will be addressed.

- If you're experiencing unwanted movement from defensive assist, you'll want to lay off of L2 or LT while playing defense online. Holding L2/LT down activates assist online even if you zero out the setting.

- the other issues being mentioned (input lag, unwanted cuts, etc.) are being investigated.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CONCERN and thank you everyone!!! I thought no one will reply in my thread !!! i will post a vid as soon as i can. i play broadcast camera in ps4. sometimes, when my player steals a ball directly from the cpu (not a steal from a pass but a direct steal from the ball handler), it's a fastbreak and i move or attack directly to the rim... it always goes to the sidelines for some reason even if i direct my analogue stick towards the basket. it is very stiff and "uncontrolable"... i will play by tomorrow and post a vid asap. i play myLeague

[ballin91]

Re: player on-court movement issues

If you could post a video it would be very helpful.

Thanks for the feedback and videos. It helps to understand exactly what you guys are seeing and text can be misleading. So keep them coming if you're experiencing something different. A few things:

- The bug where you lose control of your player for a couple seconds on changes of possession in 2K Cam has been found and will be addressed.

- If you're experiencing unwanted movement from defensive assist, you'll want to lay off of L2 or LT while playing defense online. Holding L2/LT down activates assist online even if you zero out the setting.

- the other issues being mentioned (input lag, unwanted cuts, etc.) are being investigated.

i couldn't wait any longer. it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does..... this is just mild though... there are times that if i keep on moving the analog stick, it will go out of bounds. AND MY CONTROLLER IS NOT BROKEN check it out and take note that i am moving beverly towards the hoop... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71KrIhq2NGg ---> change the speed setting of the youtube video to 0.5 and view at 480 or 720

it goes to the sidelines during fastbreaks.
during half-court basketball offense or defense, movement is fluid just one sided. meaning when i go up, it is fluid but stiff and "uncontrolable" going down... it switches when i'm at the other side of the court. fluid going down, stiff and "uncontrolable" going up...

goodbye fastbreak
*notes: PS4, myLeague, broadcast cam, all settings/sliders are set to default except the steal just so i can show the self-broken fastbreak

[Drejor]

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i couldn't wait any longer. it doesn't happen all the time, but when it does..... this is just mild though... there are times that if i keep on moving the analog stick, it will go out of bounds. AND MY CONTROLLER IS NOT BROKEN check it out... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71KrIhq2NGg ---> change the speed setting of the youtube video to 0.5

it goes to the sidelines during fastbreaks.
during half-court basketball offense or defense, movement is fluid just one sided. meaning when i go up, it is fluid but stiff and "uncontrolable" going down... it switches when i'm at the other side of the court. fluid going down, stiff and "uncontrolable" going up...

goodbye fastbreak
*notes: PS4, myLeague, broadcast cam, all settings/sliders are set to default except the steal just so i can show the self-broken fastbreak

Yeeees exactly...

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[The 24th Letter]

Re: player on-court movement issues

Good video ballin, going to see if I can duplicate this on broadcast as well

[ballin91]

Re: player on-court movement issues

Good video ballin, going to see if I can duplicate this on broadcast as well

it doesn't happen all the time man... but oh man, when it does... fastbreak
had to do it a couple of times before i nailed one. i'm trying to make another video of it now and the half court STIFF movement issues

[The 24th Letter]

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it doesn't happen all the time man... but oh man, when it does... fastbreak
had to do it a couple of times before i nailed one. i'm trying to make another video of it now and the half court STIFF movement issues

It not happening every time is good info to share as well to get to the bottom of it....I know from reading it myself I was under the impression it happened on every steal

I'll do a couple to get a good sample size