Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

[HowDareI]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

The thing I miss about 2K11 mostly, seeing as how other than the past couple years you could do the most online with your player, was how you could be whatever you wanted to be.

It's just not realistic that every player you encounter online is the same 3 styles:
7'3 inside/outside center, they either sit in the paint under the rim, or do guard crosses to shoot 3's on your big man who can't defend dribbles like that.
6'5 outside guards, you know what they do...nothing but zig zag iso moves for three.
And then the short guards. Who can apparently dunk on anybody...try to lock em up..ain't happening. They'll just do a speed boost past you after spamming dribbles.

I wanna make my 6'8 three and d wing player again. He was basically a sniper on offense, with the ability to drive once the defense closed too hard. And on defense he locked down anyone. But at the cost of speed and athleticism.
Now the difference is...they listen to casuals WAY TOO MUCH now, and you can't even stick D like you used to when the game first came out.

They need to not only address these crappy bucket systems, but also who they listen to the most.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

@howdareI You're right man. When they actually listened and catered to us who enjoy sim ball, we had great basketball game and a hard one (for casuals). When i played online 2K16 (quick games) i encountered these things:

* childish voice on microphone
* user plays starting 5 whole game without subbing
* user mostly plays with quick, athletic players
* main go to move is long inbound pass for a quick dunk or free throws at least
* rarely play calling even if called still doing same things

I could see this scenario coming when 2K decided to build their half casual/half sim environment, in order to make more $$$. In reality that environment doesn't work because either game must be sim or casual orientated. Trying to please 2 different groups & styles of playing is never going to create middle ground for both to be satisfied.

[Breakstarter]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

The thing I miss about 2K11 mostly, seeing as how other than the past couple years you could do the most online with your player, was how you could be whatever you wanted to be.

It's just not realistic that every player you encounter online is the same 3 styles:
7'3 inside/outside center, they either sit in the paint under the rim, or do guard crosses to shoot 3's on your big man who can't defend dribbles like that.
6'5 outside guards, you know what they do...nothing but zig zag iso moves for three.
And then the short guards. Who can apparently dunk on anybody...try to lock em up..ain't happening. They'll just do a speed boost past you after spamming dribbles.

I wanna make my 6'8 three and d wing player again. He was basically a sniper on offense, with the ability to drive once the defense closed too hard. And on defense he locked down anyone. But at the cost of speed and athleticism.
Now the difference is...they listen to casuals WAY TOO MUCH now, and you can't even stick D like you used to when the game first came out.

They need to not only address these crappy bucket systems, but also who they listen to the most.

Facts bro...Im tired of all these casuals watering down the game by crying about cheaters, and caps, and there's no defense, and why do you want a guy who can do everything...I thought the whole point of an NBA player was to get as well rounded as he possibly can, even surpass what people thought he was capable of regardless of which style he started his career as.

I mean if you listen to people on this forum and the amount of "Likes" these clowns get on they're ridiculous posts, you'd think the mindset behind 2k devs should go like this:

Lebron starts of his career as an athletic wing player
So this means he shouldnt be able to cash out from three and shouldnt get great at shooting mid ranges because of his plays style

Kobe starts off as a scoring guard, so that means he can't become an all around 2 way superstar.

Kawhi Leonard Starts of as a defensive specialist, but can't turn into a two superstar.

My point is all these players through time and effort were able to better their game to be well rounded players, but it seems like from what i've been hearing from quite a few folks is that they dont want mycareer players to be able to be great at everything. Just specialize in whatever it is you start off at and maybe make a slight improvement in certain areas...but never be great than whatever it is that you started off with for the sake of having "UNIQUE" play styles...

I personally disagree with that line of thinking.

It's only going to take a youtube video to exploit which player build is the best and people will just run with it. There will be no distinction online honestly. Everybody will be using the same jumpshots as well as player builds to have the advantage online. I personally like it the way that it is. It's straight and to the point for me. I just need SG's and SF's to get buffed a bit in 2k17.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

My point is all these players through time and effort were able to better their game to be well rounded players, but it seems like from what i've been hearing from quite a few folks is that they dont want mycareer players to be able to be great at everything. Just specialize in whatever it is you start off at and maybe make a slight improvement in certain areas...but never be great than whatever it is that you started off with for the sake of having "UNIQUE" play styles...

Ofcourse all the guys you named improved over their respective careers, that is point of competitive professional sport. If guys are going to be same at end of their careers just like they were in high school i guess nobody would watch sport like that. Point is LeBron, Kawhi or Kobe didn't cashed in 100.000 $ to improve their perimeter defense, rebounding or field goal %. In real world for some player it takes 2-3 to improve certain game aspects, for some it takes in early 30's better known as 'late bloomers', while some decline over the course of their careers.

All those things are uncertain and draw people to watch sports just to see if Ingram would hone his skills further and lead some franchise or what will happen with Michael Beasley, once a college prodigy, would he rejuvenate his career or will he ever be impact player in his career. Who would guessed guy named Isaiah Thomas 60th pick would lead Celtics this year into playoffs ?

Things like that are in real life but in video game it's different thing, i would also like to get my player to all around perfection over mycareer and ofcourse i would consider each bucket or each rebound meaningful in system where every single move is valued and closely monitored. People are annoyed because without any real effort i pull out my American Express card, put on 100.000 VC and build player (like no other lol) in couple of minutes.

[Korrupted]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Breakstarter your post was on point man. We had the do it all players in 2k15 with the 7'0 Small Forwards but people complained on here so 2k decided to bring attribute caps back. 2K listened to the casuals and here we are a year later and the same folks are complaining. Its a never ending cycle. Even after adding 3 seconds in the key and illegal screens...people still complain about Centers. It's crazy smh

[Breakstarter]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

LOL this is the biggest joke I've seen on here in a while...The Park, Pro-AM, Rec are some of the most casual oriented modes in the game. Guys aren't putting any real work into their guys they're taking online, lowering the difficulty to rookie/casual and stat/badge chasing and buying VC doesn't count, the majority online dudes are the epitome of casual. Some of the biggest mouths in the push to get these caps were ONLINE players. There needs to be separation of atrrtibutes(no caps) as well as online/offline MyPlayers. Offline can do whatever they want(buy VC/SP, adjust sliders and difficulty etc) and online players start out as a 65-70 and earn every little bit they get from actually playing games online.

And those aren't the casuals; the casuals are the one that want to go out and try to dominate on a virtual basketball court and win useless bragging rights in video game.

What THE HELL are you talking about? I've grinded on 3 different centers to see which play style is best for me with at least 60 badges each and you wanna sit here and tell me I'm a casual for doing so? I'm sorry but nobody has time to sit here and go back and forth with you on video game ethics but at the end of the day you feel how you feel, and i know how i feel. Clearly you don't play competitive online basketball and you feel some sort of way for folks who don't play mycareer on HOF difficulty.

Not everyone has patience to feel cheated by the cpu after a hard days work.
I come home and if I'm not spending time with my girl or my family i jump on here. You might be a bit younger than me, so you can go ahead and spend countless hours cussing at the game on why the game keeps cheating you. I'll play on rookie, get my badges, so i can do what i really want to do. Play online with my online buddies and try and dominate the competition.

[Vroman]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Breakstarter your post was on point man. We had the do it all players in 2k15 with the 7'0 Small Forwards but people complained on here so 2k decided to bring attribute caps back. 2K listened to the casuals and here we are a year later and the same folks are complaining. Its a never ending cycle. Even after adding 3 seconds in the key and illegal screens...people still complain about Centers. It's crazy smh

And this year its a BIG leap forward with the caps. 7'0, max wingspan small forwards were so much more ridiculous than any exploit in 2k16 .
Problem with the centers are not actual 7'3 center attributes, but the lack of such for the smaller height ones. Speed and quickness difference must be higher.
Offensive 3seconds rule is broken in mypark, its more like 8 seconds. It was really great when they introduced , but it literally doesn't exist now. Bad screens rule is very much needed as well, glad its here. Just sometimes there is really questionable call for it when u established screen for a second, but better this than everybody tackling defender down .

[spreadthem]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

@Breakstarter

You're the reason why 2k is a bunch of cheesers. Spending a day or two on Rookie Casual to get badges isn't grinding, its exploiting a flaw in the system. If that wasn't possible you would have no badges because you're clearly not cut out for HOF or the CPU having any advantage over you.

You dominate that online game with your rookie casual badges while I sit in my Terminal 23 that I played every single game in an 82 games season to get, while I have completed 88 practices, while I have played over 250 games on HOF so that everything I have achieved is legit. Rookie casual and unlimited 3's and perfect releases doesn't exist in real life so don't even claim it's grinding. Grinding is playing the game the way its meant to be played so you earn VC and you earn badges according to your playstyle.

One of the easiest badges to get is behind the back and I still don't have it because I don't do behind the back moves. I'm not gonna sit there and spam behind the back all for the sake of a badge.

I have my 2 rings, rookie of the year, 3 All-star and 2 MVP finals and season MVP awards to help me sleep at night while you have 3 centres that stand in the paint in park or pro am holding a screen then jumping for a rebound to putback. Probably that much of a cheeser you haven't even upgraded rebounding by anything.

SMH you are the definition of a casual.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Lol i could never play on rookie, anything below all-star is hell nah for me. Surely hall of fame can be annoying at times with all that CPU miracle plays but superstar and all-star are way to go if you are at least semi competitive person.

2K needs in future to make unable to earn rep or badges by playing on rookie and pro. Game is still easy even without these 2 difficulties.

[jfsolo]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

@howdareI You're right man. When they actually listened and catered to us who enjoy sim ball, we had great basketball game and a hard one (for casuals). When i played online 2K16 (quick games) i encountered these things:

* childish voice on microphone
* user plays starting 5 whole game without subbing
* user mostly plays with quick, athletic players
* main go to move is long inbound pass for a quick dunk or free throws at least
* rarely play calling even if called still doing same things

I could see this scenario coming when 2K decided to build their half casual/half sim environment, in order to make more $$$. In reality that environment doesn't work because either game must be sim or casual orientated. Trying to please 2 different groups & styles of playing is never going to create middle ground for both to be satisfied.

Their sim/casual hybridization game has garnered them unprecedented sales, and I would guess profit as well. Having both customer bases upset about some things seems to be working out great for them unfortunately.

[spreadthem]

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Lol i could never play on rookie, anything below all-star is hell nah for me. Surely hall of fame can be annoying at times with all that CPU miracle plays but superstar and all-star are way to go if you are at least semi competitive person.

2K needs in future to make unable to earn rep or badges by playing on rookie and pro. Game is still easy even without these 2 difficulties.

Its like a few years ago in FIFA for your be a pro player you couldn't unlock certain upgrades unless you played on a certain difficulty so it was like +2 Speed when you play 10 games on world class or higher. +3 shot power when you score 10 goals on professional or higher. They should do with badges play on All-Star or higher to get killer crossover. Play on Superstar or higher to get limitless range. That sort of thing, get all these part time noobs actually playing the game mode that park is intended for you to play. This way you can't just run to the corner and shoot a 3 and get a green release every time and have limitless range in 3 games. Its a 20 game graft or more depending on how your looks are.

I admit I did rookie casual for corner specialist because the game has a defensive flaw that you are never left wide open in the corner and you may be free maybe 1 in 100 times of spotting up there so the shooting 40% for the last 10 3's was impossible on HOF. I only did that because a Pro-Am owner was being a little b*tch about badges and wouldn't let me play without it.

[Breakstarter]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Its like a few years ago in FIFA for your be a pro player you couldn't unlock certain upgrades unless you played on a certain difficulty so it was like +2 Speed when you play 10 games on world class or higher. +3 shot power when you score 10 goals on professional or higher. They should do with badges play on All-Star or higher to get killer crossover. Play on Superstar or higher to get limitless range. That sort of thing, get all these part time noobs actually playing the game mode that park is intended for you to play. This way you can't just run to the corner and shoot a 3 and get a green release every time and have limitless range in 3 games. Its a 20 game graft or more depending on how your looks are.

I admit I did rookie casual for corner specialist because the game has a defensive flaw that you are never left wide open in the corner and you may be free maybe 1 in 100 times of spotting up there so the shooting 40% for the last 10 3's was impossible on HOF. I only did that because a Pro-Am owner was being a little b*tch about badges and wouldn't let me play without it.

He wasnt being a bitch, he was just making sure your bum *** wouldn't start bricking shots in the Pro Am when it mattered. No one cares about your grind buddy...just make sure you have those badges cadet.

[spreadthem]

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He wasnt being a bitch, he was just making sure your bum *** wouldn't start bricking shots in the Pro Am when it mattered. No one cares about your grind buddy...just make sure you have those badges cadet.

Yeah my 94 3pt shooting is gonna make me brick shots quite often from the corner...

You mean you don't care about the grind because all you wanna do is get the old credit card out, buy some nice 88 overall, rookie casual for about 6 hours then hit the park because you're a 'baller'.

It's funny you said 3 centres because centres are the definition of cheesing the game. You probably have 3 7'3" centres, one inside, one outside and one balanced and just stand under the rim and spam Jamal Crawford from outside the 3 because Yao Ming moves like Kyrie so why can't you? Right? Oh no wait, he doesn't.

You actually sat back and tried to call people casual gamers for playing the game the way it's intended, stop embarrassing yourself.

Attributes individualised please. Caps on all big men using size ups and cheese dribble moves. Caps on big men using high jumping quick releases. Heavier caps on big men vertical. End the big man cheesing nightmare 2K.

[dnyce87]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

Breakstarter your post was on point man. We had the do it all players in 2k15 with the 7'0 Small Forwards but people complained on here so 2k decided to bring attribute caps back. 2K listened to the casuals and here we are a year later and the same folks are complaining. Its a never ending cycle. Even after adding 3 seconds in the key and illegal screens...people still complain about Centers. It's crazy smh

There was never a comeback of attribute caps to begin with. Harsh attribute caps were introduced in this year's game. Also, this is a SIM forum website so for you to say that 2k listened to the casuals and talking about "We had the do it all player in the 7'0 SF in 2k15", how many more oxymorons you going to present here? Casual players don't ask for a fair and balanced system.

There is a difference between a casual player and a SIM player and I think you're getting that mixed up so allow me:

A casual player is someone who does not want to spend any more time on a game than they have to in order to enjoy it. They're easy-going when playing the game and don't care of the outcome. They'll usually play on lower difficulties, change sliders, etc to play for fun.

A SIM player is someone who wants the most realistic outcome of what the NBA is in the video game. This could go as far as running plays, defensive settings, playing on a higher difficulty, changing sliders, etc to produce the most realistic outcomes.

I hope that clears it up for you.

[Breakstarter]

Re: Petition to ungroup MyPlayer Attributes for 2017

There was never a comeback of attribute caps to begin with. Harsh attribute caps were introduced in this year's game. Also, this is a SIM forum website so for you to say that 2k listened to the casuals and talking about "We had the do it all player in the 7'0 SF in 2k15", how many more oxymorons you going to present here? Casual players don't ask for a fair and balanced system.

There is a difference between a casual player and a SIM player and I think you're getting that mixed up so allow me:

A casual player is someone who does not want to spend any more time on a game than they have to in order to enjoy it. They're easy-going when playing the game and don't care of the outcome. They'll usually play on lower difficulties, change sliders, etc to play for fun.

A SIM player is someone who wants the most realistic outcome of what the NBA is in the video game. This could go as far as running plays, defensive settings, playing on a higher difficulty, changing sliders, etc to produce the most realistic outcomes.

I hope that clears it up for you.

Hell nah bruh...you tripping. I actually believe the casuals are the guys like you who dont play competitive online basketball and are completely content playing offline with your buddies. That's cool, but don't get mad when people out here are trying to win at whatever cost during an online match. The thing you fail to realize is, through trial and error, elite players like myself and others see almost every tactic and "cheese" moves countless times in matches and we build counter moves to those cheese moves, and then have a counter for whatever counter the person pulls next. This is Chess my guy NOT CHECKERS.

The Sim VS Cheese debate is old and tired and I'm not going to go down that road with you or anyone else. Just stop your whining about casual players because that's what the majority of posters are on OS.

Ya'll Don't respect people who don't have the time to sit and play a million games online all day. in a 24 hour day, I just don't have the time to dedicate hours upon hours grinding on a video game, clearly you do. More power to you my friend, but i'm gonna keep doing what i do.

Yeah my 94 3pt shooting is gonna make me brick shots quite often from the corner...

You mean you don't care about the grind because all you wanna do is get the old credit card out, buy some nice 88 overall, rookie casual for about 6 hours then hit the park because you're a 'baller'.

It's funny you said 3 centres because centres are the definition of cheesing the game. You probably have 3 7'3" centres, one inside, one outside and one balanced and just stand under the rim and spam Jamal Crawford from outside the 3 because Yao Ming moves like Kyrie so why can't you? Right? Oh no wait, he doesn't.

You actually sat back and tried to call people casual gamers for playing the game the way it's intended, stop embarrassing yourself.

Attributes individualised please. Caps on all big men using size ups and cheese dribble moves. Caps on big men using high jumping quick releases. Heavier caps on big men vertical. End the big man cheesing nightmare 2K.

I currently play with a 6'11 center and i kill in the pro am. I really don't understand you...what are you, like 12 years old? trial and error my friend...that's how you get to know which player best suits you. 7'3 is just not for me..i'd rather be smaller so can run faster and help out on defense and getting to rebounds quicker. but what the hell do i know? If i leave it up to you, I'm some 7'3 Jamal Crawford who shoots 3's all day...

I said play competitive online basketball..meaning my Pro Am team is highly ranked on Xbox...so if i'm shooting 3's all day for my team and I'm the center, who's grabbing my rebounds? my PG? My 2 guard?...you sound ridiculous. I play my position, but i'm nasty on the sticks so i make my position look good. If you watched me play you'd question if i was a big man or a tall small forward...any ways i'm off this.