This is crazy frustrating but I think you just have to play almost 50-50 on-ball and off-ball defense to make it work this year. You HAVE to move players back into their spots proactively or else the CPU will just wander off and take up terrible positions.
What Exactly makes it where a player just walks off their man?
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This is crazy frustrating but I think you just have to play almost 50-50 on-ball and off-ball defense to make it work this year. You HAVE to move players back into their spots proactively or else the CPU will just wander off and take up terrible positions. -
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1. I've noticed if you have Love or Nowitzki etc on your team and they're trailing up the court they will always be left wide open for a 3, it's as if the defender waits for them in the post or something?
2. I wish we could adjust defensive settings such as whether to go over/under on the pick and whether to hedge etc in the menu BEFORE the game. I'm referring mostly to Play Now Online at this point.
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I think you're confusing defensive principles with the outcomes of defensive efforts in 2K16.I don't what else to say here. I guess the answer to my question to this (even from last year) is that gamers do want NBA2K to have its own reality.
- Should Player defensive attributes matter?
- If defensive breakdowns are unnacceptable then why have individual defensive ratings?
If some of you want the defensive settings to always work, no matter what the team, or player rating, then maybe it should not be Sim?
I don't understand what you all want. It doesn't sound realistic to me, for every team and CPU teammate you play with to be the equivalent of the Bad Boy Pistons when in reality, that is not the case.
If we don't want ultimate realism then can we say that?
There are things done in 2K by the CPU that makes absolutely no sense. Things that would get you time next to coach. Things that are done by the 13th & 14th guy on NBA rosters (maybe). Things that they do so the coach can't risk giving them any real pt.
Those things are done by the likes of Kawhi, Klay, PG, & Duncan in 2K. Players who are clearly defenders any coach would be comfortable deploying in the league. Their ratings + any sort of basketball intelligence should keep players of their ilk from doing **** I'd see CleAnthony Early doing.
It's literally that simple. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Do they do stuff that you'd only see in either a pickup with a bunch of strangers (maybe) or 2K? Not as often as you see it in 2K16.
Like I said:
The bold part happens way too often. I know you've heard the term "stay attached to 3pt shooters" -- so...does that only apply on movement & screens? When he's standing still, you just turn your back to him & sprint in the other direction?
Give me late rotations (does the CPU even help the helper in 2K16?) -- give me late reactions -- give me bad switches -- give me over aggressiveness -- give me passive defense -- give me unaware of time/game situation mistakes, etc. Don't give me "omgomgomgomg lemme leave this dude here for a minute, I have to go guard the rim because maybe, possibly, perchance, they might get deep post position... ...not to the guy I left wide. open."
I'm not talking about a good rotation like in the vid jeebs posted a few posts ago, I'm talking about when there is no need to rotate. All the defender has to do is stay at home, maybe play the passing lane, but stay relatively connected to his man...& he just Usain Bolts it, usually to the rim.
Why's it so unacceptable & not 'sim', in your mind, to ask for players to make basketball mistakes in the realm of them actually being NBA players in a rotation?Last edited by nuckles2k2; 07-26-2016, 08:33 PM.Comment
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This thread got the juice 🍍
Here is a sequence of events showcasing how desperate and ambitious the CPU is to protect the rim.






The CPU might as well sellout and put the damn team bus in the paint! This is not basketball to me and the fact that the 3s in key is not respected immediately and consistently makes this even more of a crash course in basketball fundamentals.
I don't want to suggest this is confluence but this is the first year I didn't see the awareness ratings for each player and it's also the same year I've seen the most unpleasant IQ from AI on both offense and defense. I see physical ratings matter and ability ratings but I just don't see a fair enough disparity in intelligence and awareness between elite average and poor players... maybe it's just coincidence
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Ok. I don't know what to say. Some NBA players are dumb on defense. If 2K needs to script the defense to always do what you want, with no mistakes by the CPU , and that's what everyone wants then I don't see the challenge in that.I guess you don't understand the complete frustration with 2K defensive AI.
The computer is dumb unless you are going on a run, which means you got a bunch of badges activating.
The computer leaves the trailer big man open for a 3 100 percent of the time.
You can spam basic manual pick and roll for a corner 3. I've done it multiple times playing against users. LOL, if you play MYTEAM and the CPU decides not to stay home on a PnR, the game is pretty much over in 3 minutes because there's legit nothing you can do about it.
Users will legit post up Lebron from the high post and wait until help comes to get off a 3, no matter what the setting.
A guard will leave the corner man to help on a drive.
So yeah, if I know basketball and know what basic fundamental defense should be like, if I go into settings and spend a good 2 minutes to make my settings, probably spent a good amount of hours labbing settings to prevent the dumb ish that will go on in 2K if you just let it be...I want it to work.
At the end of the day, it's a SIMULATION THAT RECEIVES HUMAN INPUT. I do not want the computer making decisions outside of what I mandate. I am the human, I am the boss. I don't want the computer to decide what to do on defense.
If I put on Tight for Off-Ball, I mean tight, not running away from Klay Thompson to help on a drive...that's stupid. If I put on Off-Ball Gap Iman Shumpert so my perimeter players will help on the drive, I don't mean to watch Lebron just drive into the paint repeatedly while my wing hangs around on the perimeter.
If the computer is gonna decide what to do, I might as well watch real basketball.Comment
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Your A.I teamates should do exactly what ypu assign them to do. Im 100% with that.
They just all shouldnt be good at it....and thats where I agree with BBW. You want to have all your defenders hug their man on the perimeter? That should bite you in the ***...no NBA team plays like that for a reason and there should be risk involved with every strategy....cant cover everythingComment
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You would still have ratings that determines the effectiveness of defense. You would still have steal, block, help defense IQ, lateral quickness, PnR defense IQ and etc that would determine the effectiveness of your player playing within your defensive scheme. Setting up a defensive scheme with assignments should matter more than ratings. If I put my players in a position to succeed and you run some crappy rudimentary offense, I should beat you. In 2K, it's more like, your defensive scheme might or might not work depending on what 2K say should happen.
Players should win games against other players because they are able to outthink them and they are better with the sticks, not because of some computer code that is finicky about when it want to work.
There's absolutely nothing realistic about 2K's defense as it is anyway. There's nothing realistic about the ball being kicked around all over the court like its FIFA. There's nothing realistic about the blatant trailer 3 spams you can pull off against a user or CPU for that matter. There's nothing realistic about the ridiculous amount of blocked dunks you can pull off. There's nothing realistic about the Pick and Roll defense. There's nothing realistic about players walking back on defense on fastbreak and tip off. There's nothing realistic about "good defense" in 2K being nothing but excessive bumping. There's nothing realistic about your computer AI teammates falling down in the lane with no contact or just being ran over for a blocking foul while playing defense on the perimeter. There's nothing realistic about playing good defense for 20 seconds and then having your AI teammate randomly clobber a player driving into the lane, not even really contesting the shot, just flying into a player.
The whole challenge of 2K on defense is preventing your computer teammates from screwing up by manually controlling them to do basic basketball play. And you can find out how fast your settings not working after the first quarter of play.
I shouldn't have to worry if the computer is going leave Stephen Curry open while I play on ball D and I already told the computer what to do.
Basketball players aren't completely brain dead. Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson are picked up at half court in real life. I shouldn't have to move the point guard up on Stephen Curry at half court, then put my PF on Draymond Green as he is trailer, then put my SG on Klay Thompson in the corner on the drive.
If the user has to do everything to just play sound team defensive basketball, then wants the point of Points of Emphasis and Defensive Settings.Comment
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NBA teams do play like that, have you seen teams guard the Warriors and Hawks in the playoffs these past few years?Your A.I teamates should do exactly what ypu assign them to do. Im 100% with that.
They just all shouldnt be good at it....and thats where I agree with BBW. You want to have all your defenders hug their man on the perimeter? That should bite you in the ***...no NBA team plays like that for a reason and there should be risk involved with every strategy....cant cover everything
If you are going against Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Mitch Richmond, Dirk and Draymond on MyTeam...a team full of shooters and weak drivers in a 4 out 1 in or Pace or Swing offensive scheme...you would hug the perimeter.
My adjust would be going small and playing Tight and setting the POE to Limit Perimeter Shots and daring my opponent to drive in on me because if I would guard his lineup, I wouldn't use a traditional big man.
The risk should be in your strategy not how stupid your AI teammates will be.
2K just makes your AI teammates dumb or smart depending on factors that has nothing to do with scheme.
Like I traditionally would play on Protect the Paint and Tight Deny just because it actually represent realistic team defensive basketball. It doesn't make sense, it just prevents dumb stuff like helping on a Lebron drive or a defender wandering off from the corner.
Now that doesn't work because Tight Deny just makes your defense get backcutted to death. Limit Perimeter Shots just makes Big Men not contest drives. Netural Defensive Focus no longer works with just your settings after the last few patches. Now it's a crapshoot and you just have to do everything yourself and you can't be everywhere.Comment
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I agree with the bolded, and said as much...but you got too caught up in your 2k rant to take notice...we're talking basketballNBA teams do play like that, have you seen teams guard the Warriors and Hawks in the playoffs these past few years?
If you are going against Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Mitch Richmond, Dirk and Draymond on MyTeam...a team full of shooters and weak drivers in a 4 out 1 in or Pace or Swing offensive scheme...you would hug the perimeter.
My adjust would be going small and playing Tight and setting the POE to Limit Perimeter Shots and daring my opponent to drive in on me because if I would guard his lineup, I wouldn't use a traditional big man.
The risk should be in your strategy not how stupid your AI teammates will be.
2K just makes your AI teammates dumb or smart depending on factors that has nothing to do with scheme.
Like I traditionally would play on Protect the Paint and Tight Deny just because it actually represent realistic team defensive basketball. It doesn't make sense, it just prevents dumb stuff like helping on a Lebron drive or a defender wandering off from the corner.
Now that doesn't work because Tight Deny just makes your defense get backcutted to death. Limit Perimeter Shots just makes Big Men not contest drives. Netural Defensive Focus no longer works with just your settings after the last few patches. Now it's a crapshoot and you just have to do everything yourself and you can't be everywhere.
No man, no NBA team denys every player on the perimeter for a full game [ESPECIALLY not GSW and ATL) because yes, you will get back doored to death....you mentioning that like its some kind of glitch that shouldnt happen contradicts what I agreed with...
If it was that easy to glue your self to everyone GSW would have gotten figured out a long time ago..Last edited by The 24th Letter; 07-27-2016, 06:01 AM.Comment
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This times 9000!! I don't know anything. More frustrating when it comes to playing D in this game.
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Oh man, thought I was the only one that noticed you can play perfect defense and it wont matter because your CPU teammate will bail out the other player with a foul even though you go straight up.Comment
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Exactly!!! Every strategic or tactic has a weakness.I agree with the bolded, and said as much...but you got too caught up in your 2k rant to take notice...we're talking basketball
No man, no NBA team denys every player on the perimeter for a full game [ESPECIALLY not GSW and ATL) because yes, you will get back doored to death....you mentioning that like its some kind of glitch that shouldnt happen contradicts what I agreed with...
If it was that easy to glue your self to everyone GSW would have gotten figured out a long time ago..
While your playing a hybrid zone (think Thibs vs LeBron James or a switching defense still isn't in thst isn't in the game yet.. The Switch settings don't even work.)
No one can tell what Durant does here is remotley good
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I showed this already. But watch this all out sale out rotate by LeBron. This LeBron has a help defense rating of 93. I would love this see this kind of rotate if LeBron was on the other side of the floor. What the rotation should be here is right at the :09 mark of the video above. LeBron jumps into the lane. And then depending on what your settings are. He should stay or try to close out on Iggy in the corner. Or like I said before. Stun and the recover back to Iggy.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JbfWTn5wDZ4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>Last edited by jeebs9; 07-27-2016, 11:07 AM.Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
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I would prefer if things like the global help defense/ pressure coaching sliders returned over POEs....I think they cause too many contradictions when trying to customize your defense...Exactly!!! Every strategic or tactic has a weakness.
While your playing a hybrid zone (think Thibs vs LeBron James or a switching defense still isn't in thst isn't in the game yet.. The Switch settings don't even work.)
No one can tell what Durant does here is remotley good
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Agree! What level of help defense do you want. All out sell out to protect the paint or stay on your man.
I think the reason 2k did this for the general user who doesn't really know about reading defensesHands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
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