Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

[Trackball]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

No. Pretty sure he's saying that BRAGGING about winning 73 games by shooting nothing but layups & 3-pointers... while losing the NBA Title (in spectacular fashion) to a team that took more sensible, midrange shots.... is a SURE FIRE WAY of becoming a record-breaking 'laughing stock' that will be remembered more as a 'punchline'....... than for the 73 wins.

John Stockton's assists and steals records do not matter.
He has no rings, so he's worthless.
Karl Malone's 36,928 points do not matter.
He has no rings, so he's worthless.

Chris Jent scored 37 total points in the NBA.
He has a ring. 1994 Rockets.
Therefore, you'd rather have Chris Jent on your team than John Stockton or Karl Malone.

Tim Duncan's Spurs failed to win rings 14 out of 19 times, so he is not worth having on your team. 19 straight 50-win seasons does not matter, because the regular season does not matter.

All that matters are rings.
There is only one stat: Rings.
Robert Horry is better than Michael Jordan, because 7 > 6.

...This is what you're coming off as.
This is the mentality that results in Durant going to the Warriors.
Every big name should just go to the same team, because rings.
Rings are all that matter.

In the real world, shooting 33% from three is equal to shooting 50% from two, because they result in the same number of points.
Points win games.
Analytics figured this years ago.
The Warriors shot 41.55% from three last year.
That's the equivalent of shooting 62.3% from two.
Compared to that, shooting 50% from 15 feet is stupid, because fewer points.
That is why threes and layups are the only shots worth taking.
More often than not, it wins.

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I need to cool down. This is making me really mad for no good reason. Sorry, mods.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

It's a reason everyone runs to that corner three lol

[Mauer4MVP]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

“The Spurs were a collection of talent by then without one true star leading the way????” - lmaoooo

You cannot be serious. Stop it. Just stop.

• First of all, Tim Duncan is a 15x time All-Star….
  
• Second of all, Danny Green has NEVER been an All-Star since he got drafted in 2009. Not once. Ever.
  
• Third of all, Kawhi Leonard got drafted in summer 2011, right before the NBA lockout.

The 161-day lockout began on July 1, 2011 and ended on December 8, 2011.

It delayed the start of the 2011–12 regular season from November 1 to December 25, and it reduced the regular season from 82 to 66 games.

When the lockout ended, Leonard signed with the Spurs.

After the ‘short’ 2012 season…. then the Spurs went to the Finals the very next year, in the 2013 season.


So who was the ‘one true star’ of the Spurs during that time? Do tell.

I’ll give you a hint…. the ‘ONE TRUE STAR’ of the Spurs… was not the Rookie who just played his very first (lockout shortened) NBA season…. and it was definitely not the guy who NEVER appeared in an All-Star game.

That ‘collection of talent’ (as you called it) was assembled to help their number #1 ’Franchise Player’ (named Tim Duncan) reach the Finals again.

Tim Duncan was the 'one true star' on the Spurs. Point Blank.
He was 'The Franchise' for almost 2 decades.

Leonard & Green having ‘one good series’ does NOT replace the previous 15-16 years of (HOF worthy / ALL-STAR level) accomplishments that Tim Duncan had…. before EITHER ONE OF THEM were on the team.

Unbelievable how you just DIMINISHED Tim Duncan’s whole career and relegated him to ‘sidekick’ status… then tried to claim victory.

That’s utterly ridiculous.

Obviously, you are not watching the SAME NBA as the rest of us, if you think that Tim Duncan was not 'the one true star' of the team back then.

Man you're putting a lot into a post and ignoring the fact that was Duncan was 35 and 36 years in those finals. Obviously he was still impactful , but the reason they got to two had more to do with Pop, the system, and the overall talent on the team over Duncan carrying them.

You keep saying 15 time all start like all this previous ones matter in that single year. "Shaq had all those all stars! He must have been carrying the Celtics during that year!"



ANYWAYS, back to the point of our silly discussion. The Heat, Spurs , and Warriors all won in large part due to their 3 point shooting. Mid range still needs to be in the game to keep defenses honest and it can be an honest shot, but the 3 point shot is incredibly more valuable. You literally can't dispute those two facts. But I'm sure you'll try.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

I appreciate that data re; 33% from 3 is equivalent to 50% from 2.

I do like the baseline middy but a middy that is just under 3 is a terrible look. I also like the middy from the elbow but not straight on linear to the rim.

What I feel is a great look on the middy is the moving mid Ala Kobe and MJ. You also have the Dirk middy out of the post that Jordan and Kobe also benefited from.

In 2k the moving middy can be executed with the appropriate badges - I like to use the bank on these attempts - albeit the orchestration is not as fluid as I would prefer it to be especially out of a triple threat.

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[theman824]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

Man you're putting a lot into a post and ignoring the fact that was Duncan was 35 and 36 years in those finals. Obviously he was still impactful , but the reason they got to two had more to do with Pop, the system, and the overall talent on the team over Duncan carrying them.

You keep saying 15 time all start like all this previous ones matter in that single year. "Shaq had all those all stars! He must have been carrying the Celtics during that year!"



ANYWAYS, back to the point of our silly discussion. The Heat, Spurs , and Warriors all won in large part due to their 3 point shooting. Mid range still needs to be in the game to keep defenses honest and it can be an honest shot, but the 3 point shot is incredibly more valuable. You literally can't dispute those two facts. But I'm sure you'll try.

He never said, TD was CARRYING them.
He said he was the one true star LEADING them. And that's the truth.

[jeebs9]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

I really do hate the pull though. That CP3 /Westbrook/ style of pull up should be in 17. The turnaround midrange fades don't really fall for me either . I agree Bigs are the best at shooting the midrange . A lot of guards have higher three point shots too.


When it comes to my players unless you're an outside Center the midrange isn't worth taking over a three pointer .

Dont get this at all, the mid range game is money in this game....in pretty much every aspect but the pull up animation....and I emphasize animation because you can take a slight second to set your feet and you'll knock them down a lot more effectively....

The only issue with mid range were the slight seperation jumpers with efffective shooters that would brick too often...but Mike tweaked that...

Which is why i love putting in work with a mid range killer like KD- and these are well contested online

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CJVUdAdX268" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://vimeo.com/175745045

Thank You for posting that video (SICK). But that's not the mid range game I'm talking about. But I guess I was talking about more off the dribble and pick and roll style mid range jumpers.

[Crossover1]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

Thank You for posting that video (SICK). But that's not the mid range game I'm talking about. But I guess I was talking about more off the dribble and pick and roll style mid range jumpers.

I pull it off with Kyrie but if my opponent is used to my playing style it's easy to close out with bigs from the paint to affect his pullup. Everyone can close out well in 2K, especially big men.

[jeebs9]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

I pull it off with Kyrie but if my opponent is used to my playing style it's easy to close out with bigs from the paint to affect his pullup. Everyone can close out well in 2K, especially big men.

Yea I know. I can hit once in a while. I guess what I'm trying to say is that. The mid range game does not put fear into that big man who is laying off in the paint. Because of exactly what you said above. Everyone can close out really well in 2k.

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[The 24th Letter]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

Thank You for posting that video (SICK). But that's not the mid range game I'm talking about. But I guess I was talking about more off the dribble and pick and roll style mid range jumpers.

I got you.

The pick and roll is where i get most of my mids tbh...I think my biggest beef would be when the the player who gets screened is allowed to put you into a 'contested shot' animation moreso than the bigs...I usually take a wide enough angle to freeze the big.

[Vni]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

Another thing that has hurt the mid range game is the fact that they removed the fade button from a stand still position. Before you could pop and fade away from mid. Now you don't have a button for that anymore all you get is thoses low percentage contested shot animations. Players very often fade even slightly.. Besides wide open spot ups they rarely take jumpers straight up.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

I got you.

The pick and roll is where i get most of my mids tbh...I think my biggest beef would be when the the player who gets screened is allowed to put you into a 'contested shot' animation moreso than the bigs...I usually take a wide enough angle to freeze the big.

To be honest a lot of players get a boost off of pick n rolls from badges such as screen outlet and pick n roll maestro . That is a very good strategy to improve percentages.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

To be honest a lot of players get a boost off of pick n rolls from badges such as screen outlet and pick n roll maestro . That is a very good strategy to improve percentages.

Ah. That makes sense. I bet TP and Kemba Walker have pick and roll badges too.

What i notice is that a lot of guys dont wait to see how the defense is playing the pick and roll before they go....or dont let it completely set and thats when the floor gets jumbled up...

Problem is the initial pick can be so slow...you have to wait longer than what feels natural...hopefully they improve it next year...

[A6_Foul_Out]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

the biggest problem is that what would be considered WIDE OPEN for a mid-range is a terrible shot in this game.

It's because you can green release a mid-range, as long as you're not moving.

98% of a not-moving, feet set, mid-range Green.

vs.

45% of a what we we consider a good, open shot off a basic PNR.

I'm going to reset to get the former, before my basketball instincts tell me to take the latter.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

Thats the thing though, quality pull ups should come from squaring your feet.

https://youtu.be/OJzzUAC2F_A

Shooting a leaning jumper off the dribble shouldnt be a highly efficient shot. I think what the
game needs though is more square pull ups that dont take such an exaggerated step forward...

[A6_Foul_Out]

Re: Where the heck is the mid-range game in 2k16?

Thats the thing though, quality pull ups should come from squaring your feet.

https://youtu.be/OJzzUAC2F_A

Shooting a leaning jumper off the dribble shouldnt be a highly efficient shot. I think what the
game needs though is more square pull ups that dont take such an exaggerated step forward...

nothing is going to beat 98%.

which is dumb imo