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  • howardphillips214
    MVP
    • Jan 2018
    • 1928

    #31
    Re: Let's talk about Speed With Ball and how it should be divided up.

    Originally posted by YourHairlineTrash


    You want your slasher to have Westbrook speed, but you don't want his weakness which is shooting under 30% from three.

    The player you have described would be completely gamebreaking in Pro-Am, 40% three and 90 speed with ball? Yeah, glad you're not in charge of ratings lol
    Bet you $100 Westbrook has higher than a 70 3 pointer.

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    • El_Poopador
      MVP
      • Oct 2013
      • 2624

      #32
      Re: Let's talk about Speed With Ball and how it should be divided up.

      Originally posted by howardphillips214
      Bet you $100 Westbrook has higher than a 70 3 pointer.
      Not by much. 74 for all three ratings.

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      • El_Poopador
        MVP
        • Oct 2013
        • 2624

        #33
        Re: Let's talk about Speed With Ball and how it should be divided up.

        Originally posted by jeebs9
        What! Russell Westbrook the same as Kevin Love.... I got nothing lol.... I just showed a video with real fast breaks. And the reply is poor AI and Human mistakes lol.

        I'm good...

        Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
        Yes, Westbrook is not much different from Love on the break. Not even getting into all the other issues in the clip, their speed isn't much different. In this clip, we see Love keeping up with Westbrook on the break. Westbrook is ever so slightly faster, but not by nearly as much as in real life. Not only that, but he's barely outpacing Lebron, who's doing a leisurely backwards trot.

        <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/YJu_ANX4e0Q?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

        In the second clip, Love is running the break, and gets down the floor before Lebron does, and at the same speed as JR and Roberson. And the time it took him to get to the free throw line from where he started was almost the exact same amount of time as Westbrook in the first clip.

        <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VWmcFfY4nDQ?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

        There are a myriad of other problems in these two clips from an AI and general movement perspective, but I want to keep this focused just on the speed of the players.

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        • ojandpizza
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 29807

          #34
          Re: Let's talk about Speed With Ball and how it should be divided up.

          Originally posted by Thetruth11
          Idk what your player but every possession on this game is a fastbreak especially with the over celebrating animations


          Sent from my SM-G920T using Operation Sports mobile app


          Didn’t say their wasn’t break, I said breaks are unrealistic and player/ball speed is slow and glitchy.


          Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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          • jyoung
            Hall Of Fame
            • Dec 2006
            • 11132

            #35
            Re: Let's talk about Speed With Ball and how it should be divided up.

            Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
            Not sure if JYoung AD still has the clip somewhere but this post is after a walkon game with Jyoung, Housh and Me+ plus a few others

            "Here's a short clip showing a 7'3" 340 pure post scorer that has a 30-something speed with ball rating running a fastbreak side-by-side with my 6'2" 225 sharpshooting slasher that has 91 speed and 91 acceleration ratings:

            WHAT IS THIS CHEESE?!?!?!?!

            I swear the speed and acceleration ratings mean nothing in 2K18, and once you step onto the Pro Am court, all of the athleticism stats get equalized."
            I've still got that clip saved:

            <iframe frameborder=0 webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen scale="tofit" width="320" height="185" style="max-width:100%" src="https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/jyoungad/video/56516689/embed"></iframe>

            2KLab also did a good test this year showing how small the on-court separation is whenever there are differences in player speed/acceleration ratings:

            <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dFpHSago_Hk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
            Last edited by jyoung; 07-23-2018, 08:36 PM.

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            • YourHairlineTrash
              Banned
              • Jul 2018
              • 67

              #36
              Re: Let's talk about Speed With Ball and how it should be divided up.

              Originally posted by jyoung
              I've still got that clip saved:

              <iframe frameborder=0 webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen scale="tofit" width="320" height="185" style="max-width:100%" src="https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/jyoungad/video/56516689/embed"></iframe>

              2KLab also did a good test this year showing how small the on-court separation is whenever there are differences in player speed/acceleration ratings:

              <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dFpHSago_Hk" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
              Gross, and any speed difference there is can be negated by the hip riding animation that big men do in the open court to keep up with much faster players.

              2k has done a terrible job of displaying speed, everyone seems like they're stuck in mud.

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