Sooo when will 2k stop using ps2 tech?

[TUSS11]

Re: Sooo when will 2k stop using ps2 tech?

Well first, my comment wasnt meant to be an attack....
but yes, the term"canned animation" has been reduced to just that it seems....

There are plenty of canned animations in both FIFA, NHL.....in the reviews for FIFA in many outlets, they ask that there" be more variety in the canned animations in the game" just google or tube both games along with that phrase....youll see examples out there...

Now, those animations might not BOTHER you....but thats what they are...."canned". Just like you can obviously see past that and enjoy those games, people are doing the same for 2k. I can completely understand if you simply dont like the way the animations in 2k are implemented, but using that "canned" logic doesnt really hold up...

We can agree that basketball is different from all those other sports...but while you may deem it as unexcusable for animations to be used, I see it as a nexessary evil. 2k11 does a great job of creating a balance though..IMO

There are no canned animations in FIFA. I don't know what to tell you.

[TUSS11]

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I do agree with that part a lot. I hate this new run up and pry the ball out of my guy's hands then he tips it away and it's a turnover animation. It's as bad as the behind swipe last year.

Exactly. In real life similar situations induce different results. In 2K you wait for that special animation to happen so you can strip the ball-handler or draw a charge. That's not playing basketball, that's playing animations.

[The 24th Letter]

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There are no canned animations in FIFA. I don't know what to tell you.

Its all good, that statement pretty much tells me everything....lol

Guess all we can hope for is that 2k can create a game thats a happy medium for all of us..

[greenieblue]

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It's a shame that you can't suspend disbelief, because this game demonstrates some serious AI:

- recognition of mismatches within seconds and working to get a post-up
- quick recognition of double teams and kicking to the open man
- working inside-outside and back inside again
- spotting holes in the defense and cutting to them immediately
- working the ball around the perimeter twice to free up a shooter
- good use of the pick and roll
- doubling down on post scorers quickly and smartly
- recognition of disruption of plays and quick aborts
etc. etc.

This to me is what is impressive of NBA 2k11 and separates it from all sports game before it.

Add a very good franchise, one of the best simulation engines ever, a great stat engine, spectacular graphics, incredibly diverse computer generated draftees, ratings fluctuations, age degradation, the best rim animation ever, millions of variables that influence play, incredible immersion, unlimited off-court control & customization, the best commentary and presentation ever, frills, gimmicks, glitz and shiny things and you have the best game ever made.

[rockchisler]

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Its all good, that statement pretty much tells me everything....lol

Guess all we can hope for is that 2k can create a game thats a happy medium for all of us..

What would make me happy is if a superstar like Bron loses his dribble win he over dribbles in the paint for 20 seconds but that doesn't happen in the game..

[coolcras7]

Re: Sooo when will 2k stop using ps2 tech?

There are no canned animations in FIFA. I don't know what to tell you.

don't stop believing, just like Elite had none as well.

[greenieblue]

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What would make me happy is if a superstar like Bron loses his dribble win he over dribbles in the paint for 20 seconds but that doesn't happen in the game..

Frankly, I might kill for that. Agreed.

[ParisB]

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I do think that jaggies and lack of anti-aliasing really set the game back from a graphical standpoint.


the two main problems from the tech side is that (a) it is using "last gen" technology, never really made the leap to next gen and (b) the xbox is the lead platform and therefore hinders the PS3's potential.

[jeffc1]

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GT5 uses PS2 tech... why not?

I feel ya pain.

[BallH4wk31]

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It's a shame that you can't suspend disbelief, because this game demonstrates some serious AI:

- recognition of mismatches within seconds and working to get a post-up
- quick recognition of double teams and kicking to the open man
- working inside-outside and back inside again
- spotting holes in the defense and cutting to them immediately
- working the ball around the perimeter twice to free up a shooter
- good use of the pick and roll
- doubling down on post scorers quickly and smartly
- recognition of disruption of plays and quick aborts
etc. etc.

Why is this THAT impressive?

Madden can do all things just like that while working 11 vs 11 at once and has a more fluid handle of the offensive and defensive players with better reaction timing. They've even added gameflow, which I never use but is useful to people who don't know about play calling but want to play.

The best part of 2k11 that is FAR beyond other games... is the voice overs when you play a game. The in-depth analysis and discussion that occurs during my player and lengthy games is incredible. It legitimately sounds like listening to an NBA game.

[The 24th Letter]

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I dont have. a problem with opponents over dribbling in 2k11...with success anway...

Hey, everyones different I guess....some people liked the fact that in Live 10 if you dribble into the slightest of crowds it was a instant turnover where the ball would literally teleport into defenders hands ....to me, thats just stupid lol

[greenieblue]

Re: Sooo when will 2k stop using ps2 tech?

Why is this THAT impressive?

Madden can do all things just like that while working 11 vs 11 at once and has a more fluid handle of the offensive and defensive players with better reaction timing. They've even added gameflow, which I never use but is useful to people who don't know about play calling but want to play.

The best part of 2k11 that is FAR beyond other games... is the voice overs when you play a game. The in-depth analysis and discussion that occurs during my player and lengthy games is incredible. It legitimately sounds like listening to an NBA game.

IMO, it's impressive because it is like playing a really basketball-smart human.

In Madden, you do tell the CPU the exact thing that everyone on the field is going to do before you do it. You call a play. Even when freelancing, you are often inputting (through the controller) the exact thing you are going to do next. Most of the things I listed above are stunning observations made by a computer opponent and not based solely on the CPU's ability to disguise its reaction to controller input.

Please don't misunderstand me, I thought NCAA 11 was the best football game ever made (didn't play Madden this year, first time ever btw). But, the AI in 2K is almost capable of abstract thought. In other games, you can smell the math.

[greenieblue]

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I dont have. a problem with opponents over dribbling in 2k11...with success anway...

Hey, everyones different I guess....some people liked the fact that in Live 10 if you dribble into the slightest of crowds it was a instant turnover where the ball would literally teleport into defenders hands ....to me, thats just stupid lol

My problem with it is the complete lack of non-steal turnovers, which is unrealistic-- statistically and gameplay-wise. Dwight Howard was 48th in usage last year and yet turned the ball over 3+ times, and he is not necessarily a special case. He did this, in part, because he loses his dribble in the post. Nobody ever loses the ball while dribbling in 2k11, so the only turnovers you see are bad passes (which are fine, but do not carry NBA TO numbers solely) and steals (teams avg 7 steals a game in the NBA, 14 TO's).

[The 24th Letter]

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Thats where we teeter the line of realistic/ video game....

If you jam the ball to basket with Dwight Howard in 2k11 he will lose the ball....I know this for a fact. I do this to my cousin who plays with ORL exclusively....its pretty easy honestly.

Now if your suggesting Dwight should randomly lose the ball in the post to cover his TO numbers in the NBA, ill pass on those realistic numbers....

[mlp111]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpmIBJ_MKas

There's no exploit cheese this year in Madden, people just try to make big plays, which is also a big risk. Idk what cheese you're referring to, unless it's coming out in 5WR or going on 4th down or something else totally legal. I don't do that, but I don't mind facing it. Most people who complain usually just can't handle pressure being constantly put on them by a user. Everyone you meet claims to be "good" at sports games...but you are only as good as your competition. Beating a CPU only makes you that good.

My gripe with 2k is that the players don't feel fluid, they don't do what I'm telling them, they're unresponsive and chocked full of poor animations. 2K has way worse cheese by the way. As for the show, gameplay is pretty good, but the makers still have a lot to learn about situational baseball for my player modes.

Madden has soo many exploits its ridiculous.... madden 11 still doesn't respresent football to the level that its should be, its still a horrible game due to EA locking down the market and becoming lazy.... 2k11 has its issues as well, but there isn't another sport game as deep as it is, ( except for other game online modes, 2k its horrible at online)