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  • NealN42
    Pro
    • Jun 2011
    • 563

    #61
    Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

    I continue to notice that the majority of the players that predominantly play online modes seem act like offline modes are for losers and are being phased out...it's insane, and hilarious at that. Just because you and your group of friends only play online doesn't mean everyone else does too...so please quit being so naive. I for one NEVER play sports games online for a multitude of reasons, but that doesn't mean I come on here and say uninformed things like online gaming isn't important and is on its way to redundancy...because thats just as untrue as saying the same about offline gaming.

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    • mysticsmoke
      Rookie
      • Oct 2003
      • 87

      #62
      Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

      [QUOTE=2slik;2042921455]Can you quantify this large base? I'm willing to bet that more people play online than offline.

      Really? How many million units did 2K move last year? How many million people are online? Really? There are probably more people with consoles and no online access at all than there are people who actually play online. That would be my bet.

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      • d4zednc0nfused
        Rookie
        • Sep 2011
        • 12

        #63
        Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

        I think they want to see what the new CBA is before they make major changes for offline association since it could really change how teams are built and managed (draft structure, salary cap and contract structure, etc). All I'm expecting is logic tweaks.

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        • 2slik
          Banned
          • Jun 2010
          • 268

          #64
          Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

          Originally posted by mysticsmoke

          Really? How many million units did 2K move last year? How many million people are online? Really? There are probably more people with consoles and no online access at all than there are people who actually play online. That would be my bet.
          Do you really expect millions of people to be all online at the same time? What faulty logic.
          Last edited by 2slik; 09-29-2011, 10:56 PM.

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          • 2slik
            Banned
            • Jun 2010
            • 268

            #65
            Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

            Originally posted by NealN42
            but that doesn't mean I come on here and say uninformed things like online gaming isn't important and is on its way to redundancy...because thats just as untrue as saying the same about offline gaming.
            I know you wouldn't say that because that would be stupid but saying online is pushing offline in to redundancy (or if you want, less relevant) is completely logical and informed. This whole "I don't say this about your favourite mode so don't say this about my favourite mode" argument doesn't wash at all when it comes to this.

            How many of you would willingly go back to dial-up internet? Exactly.

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            • haloofduty
              Pro
              • Aug 2008
              • 861

              #66
              Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

              Originally posted by 2slik
              I know you wouldn't say that because that would be stupid but saying online is pushing offline in to redundancy (or if you want, less relevant) is completely logical and informed. This whole "I don't say this about your favourite mode so don't say this about my favourite mode" argument doesn't wash at all when it comes to this.

              How many of you would willingly go back to dial-up internet? Exactly.
              This guy is funny. Your comparing dial up and high speed to offline and online association lol. Anyway I see your thinking is strictly online. Everyone does not have internet so everyone cant play online association. Your saying 2k will leave offline association behind because there is online association. That does not make sense when a ton of people play offline association. They will continue to improve each. Your logic is flawed. Madden has had online franchise for a few years. No improvements to it but great improvements to offline franchise. I don't know whats going on in your mind
              Last edited by haloofduty; 09-29-2011, 11:18 PM.

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              • Freak123
                Pro
                • Sep 2010
                • 981

                #67
                Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                As much as I want there to be major improvements to Offline Association, I absolutely loved NBA 2K11's Offline Association mode. So if they make a tweak here and there, like David Stern and Adam Silver announcing the draft, the fantasy draft interface looks better and easier to navigate, and little things like that, I am more than satisfied.

                I knew from the beginning they would be focusing on My Player and Online modes this year because those both needed to be completely overhauled to make this a more complete game overall.

                All I'm saying is, is I understand that they can't work on everything, even though Offline Association mode is my favorite mode and I spend most of my time on that mode compared to anything else. It is everyone else's turn to have improvements to their favorite modes like My Player and Online modes.

                Definitely still worth the buy, no doubt about that. 2K always does excellent work, and they have always made some kind of improvement on each facet and mode within the game every single year, even if it's not as big as people would hope it would be.

                Just my two cents.

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                • haloofduty
                  Pro
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 861

                  #68
                  Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                  Back on topic. OP I totally agree. I was not looking for massive improvements. There are quite a few flaws in association that I thought 2k would address. I just thought they would try to improve on what they already had. Now like some has said I really don't know yet. I'm going by no association info, Ronnie ignoring offline association tweets and the video someone made showing association. Hopefully they addressed some issues. I don't understand if they did address some issues why not tell us.
                  Last edited by haloofduty; 09-29-2011, 11:31 PM.

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                  • ondreythegiant
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 284

                    #69
                    Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                    Regardless of their lack of improvements and changes to Association mode (which is my main mode), I feel like the gameplay has been tweaked so well, and so realistically that it really won't matter that much, to me at least. The gameplay really feels like real basketball, and I also think that they threw so much effort into the greatest modes and online association that they were satisfied with offline association. I just wanna start playing, and I want the lockout to end so I can run with my Cavs let's go weekend!
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                    • 2slik
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 268

                      #70
                      Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                      Originally posted by haloofduty
                      This guy is funny. Your comparing dial up and high speed to offline and online association lol. Anyway I see your thinking is strictly online. Everyone does not have internet so everyone cant play online association. Your saying 2k will leave offline association behind because there is online association. That does not make sense when a ton of people play offline association. They will continue to improve each. Your logic is flawed. Madden has had online franchise for a few years. No improvements to it but great improvements to offline franchise. I don't know whats going on in your mind
                      Saying that I'm funny and questioning my mental state are nothing but ad hominem attacks which are the beginning and ending of a faulty argument.

                      Yes, everyone does not have internet, but it's 2011, the overwhelming
                      majority of people do.

                      Can you be more specific when you say a "ton of people"? I never said they wouldn't improve offline.

                      How could 2K possible manage to put association features in online without putting them in offline as well.

                      Great you predict that 2K will do the same thing as Madden. Ok, Nostradamus.

                      It's kind of a waste of my time refuting arguments which have foundations of sand. Goodbye

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                      • spankdatazz22
                        All Star
                        • May 2003
                        • 6219

                        #71
                        Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                        Given all the work 2K has placed into improving the game ACROSS THE BOARD THE PAST TWO YEARS why is it assumed they didn't touch Offline Association? You'd think they'd have built up *some* goodwill or be given the benefit of the doubt at least. Since when has 2K ever gone through detailing every little thing they've done to improve their games? They always like leaving things for the gamer to discover on his/her own. Perhaps they didn't put in a ton of work overhauling the mode because it wasn't necessary, but I'd guess given their efforts across the board that there were things fixed/added to the mode. It's crazy reading everyone crying a river about their pet mode not getting enough attention, when it seems obvious to me they're trying to improve the game as a whole. A game that already has a TON of content I might add
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                        • apollooff320
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 1456

                          #72
                          Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                          this is what happens when competition disappears they don't work on other parts of the game but instead add legends that many ppl won't even bother to play.

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                          • mysticsmoke
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 87

                            #73
                            Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                            Originally posted by 2slik
                            Do you really expect millions of people to be all online at the same time? What faulty logic.
                            The faulty logic is in not realizing that if more people have units and no internet access, or for the 360 for that matter, no gold membership, then more people are playing the game in offline modes than in online modes. No fault in my logic; maybe a lapse in communication, but no fault in the sheer numbers of people who own 2k11 and have never played the game online at all. That's what I'm saying. Surely you grasp that or do you really think more people play online than in offline modes?

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                            • ffpp
                              Pro
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 514

                              #74
                              Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                              I actually could live with the association as it was in 2k11. It didn't feel that broken to me.
                              But MyPlayer is for me still more like a nice addition as are legends. For me to buy this year's game would need strong gameplay improvements.
                              Mostly AI behaviour for my opponents and teammates. But rebounding and passing need some work/balancing to.

                              Although I have to agree that some of the trades in association are a bit funny. Some teams end up with gaping holes at some position.
                              Also, for my game Carmelo went to the Timberwolves after his first year in NY. There seemed to be no benefit for either him or the Knicks to do that and the Wolves were still a bad team.

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                              • coolcras7
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 2337

                                #75
                                Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

                                Originally posted by apollooff320
                                this is what happens when competition disappears they don't work on other parts of the game but instead add legends that many ppl won't even bother to play.
                                Wow, so you decided to ignore all the improvements all the insights all the hands on previews saying the game was better than 2k11 and sticking to the no competition argument and all 2k did was add legends.
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