No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

[icemanfrost]

Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

Everyone complaining about the post I think is either delusional or just making excuses for 2k. Listen all of his gripes are reasonable and even if they weren't last time I checked this is a 2K forum. I have set back and read some of you all responses and it really sad that you all have gotten so bad that it is now "you better not say anything bad about 2K period". I've been playing 2K sense the dreamcast(and I think it's the greatest sports gaming franchise ever) and I agree with the OP. For the people said he's making his wishlist thread for 2k13. I don't see how you interpreted that way. Now let's be honest if Da Czar would have said this everyone would be saying he has a point. And to the one who gave the bad example of crew being taken out, listen I think they took out crew because it was hacked to death with association you don't have that problem. If 2k left the association untouched then it is what it is but don't excuses for them when none of us work for 2K so don't know the real reason.

[deathsai]

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The majority of people online just try to cheese their way to victories. Therefore, online is still obsolete compared to offline.

[DukeC]

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Anyone who says:"All 2K did was add Legends" is an idiot.

I'm sorry, but that is the complete truth. It'd be like if you got a new car, with improved gas mileage, better control, better tires, and an improved GPS..and you say "The only thing they did was add a sunroof".

Do you know how idiotic that sounds? Well, that's how some of you are coming across at the moment.

[spankdatazz22]

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Everyone complaining about the post I think is either delusional or just making excuses for 2k. Listen all of his gripes are reasonable and even if they weren't last time I checked this is a 2K forum.

I don't know why I'm still arguing this but it just seems SO SILLY given everything 2K has done to improve the game over the years, especially this year and last. It is so what-have-you-done-for-me-lately-ish it's ridiculous imo. To the OP's original post (paraphrasing):

- No acknowledgement of improving trade logic.

- No acknowledgement of improving Free Agent logic

- No acknowledgement of actual coaching contracts to stop

- No acknowledgement of fixing the Team Rebounding issue

- No acknowledgement of fully editable D-League

- No acknowledgement of custom rotations

I'll see your improvements once the Lockout is over, and I'll buy my copy used......off of E-Bay because I dont want any of my money to go towards you for ignoring your core fanbase.

Sorry but it sounds like the OP feels more neglected than anything else and needs his ego-I mean feelings assuaged; essentially mad because there wasn't an offline association insight maybe? Has there ever been a year where 2K hasn't improved Association in some way? And based on his last paragraph, he's not saying the improvements aren't there -and in fact he says he'll see the improvements once the lockout is over. In the meantime, he's going to a supermarket, dropping in the middle of an aisle and throwing a fit. He seems upset about feeling ignored.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but to me... it's almost laughable. And sad that people that should know better assume the worst.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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this is what happens when competition disappears they don't work on other parts of the game but instead add legends that many ppl won't even bother to play.

wow really, the you must be a teen, because I grew up with the the 80's and 90's teams and I bought this game because of those teams, so you must be a really young NBA fa,, in fact I can almost guarantee you are just from that comment, please tell me otherwise.

[darsin]

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there is at least one improvement :

fantasy draft showing team cap & player contracts.

[haloofduty]

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The bottom line here is nba 2k11 association had flaws. Flaws that should or may have been fixed for nba 2k12. Idk yet. The problem is 2k lets us feel as though we are going to have to play the same flawed association for another year. Some of you guys are saying well they may have fixed it so shut up until you find out. Well isn't it 2ks responsibility as the developer to put our issues to rest if they fixed it.

Come on. I seen developers posting in threads, people been asking Ronnie on twitter and they been having insights. Ronnie been totally ignoring us. 2k know we have a issue with no information but they are keeping silent. They are communicating with the community but ignoring association and crew guys. Its wrong. They are answering fans of game play, my player and legends. Ignoring fans of association and crew. Why do we have to wait till the game comes out when other don't? How can you take up for that?

People that had issues with my player and wanted online association their issues got put to rest. People that wanted better shoes and presentation got their issues put to rest. Why us association and crew guys cant get our issues put to rest? If they didn't say anything about my player and game play those people would be voicing their frustrations.

I'm not one of the people saying 2k got lazy or they didn't tweak anything. They might have but when you have flaws in a mode from the previous year let the customers know if you fixed the flaws or not.

[awil1026]

The faulty logic is in not realizing that if more people have units and no internet access, or for the 360 for that matter, no gold membership, then more people are playing the game in offline modes than in online modes. No fault in my logic; maybe a lapse in communication, but no fault in the sheer numbers of people who own 2k11 and have never played the game online at all. That's what I'm saying. Surely you grasp that or do you really think more people play online than in offline modes?

This. In a world where the majority of gamers have either an xbox or a ps3, not everyone will have free online gaming. And it seems 2slik sayin most people play online would be a ps3 owner. However, most people don't play online and you should realize that not every gamer is on a forum. The majority of gamers probably dont play online or commit to playing online because of all the difficulties that are presented. I can tell you that I don't play online mainly because I don't wanna pay to do so. A bigger reason why I won't pay for xbox gold is that my schoolwork takes up most of my time and I could easily spend 4-6 hours takin notes and doin homework for just one section of math, and I still have 3 other classes. And I'm pretty sure that other people have schedules where they can't turn on their system almost everyday (which online association or dynasty, whatever name they give it, pretty much requires). And then you have the possibility of wasting time playin a game when at anytime something can go wrong with the connection of two systems. I cant even say that online will ever be the forefront of gaming as long as people still have schedules that dictate if and when they do. Don't get me wrong, its a huge market but not the majority.

But on topic to the OP, you have a reason to be concerned and should voice your opinion but in reality, this post a few days too early. I remember somewhere reading that people may be used to EA promoting fixes for previous bugs or ai shortcomings as features but I can't say that I have seen 2K do this, they actually promote new areas to the game and that is correct when you think about it so maybe 2K doesn't revamp their offline association but I'm sure they knew areas they needed fix from last year

[Jukeman]

I think they want to see what the new CBA is before they make major changes for offline association since it could really change how teams are built and managed (draft structure, salary cap and contract structure, etc). All I'm expecting is logic tweaks.

CBA has nothing to do what needs to be fixed/Tuned/updated

No one is asking for a overhaul here

Also, If the flaws that might not have been fixed this year, most likely will find there way online so we should be working together instead of trying to deflect one another...

Unless your so cool and have plenty of time on your hands to enjoy a 30 man online association

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[2slik]

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This. In a world where the majority of gamers have either an xbox or a ps3, not everyone will have free online gaming. And it seems 2slik sayin most people play online would be a ps3 owner. However, most people don't play online and you should realize that not every gamer is on a forum. The majority of gamers probably dont play online or commit to playing online because of all the difficulties that are presented. I can tell you that I don't play online mainly because I don't wanna pay to do so. A bigger reason why I won't pay for xbox gold is that my schoolwork takes up most of my time and I could easily spend 4-6 hours takin notes and doin homework for just one section of math, and I still have 3 other classes. And I'm pretty sure that other people have schedules where they can't turn on their system almost everyday (which online association or dynasty, whatever name they give it, pretty much requires). And then you have the possibility of wasting time playin a game when at anytime something can go wrong with the connection of two systems. I cant even say that online will ever be the forefront of gaming as long as people still have schedules that dictate if and when they do. Don't get me wrong, its a huge market but not the majority.

Once again someone who speaks on authority even though have no quantifiable facts to back it up. "Probably play don't it" isn't really going to cut it.

Anyway your offline association had a major upgrade last year. Let other modes have their shine.

[spankdatazz22]

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Come on. I seen developers posting in threads, people been asking Ronnie on twitter and they been having insights. Ronnie been totally ignoring us. 2k know we have a issue with no information but they are keeping silent. They are communicating with the community but ignoring association and crew guys. Its wrong. They are answering fans of game play, my player and legends. Ignoring fans of association and crew. Why do we have to wait till the game comes out when other don't? How can you take up for that?

I'm sorry but it's laughable. By you and the OP's admission you're upset about not being shown as much attention as other modes have. I've seen this in so many threads this year with this theme. Just the other day there was a long thread about people feeling 2K dropped the ball in not giving enough official media. Or at least release the Controls video. It gets done, and many of the very ones crying were the ones to IMMEDIATELY dismiss it in various ways.

As I said in my previous post, when has 2K NOT made the effort to improve offline association in some way? Again by yours and the OP's own admission you don't want to say it hasn't been fixed - you're upset they haven't addressed you directly. Which if they did, I'm sure the reaction would be "I'll wait until I play the game to see if it works the way I want it to". Essentially it's acting like a petulant child feeling the universe revolves around him and wanting attention. The OP's last paragraph essentially admits that.

[lv2bll]

So in other words people nothings fair? And I play offline exclusively. None of this is a big deal.

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[icemanfrost]

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I don't know why I'm still arguing this but it just seems SO SILLY given everything 2K has done to improve the game over the years, especially this year and last. It is so what-have-you-done-for-me-lately-ish it's ridiculous imo. To the OP's original post (paraphrasing):



Sorry but it sounds like the OP feels more neglected than anything else and needs his ego-I mean feelings assuaged; essentially mad because there wasn't an offline association insight maybe? Has there ever been a year where 2K hasn't improved Association in some way? And based on his last paragraph, he's not saying the improvements aren't there -and in fact he says he'll see the improvements once the lockout is over. In the meantime, he's going to a supermarket, dropping in the middle of an aisle and throwing a fit. He seems upset about feeling ignored.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but to me... it's almost laughable. And sad that people that should know better assume the worst.

Of course it's a "what have you done for me lately" attitude(dah it's a sports game and they come out every year) Don't get it twisted I think 2K is the best and Visual concepts are the developers right now and saved virtual basketball as we know it, but the OP made valid points and I don't get the feeling of him feeling neglected just let down. I think a lot of people have taken what he said out of context, he was not talking about overhaul just minor tweaks. I hear people jump down EA's throat every year about this very same issue but 2k get's a pass? It is a what have you done for me lately mantra. 2K has this same attitude cause if they didn't they would not be able to do what they do so well. To be honest it's kinda funny cause what people might not realize is that why you people try to defend 2K. 2k love topics like the OP. You criticize him , but posters like him help make 2K basketball how great it is today.

[lv2bll]

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Of course it's a "what have you done for me lately" attitude(dah it's a sports game and they come out every year) Don't get it twisted I think 2K is the best and Visual concepts are the developers right now and saved virtual basketball as we know it, but the OP made valid points and I don't get the feeling of him feeling neglected just let down. I think a lot of people have taken what he said out of context, he was not talking about overhaul just minor tweaks. I hear people jump down EA's throat every year about this very same issue but 2k get's a pass? It is a what have you done for me lately mantra. 2K has this same attitude cause if they didn't they would not be able to do what they do so well. To be honest it's kinda funny cause what people might not realize is that why you people try to defend 2K. 2k love topics like the OP. You criticize him , but posters like him help make 2K basketball how great it is today.

That's the problem in this country, everyone feels like they need to have this "What do i get, whats in it for me, my wants are more important than anything else or im gonna throw a fit attitude". Way too much falsely based entitlement in our society nowadays. I say either stop bitching and deal with it or GTFO!

/rant on everyone, had to vent

[rangerrick012]

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OK taking a step back from my earlier posts...

I get what the offline association guys are saying. And I gotta agree that it's weird that 2K hasn't spoken on offline association and given assurances concrete that things have been fixed. But at the same time, my earlier posts were aimed at those who are saying that this game is just 2K11 with more legends. That kinda statement is ludicrous. Unlike other game publishers, 2K has made improvements to this game in several areas on and off the court since last year.

I understand the frustration that offline association didn't get as much love this year, and understand even more the frustration with 2K's silence on this issue. I guess where I draw the line is with the sense of entitlement that some have, as if 2K made promises and didn't deliver. 2K never promised to completely overhaul association every year. I know this may sound like I'm making excuses for them, but it is what it is. If you're really going to say stuff like this is 2K11.5 or that all they added is legends, then you really don't DESERVE to play a game this good.

When the OP makes a statement like "0 improvements have been made to association", and he hasn't played the game yet, that's where I draw the line.