Any word on a roster update? (Update - Within the next 48 hours)

[elknavo]

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Spoiled was the wrong word to use - that much we agree on. NINJAK articulated my opinion far better than I did, and you saying you're disappointed is also something I can understand. I've said in the past if there was a year people couldn't criticize a company for slacking off, it would've been this one. They had just released what was widely acknowledged as the greatest basketball game to date in NBA2K11. They were faced with the uncertainty of the NBA's labor situation. And no other sports game dev was taking on the task of making another NBA game. Even with that, I have a hard time understanding anyone labeling their effort with 2K12 as an act of complacency. I'd argue it was the most ambitious sport titles to release this year. I've never heard anyone make the argument: "No, these three other sports games were more ambitious". They only point to what they feel is wrong, which is being shortsighted imo because you're not taking into account the amount of content they got right or aspects where they are going above and beyond, in relation to their sports game counterparts.

Again, I understand wanting up to date rosters. The double-team issue is debateable though. It took almost a month after the game released that anyone mentioned a possible problem, and even after that most people don't see the issue as some huge game-breaking problem that some identify it as. It'd be nice if 2K did address it or said something, but given how some people take anything said in a strict literal sense, I can see where it's better to say nothing. Especially when most people aren't up in arms about the issue.
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Spank, here's exactly the problem. 2k apologists can always take refuge in the fact that for any given horrible, game-breaking problem, "most people" won't even notice it. That's because most people who own this game are 13 year old kids who wouldn't notice if three pointers were worth 5 points. Basketball is a complex, intricate game, and most fans of it are casuals to whom NBA Jam would seem like an accurate sim. 2k knows these are the majority of its customers, and they have no other basketball game to buy.

The worst part is, things like the double team issue probably won't be fixed next year, because fans complain ten times louder about things like Kobe's mid range shot rating than the presence of fundamental basketball concepts like double teams or offensive fouls. And it's not like these are long standing issues that the team is trying to resolve and just can't- stuff like this gets added every year due to pure laziness. 2k is the only sports company that it a solid bet to break at least three aspects of the game every year that were working just fine last year. This year it's AI rotations in association mode (working well last year, now the league leader gets under 36 mpg), double teams (working fine last year), all big men increasing in 3 point tendency as they progress, and AI teams willing to trade 1st rounders for 2nd rounders (also fine last year). And when it comes to patch these issues, they pretty much do the MINIMUM possible effort they possibly can, fixing the least they feel they can get away with.

Real 2k fans know that whatever great features they add and whatever refinements to the gameplay they make, it'll still be a glitch ridden, unpolished product that makes Bethesda look like conscientious developers. What'll it be next year? Turnovers removed from the game? AI randomly releases one of your players every month in association? With 2k, the possibilities are endless!

[spankdatazz22]

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Real 2k fans know that whatever great features they add and whatever refinements to the gameplay they make, it'll still be a glitch ridden, unpolished product that makes Bethesda look like conscientious developers. What'll it be next year? Turnovers removed from the game? AI randomly releases one of your players every month in association? With 2k, the possibilities are endless!

I'd have to disagree as you're making a bunch of overstatements. As these games gain in complexity and more variables get introduced, so to will the potential for more issues increase. Or issues that are missed. I'm guessing you're not fond of Skyrim and whatever issues exist with the game. I'd say it's the Game of the Year easily; I'm enjoying it this very minute. I've seen some weird things like horses falling out of the sky or dragons flying backwards - but not enough to detract from my overall experience with the game. Nor have I come across any game-killing bugs. It's an absolutely HUGE open world; to expect Bethesda to be able to account for so much that could occur in an open ended game like this is expecting too much imo. The only way they could is if they limit the scope of what they're trying to accomplish.

I feel similarly about 2K12 on a much smaller scale of course. As NINJAK alluded to in his earlier post, it seems some people would rather 2K take the route most sports devs do of doing smaller/more manageable/incremental updates instead of trying to improve things across the board as they have the past few years. The problem is there are still going to be issues that get missed; I'm sure everyone would be able to say there's a significant issue they have with any major sports title. Again, if anyone wants to stack 2K's effort w/2K12 against the effort of any other sports title out there this year I'm willing to have that debate. I don't know when things changed, but there are some gamers that fault developers for what they consider "unfinished games" or patches, when I think it's gamers that have allowed their expectations to fly wildly out of control because they think anything can/should be patched. We've all seen the crazy threads some will create, saying they shot 62% from 3pt range so the game needs to be patched. Or scored too much inside, so the game needs a patch. I think fast breaks are broken, need patch. It's ridiculous.

I'm happy that there are devs out there willing to push the envelope to deliver an experience. Even if they come up a little short, what they manage to accomplish is pushing their genres forward - and not just maintaining the status quo. People can focus on what they perceive as wrong; 2K12 also established itself in a few areas where it's unquestionably better than any sports game that came out this year or came before it. I think those things have to be considered when people question their effort.

[JaySmooov]

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paid 59.99 but silly to expect much more? Bro this game is stripped down compared to 2k11 . if you play offline only vs cpu then you have no horse in this race. whats new in 2k12 hmm presentation that gets skipped over 90% of the time by everyone, simple shot release that make casuals just as good as vet players, lack of contact while playing on ball , easy running layups in traffic, broken "abilities" mechanic that overates what the players can really do, horrible player individual ratings making everyone a 3pt shooter, contesting shots doesnt matter , online STRIPPED DOWN WITH LESS OPTIONS THAN 2K11, horrible gameplay, no contact on perimemter and defensive players are on skates, easy to run to open shot for almost automatic pull up jumpers, players with low consistancy and shot ratings hitting all new jumpers while heavily guarded, no sliders for any mode meaning every game style is on default= EASY SCORING regardless of defense, simplistic jumpers (when ball is close to forehead RELEASE) making it so simplistic that my 14 year old cousin can hope online an beat a majority of "sim ballers" on this site with jumpshots regardless of the team, ONline association issues with no sliders, no admin options, no gamestyels, NBA2k.com site STILL NOT FUNCTIONAL, etc etc etc etc etc

oh yeah COUNTLESS glitches in teamup making it almost unplayable.

wow i am tired of putting out the truth of how unfinished this game is compared to 2k11. If you cant see this aside from the legends and pretty commentary, you need to take time to visit 100% of the game so your frustration level can be equal to majority of people that expected more from a company that already has a below average repuation as of yet. THey can sign any legends they want but if the mechanics, gameplay, online options etc etc arent complete in 2k13 that game will be a flop bottom line.

Then go play 2K11.

[eF 5ive]

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Man some of these posts are a joke.

[JaySmooov]

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You know, I'd think people would understand the concept of a holiday break.

"Yeah, I'm on break, and I get to enjoy Christmas night basketball and the games that come after it all week, but 2K better have my 2nd round rookies in so I can start my Lakers Association!"

These guys are entitled to a break, at least on the holidays, to spend time with family. What, they can't have a week with the people and friends they love?? I mean, it's only been a WEEK since we've had an update. Did guys think they would get an update every day until 2k13 released?

Now, while I agree that there was a lack of damage control, which I highlighted earlier in my posts, the fact remains that these guys were on break, just like some of you guys. These guys are entitled to live life too, they don't live to put 2-3 IMPORTANT 2nd rounders in a game, among others. (AND LETS BE HONEST - the ONLY rookies I've heard complaints over are Andrew Goudelock, Darius Morris, and that Harrellson dude for the Knicks.) LD2K already mentioned that there could be an update this week, or this weekend, and that he's been forwarding things to the devs.

AND, one more thing: as much as I've seen guys' complaints/questions about gameplay and other things get smacked down with the "the game has sliders, use them" or the "can't you just change it yourself?" statements, there are rosters on 2Kshare RIGHT NOW, from trusted guys on this site, that has ALL 2nd round rookies, or the ones on the disc, hexed in. So, if you're so upset about not having 2nd round rookies (most of who'll be in the D-League/cut/overseas ANYWAY) in the game, go to the roster section of the forums, look up the roster that fits you, download, and shut up and go play.

[DoubleJ13]

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You know, I'd think people would understand the concept of a holiday break.

I get the idea of a holiday break, but it's frustrating when THEY put something out on Christmas day when they should be on said break. I rather have them not put that update out. If they had just said that the update was coming out after their holiday break, it wouldn't be a big deal. But THEY raised everyone's expectations talking up that update. That's on them. Everyone lived for a couple months with the game during the lockout without updated rosters & stuff, but why are these guys (second rounders) still not unlocked? They are on the disc & are obviously part of the NBAPA since their playing in games.

Random side note: Why was Royal Ivey removed from the game? He is on the Thunders roster & has been since last year.

[Sports fanantic]

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does anyone have an official estimation on the next roster update or it hasn't been determine yet?

[kjjnesb]

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You know, I'd think people would understand the concept of a holiday break.

"Yeah, I'm on break, and I get to enjoy Christmas night basketball and the games that come after it all week, but 2K better have my 2nd round rookies in so I can start my Lakers Association!"

These guys are entitled to a break, at least on the holidays, to spend time with family. What, they can't have a week with the people and friends they love?? I mean, it's only been a WEEK since we've had an update. Did guys think they would get an update every day until 2k13 released?

Now, while I agree that there was a lack of damage control, which I highlighted earlier in my posts, the fact remains that these guys were on break, just like some of you guys. These guys are entitled to live life too, they don't live to put 2-3 IMPORTANT 2nd rounders in a game, among others. (AND LETS BE HONEST - the ONLY rookies I've heard complaints over are Andrew Goudelock, Darius Morris, and that Harrellson dude for the Knicks.) LD2K already mentioned that there could be an update this week, or this weekend, and that he's been forwarding things to the devs.

AND, one more thing: as much as I've seen guys' complaints/questions about gameplay and other things get smacked down with the "the game has sliders, use them" or the "can't you just change it yourself?" statements, there are rosters on 2Kshare RIGHT NOW, from trusted guys on this site, that has ALL 2nd round rookies, or the ones on the disc, hexed in. So, if you're so upset about not having 2nd round rookies (most of who'll be in the D-League/cut/overseas ANYWAY) in the game, go to the roster section of the forums, look up the roster that fits you, download, and shut up and go play.

2K could have easily said hey holidays coming we're going to hold back on any roster updates for a week but they didn't in fact they did the opposite and said they had a team working through Christmas and the Christmas update was very minimal.

The main problem is they told us once the Lock Out was resolved they would push out an update to add the rookies they have not fully done that. You think adding rookies and players not in would have been top priority as the most basic of users can move guys from team to team.

Also how do the rosters with 2nd rounders on 2k share help the PS3 users who want the genuine players?

[rudawaknchi2nev]

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Seems to me some of you who have ovr thats over 3 or higher need to read my post from this section. For the most part people our just venting and you all wont let folks do that without you guys putting people on your 2k knee You all saw the thread when Crisis435 first made it so you already knew what people would talk about

[Hehmke22]

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Seems to me some of you who have ovr thats over 3 or higher need to read my post from this section. For the most part people our just venting and you all wont let folks do that without you guys putting people on your 2k knee You all saw the thread when Crisis435 first made it so you already knew what people would talk about

I've been playing NBA 2k for 11 years. I think we all got spoiled in recent years. But I agree with you, All I want is full roster every week, correct colors, and a double team.

I only support 2k nobody else. Love the game on HOF Sim and will continue to support only 2k. Maybe they will read these posts maybe not... Either way I still need some 2nd rounders, no injuries, and could someone please double team LMA in the post :/

[rudawaknchi2nev]

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I've been playing NBA 2k for 11 years. I think we all got spoiled in recent years. But I agree with you, All I want is full roster every week, correct colors, and a double team.

I only support 2k nobody else. Love the game on HOF Sim and will continue to support only 2k. Maybe they will read these posts maybe not... Either way I still need some 2nd rounders, no injuries, and could someone please double team LMA in the post :/

I totally agree with you hopefully fri night sat morning we will see a update

[MillerTime89]

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All i've looked forward to this Winter Break was playing NBA 2K12 and finally starting an Association. I've had this game since it's midnight release and refuse to do a Association until the rosters are updated with all the rookies. Sadly, my break is almost over and we still do not have the complete rosters 2k promised us for opening day. I'm really frustrated and tired of waiting... 2k has really disappointed me with their roster updating thus far.

Sorry for the rant

[Twista209]

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Still, LMAO at all the people on here kissing 2K's butt. You are the customer fools. It should be the other way around. Holiday breaks are non sense when you have an unfinished product.

[danyl2002]

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[Court_vision]

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Spoiled was the wrong word to use - that much we agree on. NINJAK articulated my opinion far better than I did, and you saying you're disappointed is also something I can understand. I've said in the past if there was a year people couldn't criticize a company for slacking off, it would've been this one. They had just released what was widely acknowledged as the greatest basketball game to date in NBA2K11. They were faced with the uncertainty of the NBA's labor situation. And no other sports game dev was taking on the task of making another NBA game. Even with that, I have a hard time understanding anyone labeling their effort with 2K12 as an act of complacency. I'd argue it was the most ambitious sport titles to release this year. I've never heard anyone make the argument: "No, these three other sports games were more ambitious". They only point to what they feel is wrong, which is being shortsighted imo because you're not taking into account the amount of content they got right or aspects where they are going above and beyond, in relation to their sports game counterparts.

Again, I understand wanting up to date rosters. The double-team issue is debateable though. It took almost a month after the game released that anyone mentioned a possible problem, and even after that most people don't see the issue as some huge game-breaking problem that some identify it as. It'd be nice if 2K did address it or said something, but given how some people take anything said in a strict literal sense, I can see where it's better to say nothing. Especially when most people aren't up in arms about the issue.

Either way, getting too long-winded. Basically just saying I can understand if you want to question their success with what was implemented in 2K12 - I don't see how anyone could question their effort. I can understand being disappointed, but I don't see how you could label their effort as complacent.

Fair enough bro and I apolgise for my comments also. Re "effort" though...it would take 5 mins to update what's going on with the missing rookies and players......and another 5 mins to let us know what / if anything they are going to do about the double team issue.

For me, i just want to know...if they are going to fix it, then I can start a season using a team with a low post threat and know it will be fixed soon enough. If it's not going to be fixed........then I'll have to play with the Wizards or Cavs etc.

Using a dominant low post scorer = the game is seriously broken. You can back down, back down, spin towards the hoop and score almost every possesion as there's no double team and the help D comes on the other side...it's a massive game killer if you have a highly rated post scorer.

Just let us know what's happening + when the rookies will be in........that will take 10 mins to type up and tweet / post. That's not much "effort".

IMO they have become complacent / arrogant. I've been a supporter of 2K for a long time, but they are EA like with their attitude nowadays IMO.