So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

**Colts18** · 03-09-2012, 10:59 AM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

The amount of open court steals is something that bothers me. I played the Thunder last night and Westbrook stole the ball from my Kyrie Irving like 3 times in the open court. 2 of those times I was in the Y-prone, meaning my back was to him because I noticed he was a reacher. Too many open court steals and not enough reaching fouls.

**daveberg** · 03-09-2012, 02:00 PM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Doesn't matter how 'sim' you play, if the other guy is a cheeser, the game you are playing is no longer a simulation of proper basketball and to me, completely pointless in playing.

**Ramboooo** · 03-09-2012, 03:28 PM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Originally posted by fluent2332

Interesting note about defense: Recent studies have shown that if a shot is well defended (i.e. getting a hand up within 3 feet of the shooter), the shooting percentage on average is lowered by 12%. 12%. Getting a hand up is only going to get you so far. You need luck on your side too. That is also reflected in the game mechanics of 2K12 (lucky/unlucky shots).

That's what I've been telling people about 2K12. It's a real simulation. It mimics the real life game of basketball very well.

Too much Luck in a videogame is not a good thing. The % of realistic action = realistic result should be a lot higher in a videogame over real life. Yeah in real life, shi* happens, etc etc. But that's gotta be one of the most annoying things in a videogame - especially a sports video game --- if you're doing everything right, smart tactics, yet as luck would have it, it's not having an effect. I think the balance in 2K12 is pretty good, stuff happens as it should. If you play smart D, you're rewarded, etc.

One thing I think the next game should try to improve on is defensive control. Too much sliding. If foot-planting on D was like NBA 2K8 pre-patch it'd be PERFECT.

**Ramboooo** · 03-09-2012, 03:34 PM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Originally posted by daveberg

Doesn't matter how 'sim' you play, if the other guy is a cheeser, the game you are playing is no longer a simulation of proper basketball and to me, completely pointless in playing.

I think there's 2 types of Sim baller. One who wants to play the game in the most realistic way so it looks like a real nba game you'd watch on tv. And one who wants the gameplay to reflect the dynamics of real life ball. I'm probably mostly the 2nd one. If the physics, action / result, reward system is accurate to reality, then I'm good....half the battle is won because Sim ball = winning ball in that case. I compare it to a real court pickup game. If some noob player walks on the court and plays. Would I refuse to play if he was a cheeser, aka forced his way into the paint, forced shots, ran around in circles dribbling. I wouldn't call him a cheeser in real life, I'd call him someone new or with bad basketball IQ. But I wouldn't leave the game or say the game isn't worth playing because basketball is still basketball regardless of the participants.

**Ramboooo** · 03-09-2012, 03:47 PM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

As I was saying earlier,

bringing back crew and destroying cheaters should be the focus for the next game. If those 2 things aren't taken care of, any improvements in other areas kinda pale in comparison. I will seriously look to Nba Live for multiplayer if it's another year of crew problems or non-existent.

Online Gameplay is pretty good this year though. My record is like 40-15. If I"m doing good that usually indicates a good game, not just saying that cuz I'm winning either. Just saying with games where noobs have a lot of access to dominant cheese moves, I'll have worse records. The cheese is thin this year.

**daveberg** · 03-09-2012, 09:32 PM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Have played 6 games tonight. Not one opponent posted up. Not one opponent took their finger off turbo. Not one opponent used any plays. Not one opponent played anything remotely like real basketball.

I just don't know how you guys tolerate online, it's total bull****.

**daveberg** · 03-12-2012, 05:39 AM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

4 games this morning. All triple teaming on every possession, turboing to the baseline on every play for a dunk, sliding through defenders without getting offensive fouls called, no post ups, No plays, no passing. Just utter rubbish.

And there's some of you out there that enjoy this ish?!

**akinyele77** · 03-12-2012, 06:16 AM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Yesterday i played a guy named CJ_C ( on PS3 ), i was the indiana pacers and he takes the toronto raptor.
at 4-4 he score with calderon a contested lay up and start a replay, for about 2 mins he watch again and again the replay to piss me off, then he show me my bench and his. when it rest on 10 sec on the pause menu he start take timeouts, he take all the timeout in hope to make me quit i guess but i dont !
so he play and i destroyed him !!
at 1 sec from the end of the game he pause and let the 10 sec of the pause menu, then i took the automatic victory .

please 2k make some kind of user profil menu before we start a game to know who you gonna play with !
so sick of these kids/cheesers/pull-out glitchers !!

**Colts18** · 03-12-2012, 07:34 AM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Is it me or does anyone constantly hear themselves saying the following during an online matchup

"Thats some bull_ _ _ _"
"Why the ____ do you allow people to do stuff like this 2K"

I get pissed off at some of the things that fly in this game. Pisses me off at times.

**cardinalbird5** · 03-12-2012, 09:06 AM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Originally posted by daveberg

4 games this morning. All triple teaming on every possession, turboing to the baseline on every play for a dunk, sliding through defenders without getting offensive fouls called, no post ups, No plays, no passing. Just utter rubbish.

And there's some of you out there that enjoy this ish?!

Do you play pick up games ever? People do the same thing honestly. No plays, no screens ( I will be the only one setting screens and people will look at me like I am weird, no ball movement, no post ups ( I will be one of the few to post up, no box outs, and on offense all it is people trying to drive and make a tough shot in traffic. NBA 2k is kind of the same thing. People think that is real basketball and they don't know better. Honestly you shouldn't be mad if you are just plain better than someone. You can't expect 12 year olds to play SIM when they have no idea in hell what that is or don't know the game as much as we do.

**Colts18** · 03-12-2012, 09:08 AM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

You know what is interesting? All of the cheesers that I play I hardly ever see them even use simple screen-and-roll actions. I would expect them to abuse that but they never even use that. But honestly, the team I fear the most isn't the Heat it is the Thunder. Westbrook goes off on me anytime I play. Any tips on stopping this dude? His 3PT is too wet for his own good, didn't know his shooting range was that good. Thanks 2KInsider.

**daveberg** · 03-12-2012, 09:33 AM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Originally posted by cardinalbird7

Do you play pick up games ever? People do the same thing honestly. No plays, no screens ( I will be the only one setting screens and people will look at me like I am weird, no ball movement, no post ups ( I will be one of the few to post up, no box outs, and on offense all it is people trying to drive and make a tough shot in traffic. NBA 2k is kind of the same thing. People think that is real basketball and they don't know better. Honestly you shouldn't be mad if you are just plain better than someone. You can't expect 12 year olds to play SIM when they have no idea in hell what that is or don't know the game as much as we do.

If i'm at my local court and someone plays me and they're utter trash, I kindly cut the game short, happened yesterday in fact. Played a 4 v 4 and my teammates had no idea how to play at all, so I upped and left the court, it's not about me being better, it's about being able to play 'properly' or at least have some basic understanding of how the game works.

I've really tried the last few days with online, I really have, i'm up to my 6th game now today, and i'm literally at the point where I want to throw the controller through the screen. Not one single decent opponent. I'm done now, back to offline, where I can at least get some decent play and not worry about turbo hounds, spam stealers and triple teaming every player on my team, even the deep reserves.

/rant.

**MrMars** · 03-12-2012, 11:08 AM

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What this appears to allow is the user to pick the player with the best steal rating to basically run around steal spamming. Nobody plays on-ball defense, everybody lets the cpu handle the initial matchups and comes in controlling the help defense. With the bumping issue this works well, allowing time to pick the right player to bring the help with.

Also, everyone I played ran full court press the whole game while steal spamming, sent manual double teams to any player with the ball and THEN! controlled a third player to steal spam. And they must put fastbreak to max in coach profile, because when the steal spam works they seem to have three players out in front on the break before you can adjust to the situation.

Their contested shots seem to go in much more frequently, than your uncontested shots, and the same 4 teams are always picked MIA, OKC, CHI, and LAL. Now I realize there are levels of ability in playing this style, and some do it better than others. The issue is, in my opinion, if you have two players with roughly equal skill and equal teams the cheese strategy will prevail over the true basketball strategy. The bottom line is this, (Pay attention 2KSports)

It is easier to play this way than it is to play with any resemblance of true basketball strategy. Furthermore, true basketball strategy trying to be used to combat this style seems underpowered. Quite frankly, I can understand why everybody plays this way—It Works!

To make matters even worse, I tried over and over to play with someone on my friends list and we could never get it to connect. But I have no problem getting a random that plays this crappy style. 2K, here is the solution; create lobbies that have pre-determined settings that align better with sim and arcade styles. Make the sim style setting such that it rewards well executed basketball strategy, and punishes this exploitative style of play.

Peace

MrMars

**blues rocker** · 03-12-2012, 09:40 PM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Originally posted by MrMars

Their contested shots seem to go in much more frequently, than your uncontested shots, and the same 4 teams are always picked MIA, OKC, CHI, and LAL. Now I realize there are levels of ability in playing this style, and some do it better than others. The issue is, in my opinion, if you have two players with roughly equal skill and equal teams the cheese strategy will prevail over the true basketball strategy. The bottom line is this, (Pay attention 2KSports)

It is easier to play this way than it is to play with any resemblance of true basketball strategy. Furthermore, true basketball strategy trying to be used to combat this style seems underpowered. Quite frankly, I can understand why everybody plays this way—It Works!

I here that.

**cardinalbird5** · 03-12-2012, 10:15 PM

Re: So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

Originally posted by daveberg

If i'm at my local court and someone plays me and they're utter trash, I kindly cut the game short, happened yesterday in fact. Played a 4 v 4 and my teammates had no idea how to play at all, so I upped and left the court, it's not about me being better, it's about being able to play 'properly' or at least have some basic understanding of how the game works.

I've really tried the last few days with online, I really have, i'm up to my 6th game now today, and i'm literally at the point where I want to throw the controller through the screen. Not one single decent opponent. I'm done now, back to offline, where I can at least get some decent play and not worry about turbo hounds, spam stealers and triple teaming every player on my team, even the deep reserves.

/rant.

I think your problem lies greater within a video game. It seems to me you are trying to find anything anywhere to resemble good basketball. Maybe you should enter a rec league or look into coaching? I actually coached this past winter and enjoyed it. It is satisfying.

So why doesn't anyone like the online this year?

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