The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

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Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

its not only pick and pop!! not like guys like chandler or howard will hit mid range jumpers because of a +4 mid rnge boost! howard is one of the best pick n roll players in the league he definitely deserves it

That's true, good point.

[hear me now]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Badboys3 my point was that you would exclude Lin, but he lives off the pick and roll too and he shoots better than Bynum.

[OkayC]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

I think Tim Duncan needs floor general. But tony parker needs it taken away. Not that I dislike parker, but he's a scoring guard he doesn't really make his teammates better when there on the floor. And sefolosha needs corner 3 now.

[BADBOYS3]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Badboys3 my point was that you would exclude Lin, but he lives off the pick and roll too and he shoots better than Bynum.

Pick & Roll Maestro is a scoring boost (with a bit of pass accuracy mixed in). It's not just a catch-all term for every player who partakes in pick & roll plays (or at least it shouldn't be). Bynum's scoring is like night and day when you set a pick for him. Whereas I think Lin just needs a passing skill (Dimer), if anything. Lin uses the pick & roll as a scorer too, but from what I've seen, it doesn't warrant him being transformed into a different caliber.


edit: here are some FG% stats via Synergy:

LIN:
47% on pick & roll (26% of his plays)
39% on everything else (excluding transition)

BYNUM:
50% on pick & roll (46% of his plays)
37% on everything else (excluding transition)


8% jump for Lin, 13% jump for Bynum. Respectively, there's also a 3% drop and boost on 3P% in the pick & roll. While Lin does see an improvement overall, I'm not sure how much better it is relative to other PGs. After all, any player having a pick set for them should be getting better looks.

[mango_prom]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Pick & Roll Maestro is a scoring boost (with a bit of pass accuracy mixed in). It's not just a catch-all term for every player who partakes in pick & roll plays (or at least it shouldn't be). Bynum's scoring is like night and day when you set a pick for him. Whereas I think Lin just needs a passing skill (Dimer), if anything. Lin uses the pick & roll as a scorer too, but from what I've seen, it doesn't warrant him being transformed into a different caliber.


edit: here are some FG% stats via Synergy:

LIN:
47% on pick & roll (26% of his plays)
39% on everything else (excluding transition)

BYNUM:
50% on pick & roll (46% of his plays)
37% on everything else (excluding transition)


8% jump for Lin, 13% jump for Bynum. Respectively, there's also a 3% drop and boost on 3P% in the pick & roll. While Lin does see an improvement overall, I'm not sure how much better it is relative to other PGs. After all, any player having a pick set for them should be getting better looks.

Are these Synergy stats available for free somewhere?

About Bynum...in general I have to agree, and his PnR efficiency surprised me a bit. But I see problems with sig skills there...

1) I don't know the exact numbers for PGs across the league regarding efficiency while running a PnR. But I'd expect an increase of FG% more often than not. Not sure on the extent though. So is 50% in the top tier compared to other PGs?

2) Bynum is playing quite limited minutes for the Pistons. Now he's a pretty efficient player in his role, can't deny that. But if you assign sig skills in 2k, they are triggered no matter how many minutes a player gets. In other words, with certain sig skills assigned to role players and the lack of stamina and general player roles having any kind of impact, you turn those players into overpowered starters. Don't like that at all.

So some player is contributing efficient 15-20 mpg and gets rewarded with sig skills in the game, nothing stops me from using him as a starter playing major minutes without any drop in efficiency. That's why you can abuse players like Korver and Novak online. Sig skills work out of context, so you can do stuff which really wouldn't work in real life. Let's even say Bynum is underrated or whatever...but I think you would agree that he wouldn't turn into Kyrie Irving if he played 35 mpg. But this is kind of what happens in 2k if role players get sig skills that work out of context.

But it's nice you actually provide stats for your ideas, unlike most children in this thread...

And Jeremy Lin...Dimer? Is he even a Top 20 passer in this league? Even if he was...we have a passing rating. So before handing out sig skills, we can use this, too. So give Lin a 90+ in passing? If not, why the dimer sig skill?

[EASTS2k]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Finisher, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

   
   
   
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

[Optik]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

^^I'll let someone else post an appropriate gif for this nonsense.

[mango_prom]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

^^I'll let someone else post an appropriate gif for this nonsense.

[thedream2k13]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Prime example of why 2k doesn't need to listen to the "community " and instead only use real stats /efficiency. This Guy overrating a team he most likely started following once James went there. rashard Lewis lol

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Finisher, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

   
   
   
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

[mango_prom]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Prime example of why 2k doesn't need to listen to the "community " and instead only use real stats /efficiency. This Guy overrating a team he most likely started following once James went there. rashard Lewis lol

In before "But da Heatz are da 2013 champz, 3 peat babyyy!!!"

[ThatKidNamedTae]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Finisher, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

   
   
   
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

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Just stop.

[OkayC]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

For my HEATS:

Starting with the starting FIIIVE:

1. Mario Chalmers: Finisher, Deadeye, Finisher, Acrobat, Closer
   
   -Chalmers gamewinning 3 against DRose in College:
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvbTrE8VBo

   
   
   -Chalmers drops 25 on KD in game 4 of the Finals
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FFMQZ8sho

   
   
   
2. Dwyane Wade: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, Ankle-breaker
3. LeBron James: Finisher, Acrobat, Closer, Posterizer, LBJ C-C, Lockdown defender, Dimer, Post playmaker, too many to name.. 2k gotta make an exception for this guy..
4. Udonis Haslem: Hustle points, Charge card, Scrapper, Tenacious RBDer, Deadeye (Killed Pacers with his midrange baseline)
5. Chris Bosh: Finisher, Deadeye, Corner specialist, Posterizer, One man fast break (Chris Bosh has handles).
   
   -Chris Bosh dunks on everyone
   

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7qQAawLk78

   
   
   -One man fast break
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO5WGaQPZho

HEATLES BENCHH:

1. Ray Allen: 3pt, Corner specialist, Deadeye, Lockdown defender, C-C-CLOSER GAME 6 BBYYY
2. Chris Andersen: Hustle Points, Scrapper, Tenacious RBD, Screen Outlet
3. Joel Anthony: Even I can't give him a sig..
4. Shane Battier: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
5. Norris Cole: Finisher, Acrobat, Lockdown defender, LBJ C-C, One man fast break
6. James Ennis: Finisher, Posterizer, Hustle points, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
7. Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
8. James Jones: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
9. Rashard Lewis: Hustle Points, Charge Card, Corner Specialist, Dead eye, 3pt specialist
10. Greg Oden: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper
11. Jarvis Varnado: Finisher, Hustle Points, Posterizer, Highlight film, Tenacious RBDer

Might be reaching on a few, but I think we can all agree on most of them.. GO HEATS #HEATPEAT #3PEATHEAT

LOL maybe we should give haslem 4th quarter closer and lockdown defender while were at it( cuz I remember this one time when he hit a shot late in the fourth quarter, and another time when he played good defense on somebody). Lol or give Chalmers microwave( cuz there's this one time where he hit a three, then lit it up for 10 friggin points). Lol this guy^^^

[BADBOYS3]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Are these Synergy stats available for free somewhere?

About Bynum...in general I have to agree, and his PnR efficiency surprised me a bit. But I see problems with sig skills there...

1) I don't know the exact numbers for PGs across the league regarding efficiency while running a PnR. But I'd expect an increase of FG% more often than not. Not sure on the extent though. So is 50% in the top tier compared to other PGs?

2) Bynum is playing quite limited minutes for the Pistons. Now he's a pretty efficient player in his role, can't deny that. But if you assign sig skills in 2k, they are triggered no matter how many minutes a player gets. In other words, with certain sig skills assigned to role players and the lack of stamina and general player roles having any kind of impact, you turn those players into overpowered starters. Don't like that at all.

So some player is contributing efficient 15-20 mpg and gets rewarded with sig skills in the game, nothing stops me from using him as a starter playing major minutes without any drop in efficiency. That's why you can abuse players like Korver and Novak online. Sig skills work out of context, so you can do stuff which really wouldn't work in real life. Let's even say Bynum is underrated or whatever...but I think you would agree that he wouldn't turn into Kyrie Irving if he played 35 mpg. But this is kind of what happens in 2k if role players get sig skills that work out of context.

But it's nice you actually provide stats for your ideas, unlike most children in this thread...

And Jeremy Lin...Dimer? Is he even a Top 20 passer in this league? Even if he was...we have a passing rating. So before handing out sig skills, we can use this, too. So give Lin a 90+ in passing? If not, why the dimer sig skill?

(You can access this stuff on the Synergy website)

I didn't feel like doing any real number crunching, but from an eye test, the league average for starting PG's seems to be around 44% as a P&R scorer. So actually, Lin made out pretty well (Parker, Rondo and CP3 were the only starters I noticed with better percentages). But at the same time, his usage of it (26%) appears to be about 5% below the league average. And about 12-20% below guys like Tony Parker and CP3, who are locks for the skill. So who knows how 2K will play it . As for Lin having Dimer, I think he's justified as a pick & roll passer. It might be unfair to give him a skill that applies to ALL of his passing, but I was kinda just throwing other posters a bone. Doesn't really matter to me if he gets a passing skill or not.



As for Will Bynum:

Weighted for percentage and usage, Tony Parker (48%/46%) is the most deadly P&R starter in the league. And Will Bynum is pretty much his bench counterpart (50%/46%). I think you have to give him something. Remember that sig skills are relative to the players' ratings. The reason you can abuse Korver and Novak is because they have 90 3P ratings BEFORE the skills even kick in. With Bynum, on the other hand, we're talking about a guy whose core offensive ratings will probably look like: 85 Inside, 75 Close, 72 Medium, 70 Three. Adding 3 points to those won't make him Kyrie Irving lol. Ratings wise, that boost basically puts him where 2K has Rodney Stuckey...and even then, only in the pick & roll

[BADBOYS3]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Juwan Howard: Post Proficiency, Hustle Points, Post playmaker, Screen Outlet, Scrapper

this is where I passed out

[Optik]

Re: The "I Think this Player Deserves this Sig Skill" Thread

Can someone please attempt to justify 2K's introduction of PnR maestro and Screen Outlet? If a guard can shoot well off the dribble, as well as have good speed and handles, surely they'll be good shooting off a pick? If a guard is rated 85+ in Passing, surely that means they're a good passer in the PnR, right?

If someone has good speed, vertical, layup and dunk ratings a la Blake Griffin, surely that means they're a good roll man? Why boost their stats for that for differentiation? The ratings do that already. Does Kevin Love really need six extra points added to his shooting ratings when he's popping of a pick?

The only Sig Skills that make sense are the ones that fill situational holes in the game like chasedown artist (which ironically was one of the ones that was close to useless this year), not ones that add stuff to situations that are already accounted for.