Best blockers are useless in this game!

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibGtr3F9Bc

remember when we could actually protect the paint with elite shot blockers?
heres a reminder

Ahhh...pure poetry in motion. The beauty of those blocks was the fact the ball actually WENT somewhere instead of stopping mid-air and falling down or changing trajectory so that the block merely ends up in the hands of another offensive player.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

That animation is triggered to be a block.We are talking about when someone is in a dunk animation, and then you jump to block it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nJZ5o60UsQ

While I agree that there is a sliding issue with some dunks, there are plenty of dunk IRL where the defender gets moved back and dunked on.

Is the issue that Tayshaun did not fall over or 'create contact'? Offline this can be corrected with slider adjustments, online it is a factor

We cannot go back to 2k11 blocks as it will create the same problem 2k had then, too many blocks on iffy situations. If its too easily trigger-able then the gambit of it happening too often arises as people figure out how to manipulate it. Then we will see the "OMG Andre Miller is blocking like he is D12, 2k fix this ish" type comments over and over and over again.


2:10 Wilkins dunk animations is interrupted.
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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

Video doesn't claim anything... "Kaman blocked dunk?" is a question not a claim, my goodness.

First two posts of this thread;




Title of the thread; Definition of useless; Took the liberty to highlight and bold somethings for you.

Why are you defending the lack of defense in this game so much? The defense is HORRIBLE in this game and NBA 2K12. If you haven't figured it out, people are not trying to use the RS as their crutch for playing "good" defense. There are players who want to play their own defense every single step of the way. When I say I want to play defense, I WANT to play defense and get rewarded. I don't want to run around then press the RS to block or contest a shot with some game-decided animation. I want to press a button at the right time, and send the d*mn shot in the nosebleed seats. Especially when my opponent so stupid that he keeps attacking the paint on every possession.

I don't mind my opponent being fearless about attacking the paint, but I don't want them attacking the paint WITHOUT fear. Funny, I just found a video that shows how ineffective blocking is even if you do make contact with the ball....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-MaE5mm8pU

Minus the last block, notice how the ball stops in mid-air and comes back down.

[coldkevin]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

Video doesn't claim anything... "Kaman blocked dunk?" is a question not a claim, my goodness.

First two posts of this thread;




Title of the thread; Definition of useless; Took the liberty to highlight and bold somethings for you.

Right, I was talking about players who should be more skilled in blocks, not blocking in general, i have no problem from this point of you.

After some testing I realized that the best way to succeed is LT+Y, the bad news is that once again are the players most unexpected to be more successful, what a mess...

[hear me now]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

While I agree that there is a sliding issue with some dunks, there are plenty of dunk IRL where the defender gets moved back and dunked on.

Is the issue that Tayshaun did not fall over or 'create contact'? Offline this can be corrected with slider adjustments, online it is a factor

We cannot go back to 2k11 blocks as it will create the same problem 2k had then, too many blocks on iffy situations. If its too easily trigger-able then the gambit of it happening too often arises as people figure out how to manipulate it. Then we will see the "OMG Andre Miller is blocking like he is D12, 2k fix this ish" type comments over and over and over again.


2:10 Wilkins dunk animations is interrupted.
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I like how you ignored the arm passing through the ball.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

Why are you defending the lack of defense in this game so much? The defense is HORRIBLE in this game and NBA 2K12. If you haven't figured it out, people are not trying to use the RS as their crutch for playing "good" defense. There are players who want to play their own defense every single step of the way. When I say I want to play defense, I WANT to play defense and get rewarded. I don't want to run around then press the RS to block or contest a shot with some game-decided animation. I want to press a button at the right time, and send the d*mn shot in the nosebleed seats. Especially when my opponent so stupid that he keeps attacking the paint on every possession.

I don't mind my opponent being fearless about attacking the paint, but I don't want them attacking the paint WITHOUT fear. Funny, I just found a video that shows how ineffective blocking is even if you do make contact with the ball....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-MaE5mm8pU

Minus the last block, notice how ball stops in mid-air and comes back down.

How is RS a crutch? You still have to time it right. It is still a button press, just as pressing Y is a button press, you also have to time those right too, just because people have an issue with doing it does not mean it doesn't happen.

If you don't want to use RS to help your defense that's on you. I am merely showing that blocks happen in all sorts of situations, they are in the game. Not the constant point that no blocks happen/cannot be done by users in 2k13.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

I like how you ignored the arm passing through the ball.

I like how you ignored the reason I posted that video.

So at 2:10 was the dunk animations interrupted or not?

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

How is RS a crutch? You still have to time it right. It is still a button press, just as pressing Y is a button press, you also have to time those right too, just because people have an issue with doing it does not mean it doesn't happen.

If you don't want to use RS to help your defense that's on you. I am merely showing that blocks happen in all sorts of situations, they are in the game. Not the constant point that no blocks happen/cannot be done by users in 2k13.

It's a crutch. All you have to do is press on the RS, regardless of when the player actually shoots, and the game will auto-contest the shot for you if you're close enough to the player. If you're lucky, you might get a block out of the deal. How is that not a crutch? A player could literally go through an entire game and not press y/triangle one time, because they can auto-contest with the RS. With the RS, there's no such thing as jumping too early or too late and accepting the consequences of your mistimed jump.

[hear me now]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

I like how you ignored the reason I posted that video.

So at 2:10 was the dunk animations interrupted or not?

You are not understanding peoples' complaints,he didn't even get off the ground.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

It's a crutch. All you have to do is press on the RS, regardless of when the player actually shoots, and the game will auto-contest the shot for you if you're close enough to the player. If you're lucky, you might get a block out of the deal. How is that not a crutch? A player could literally go through an entire game and not press y/triangle one time, because they can auto-contest with the RS. With the RS, there's no such thing as jumping too early or too late and accepting the consequences of your mistimed jump.

If you press RS towards the shooter early or late you will not get a block or a good contest. RS still has timing, RS away will contest the shot nearly everytime but I have never got a block off of RS away, always RS towards.

You wanna know what a crutch is, defensive assist above 0. Not RS.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

You are not understanding peoples' complaints,he didn't even get off the ground.

No I do get what you are saying. If you jump you cannot stop a dunk animation, but that is untrue. The video I posted was to show that you can stop dunk animations before they take off.

Okay I see you are talking about Stuckey's hand in that Detriot Heat video. Yes that sucks, and its obviously do to 2k getting rid of the live ball from 2k12 as people were crying about the ball being knocked out too often. I thought you were talking about the dunk not being stopped by Tayshaun.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

If you press RS towards the shooter early or late you will not get a block or a good contest. RS still has timing, RS away will contest the shot nearly everytime but I have never got a block off of RS away, always RS towards.

You wanna know what a crutch is, defensive assist above 0. Not RS.

Tell 2K Sports to fix the sliding that occurs when you're trying to play on-the-ball defense and give defensive players BETTER footplanting ala NBA 2K11, and they can do away with defensive assist completely.

[hear me now]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

No I do get what you are saying. If you jump you cannot stop a dunk animation, but that is untrue. The video I posted was to show that you can stop dunk animations before they take off.

Also in the video with Tayshaun, he did not get off the ground either.

See, there is contradiction with that.You can stop them on the ground(two player animation),but in the air you will get a glitched block attempt.

[Vni]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

I agree with you mostly Jwill but let's not act like you could often disrupt dunking animations even before they start. It's still a rare occurence.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Best blockers are useless in this game!

Tell 2K Sports to fix the sliding that occurs when you're trying to play on-the-ball defense and give defensive players BETTER footplanting ala NBA 2K11, and they can do away with defensive assist completely.

I don't have a big problem with on-the-ball defense, now I am not saying there isn't an issue with on-the-ball defense either. Defense does need a slight boost, this can be done in 2k13 with a ratings boost to everyone in the on-ball attribute. I did so in a test OA and everyone who was in could play on-ball defense without any major problems that you see with Quick Ranked matches.

See, there is contradiction with that.You can stop them on the ground(two player animation),but in the air you will get a glitched block attempt.

Whats the contradiction I dont get it right now, can you explain what you mean.

I agree with you mostly Jwill but let's not act like you could often disrupt dunking animations even before they start. It's still a rare occurence.

Just as blocking dunks in real life is a rare occurrence against the overall number of dunks.