Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

1 isn't a blocked dunk it's a missed dunk.
2 is a blocked layup he clearly wasn't trying to dunk(i've triggered the same animation when i try to do a layup with a big man sometimes)
3. Same thing, it's just a canned block animation on a layup.

1. Wright collected a blocked stat for that, head to head online, definite blocked dunk sorry folks.
2. Please show me a layup animation where the player palms the ball from behind and lays it in as so. I can show a dunk animation that starts off exactly like this though.
3. I'll give you this one. Still a block in and around the paint none the less.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

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START AT 2:10, WILKINS DUNK ATTEMPT GATHER IS INTERRUPTED
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START WATCHING AT 1:58, CLEAR BLOCK DUNK AS THE RIM MOVES.
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[MrMars]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

I do not believe there is a widespread belief or suggestion that blocked dunks should occur every time a defender has position. I also disagree with your notion that, "blocked dunks are so rare it's not even funny". To me, quadruple doubles are so rare it's not even funny. Blocked dunks are something that happens almost every night in the NBA. We remember the spectacular blocks (Maxiell on Chandler) but there's lower key dunk blocks happening everywhere, we just tend not to notice them as much (similar to many of the Drummond examples).

Unfortunately, NBA 2K13 most often does not account for the ability to block a dunk at all. If a shot blocking defender has an angle, good positioning, and has room and time to explode and that offensive player attempts a layup, 2K will often allow that defender to block or bother the shot. However, under the same defensive circumstances, if that offensive player initiates a dunk command, and that defender again correctly attempts to contest, they have nearly a 0% chance of blocking the dunk. Instead, the offensive player will very likely push the defender backward in midair, defying physics, then dunk the ball cleanly through the rim, perhaps with a foul.

I think the better question would be, why wouldn't you think blocking a dunk is realistic?

I agree, this happens to me all the time. the only difference is that I get this weird animation, almost as if the engine didn't know, or have the proper animation for the situation, and it ends up being a goaltending call with a foul and a free throw. The most bizarre thing is the ball never entered the hoop nor my defender got the block visually.

MrMars

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

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Come on man! Why can't u just admit blocking dunks needs improvement . Do you play online quick matches, teamup, or myteam?

I guarantee I can post more videos of what should have been blocks than you ...

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

Come on man! Why can't u just admit blocking dunks needs improvement . Do you play online quick matches, teamup, or myteam?

I guarantee I can post more videos of what should have been blocks than you ...

Please tell me where I have stated that blocks do not need improvement. If anything I actually have put out questions to help the DEVS in the other thread about blocks. I play all the modes, not all the time, but I try and get 1 game in a day if I can. My point is that blocks happen in 2k13, all sorts, jumpers, layups, hooks, up n unders, block dunks (certain block animations), and you can interrupt block animations while they are gathering, I have provided evidence for all of these but yet we still get threads from people whining about no blocks at all.

I'm sorry this is such a catch 22 for 2k, if they implemented true blocks at the rim (which is really what everyone is asking for, to include dunks and lays).

They would have to deal with these questions/scenarios, etc.

If allowed, would it be purely timing based or contextual? What would be the rating (blocks) to enable these animations? Height? Strength? Sig Skill? They all have to be involved.

Now once you take into account, Height, Strength, Block Rating, Movement (momentum), Low Post Defense (for stopping drop step dunks in the post), etc, etc...

How do you do it so that bigs and guards can both do this? Once you answer that, here is the next question... Do you give the ability for the USER to trigger this (timing) or should this be a purely contextual situation (right place + defenders ability) or should it be combo of both?

If the USER is allowed to trigger (user skill basically) then you run into the gambit of it happening way more often than it does in real life... and you'll see the complaints of "OMG Andre Miller is blocking everydunk", "OMG I can't dunk with Kobe, every PG is like Mutumbo on the court, 2k fix this ish".

If CONTEXTUAL, you'll get the "it doesn't happen enough", "why can the CPU do this but not me"... etc... etc...

So the real question is, does this happen enough to warrant such a change in game mechanics in the paint to allow this to trigger/happen more often than it does now? (I've seen dunks blocked from behind several times, you first have to lower dunk ability and raise some defensive sliders as well, I know this doesn't count for online ranked mode, but what do you expect from PRO/CASUAL. I have also seen one dunk in 2k13 blocked straight up with the defender in-between the rim and the ball, wish I had saved it as I haven't seen it again since)

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

Please tell me where I have stated that blocks do not need improvement. If anything I actually have put out questions to help the DEVS in the other thread about blocks. I play all the modes, not all the time, but I try and get 1 game in a day if I can. My point is that blocks happen in 2k13, all sorts, jumpers, layups, hooks, up n unders, block dunks (certain block animations), and you can interrupt block animations while they are gathering, I have provided evidence for all of these but yet we still get threads from people whining about no blocks at all.

1 game a day ? I play 5-10 day.

But all of us here think you're saying there's nothing wrong with blocking dunks by posting videos.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

1 game a day ? I play 5-10 day.

But all of us here think you're saying there's nothing wrong with blocking dunks by posting videos.

No I am posting them to show they exist, I have stated numerous times they need to be worked on, but 2k cannot go back to 2k11 style blocks as it will be abused and then we will have the same problem we had back in 2011, "OMG my dunks are being blocked all the time, this is BS 2k FIX this ish".

[thedream2k13]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

No I am posting them to show they exist, I have stated numerous times they need to be worked on, but 2k cannot go back to 2k11 style blocks as it will be abused and then we will have the same problem we had back in 2011, "OMG my dunks are being blocked all the time, this is BS 2k FIX this ish".

who complains about competent defensive rotations and shot blocking? casuals? The 2k11 vid i posted had it right. Guys that are known shot blockers did their job around the rim.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

who complains about competent defensive rotations and shot blocking? casuals? The 2k11 vid i posted had it right. Guys that are known shot blockers did their job around the rim.

I have no problems with defensive rotations, if you do I would say user error more than likely, and that goes into several different areas of the game, not necessarily user controller error.

The 2k11 video you posted showed nothing that's not still in the game now. Some jumpers getting blocked, McGees blocks was the only block I have not seen in 2k13. Dwade had a nice block as well, but I can show one from 2k13 that is very similar in style. Point is that blocks happen in 13, whether it be from a jumper or a layup/dunk.

[sirjam]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

The Dreams vid has me about to go get 2k11 again. You can't even really block layups in this game. YOu always get canned animations that seem to hold your man back so he can't block anything or throws your timing off. Its a shame that D is almost non existent in this game as far as protecting the paint. smh

[NickYoungGoat]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

The Dreams vid has me about to go get 2k11 again. You can't even really block layups in this game. YOu always get canned animations that seem to hold your man back so he can't block anything or throws your timing off. Its a shame that D is almost non existent in this game as far as protecting the paint. smh

So much truth how do they year by year get worst than 2k8 and 2k11 smh it gotten to the point I don't even sub in shot blocker cause what's the point when I'm in perfect position and timing is correct and the DAMN ball go through my player hands and I get dunk on.

[NINJAK2]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

A lot of great points made in this thread. I think most people don't want the ability to block ALL dunks EVERYTIME. I think more than anything people just want defender presence to matter on these dunks-Force defenders into adjusting their bodies to complete a more difficult dunk attempt which may result in a miss. There are quite a few examples in this vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eULpnD8Mjs

What people don't want to see is defenders getting slid out of the way when in position like wooden chess pieces allowing players to complete uninterupted self alley's or standard dunks.

Until 2k14 comes out though RS defense combined with left trigger seems to have a bigger impact on blocking dunks/layups compared to just using block button..

[mango_prom]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

A lot of great points made in this thread. I think most people don't want the ability to block ALL dunks EVERYTIME. I think more than anything people just want defender presence to matter on these dunks-Force defenders into adjusting their bodies to complete a more difficult dunk attempt which may result in a miss

Exactly...it's not about monster blocks on every possession, but punishing mindless running into the paint.
I think even more important than blocks are a variety of possibilities for contested dunk attempts to branch into layup/contact dunk animations, as well as charging animations if the defender is already set.

It might be pointless to talk about these improvements for an arcade series like 2k, but the influence of defenders altering shots in the paint gets underrated. Watching real games you'll notice that a lot of quick PGs like Collison or Barea can pretty much blow past any defender at any given time. Getting into the paint is not a problem for many NBA-guards.
But often you'll see them enter the paint, dribbling between defenders without even trying to shoot since they recognize the amount of help defense around them. This happens frequently on baseline drives where the lack of any good look forces the ball handler to exit the paint on the opposite side.

And this kind of defensive presence has not enough meaning in 2k13. It's not about highlight blocks, but the ability to counter offensive moves before you need to attempt a risky monster block.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

Honestly guys this is the year to bring up things we hate in the game. We probably won't see a better collision on this gen.

But 2k14 is very likely to come out on a next gen console in December/January.

[sirjam]

Re: Why would you think blocking a dunk is realistic

so on further testing, the only way you can get even close to 2k11 blocking. Is to play on pro, which as we know is way to easy.