MyTeam Mobile Discussion

[SmartForce]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

Engaging in a dialog is good. I'm sorry, but I will not respond to an open letter that even from the title alone represents a place where you want to bash Cat Daddy. If you want to have a polite conversation that is fine, but I will not engage when it starts with how we are just liars and cheats. Anything after that doesn't deserve a response.

I'm sorry you found the title objectionable and so much so that you felt there was no common ground after reading it.

It is true that you said we should expect to be able to achieve the card following our RttC deck tier. At Leg+, the Legendary card is trivial to beat on +5/+7. The jump from there to the Ewing card required losing your way to the card.

That was the crux of the problem, really. Your statement was, at the least, misleading. Because of your statement, I purchased a 165 hot streak bundle, anticipating that I would have to drop to +2 against Ewing. Instead, I couldn't win any +2 matches, and thus those 1200 credits were a complete waste, and I was left with the option to either just let the credits be wasted or follow a bad spend with more bad spend to lose my way to the card.

If you like, I can copy out the two constructive suggestions I had, or simply PM them to you. I think they are constructive (I was very careful when I wrote them because I wanted them to be actually considered), and I think they deserve consideration.

[Illmatic1909]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

First off, as expressed by some Beta AH users, not all of them have access to the Daily VC Bonus because they don't own the console game. Season Credits has no such restriction. Truly a free player has access to Credits now.


Secondly, ask yourself who has the Credits in your scenario. If we lower the tax more Credits simply go to the users that don't need them as much. They are selling free cards already and making Credits. Seasons provide free Credits to those that need them and hopefully expands the base of players shopping in the AH. Now I grant that Seasons may not be winnable by that type of player, and is something we need to address in the future. But in a roundabout way, those tanking in Seasons ae actually allowing poorer free players access to those Credits.

Beyond theory, there is the data, which of course I can see and you can't. Since the AH went live and the Season rewards were changed we did dramatically increase the number of players with Credits and those that we're spending them on the AH. So the actual numbers are showing a healthy economy. Could it be improved? Sure, the biggest problem is simply one of supply, because we give away so many free cards there is still too much supply. Something to be solved another day still.

All good stuff...thanks for the response and being so forthright. I'm not saying I agree with everything here, but I understand your reasoning. Again, thank you.

[drdotwho]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

Hi NWGameDad. Just wonder what is the value/point of the Ladder Rewards (after the UR Jordan)? I'm in the game for months and I'm still +15K games away from getting my first Legendary Jordan, let alone the Star ones... In another thread members here also find the ladder rewards no longer motivating/attractive to them to pursue cards that are useful to their tier (specifically, Legendary and Star tiers (and sub-tiers)).

[lewisb01]

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I like the update! everyone gets a star past first round. 1st place could be better but I'm fine with it. everyone needs to understand if 3 cards are given out for 1st place. the AH would be flooded with 10 pages of the same cards on every team thus making sales non existent. and everyone will hit the end game in a matter of days. giving free cards in new mode RTTC then RC what else is there to complain lol. people sometimes want too much for free. keep up the good work NWgamedad! I'm always a happy customer over here lol

Syd you were able to take full advantage of that 3 star card system and I can't even imagine how many seasons you won that way. Which is great!


I choose not to pay a lot this year and by the time I got to Star rewards seasons it was changed in the middle of my season. So you can understand how some of us would still like to see those old rewards still.

[romar182]

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I compare a good amount of players on this forum to the 1%ers in the real world. I, along with many people here, are fortunate to have good decks and progressed quickly due to luck, packs, or winning seasons. We were also spoiled by the generous rewards in the past. Change is a hard thing to deal with but if those changes help prolong the game and help the other 99% have a better experience, then I am fine with that. Can't get hung up on how good things used to be because if what GD said is true, then for the majority of players, those good times are now. If I don't like something and only want it changed because it's better for me, then that's being selfish. If it actually helps the majority, then I can live with that.

[Gundamduo]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

Anyone wanna take guesses on Playoff cards? Some teams will be tough to just pick 2, like ATL and SAS.

Atlanta - Teague + Milsapp
Cleveland - LeBron + Kyrie
Chicago - Butler + Noah
Toronto - Lowry + DeRozan
Washington - Wall + Beal
Milwaukee - MCW + Giannis
Brooklyn - Williams + Lopez
Boston - Thomas + Sullinger

Golden State - Curry + Klay
Houston - Harden + Howard
Memphis - Randolph + Conley
Portland - Lillard + Aldridge
Clippers - Paul + Griffin
Spurs - Leonard + Duncan
Dallas - Nowitzki + Ellis
OKC - Westbrook + Westbrook (but seriously probably Ibaka)

Obviously the bottom seeds in both conferences are hotly contested right now, so things can change.

They all seem pretty spot on except Memphis, Gasol over Randolph for sure

[VizzyXV]

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I will say that will not happen. The days of multiple cards for Season rewards are over. In the context of the AH where you can Pro your cards so much easier, we simply cannot give out super generous rewards like that any more. If we did it becomes a race to the end for everyone that lasts days. You can bypass too much of the progression just too easily.

I appreciate all the other answers to questions asked
But I wouldn't just say bypassing too much progression too easily, you'd still need to actually win the season, which is no easy feat

Also with playoff tier season you're saying the reward for winning that would be the same as winning a star season, just with some extra credits sprinkled on top? There's a reason i see people, including myself tanking, they don't care about the credits and they get their reward quicker

What would stop someone in playoff tier from thinking they don't need the extra credits so why not just water down their lineup with commons and beat up on the legit star players in a star season

[Dextro]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

First of all, communication between you and us is always good. But actually I do see bad days coming.
It is just my personal opinion on it and I do accept that not everybody has the same on it.

But my feeling is, that all your changes pointing to generating more money. And that is something I personally don't like. If it is too obvious, and for me it is.

Additional all those changes killed the fun for me. I know there is a bigger picture of it, but still I think you didn't found the happy medium for all of us.
Season rewards are still a big issue, and in my opinion you need to rethink them. Especially from the QF on.


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[eVizions]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

While I appreciate Danan coming on, engaging with us, and even giving us some explanations as to why they do (or don't do) certain things, I'm kind of baffled at the head-in-the-sand mentality.

Season rewards are fine and won't be changing? Please, try playing a few seasons in Star season and see if any human player actually goes past the QF. In my experience, they don't. Nobody cares about the credits and it's destroyed seasons. I don't think I've heard a single person who likes the new format or what it's done to the game.

AH is fine? Please take a look at all of the trade and buyback posts on here. Clearly, the user base disagrees. If this is a healthy AH, I'd hate to see what you consider an unhealthy one. I sold a Star Pro today (one of only a handful of Star Pros that actually sell) for 15k. My cut? 10k credits, which means that literally $40 worth of credits were taken out of the transaction. I'm supposed to be okay with that as a consumer?

The claims of "it would be a race to MVP decks" doesn't work, either. Other games that don't have game limits thrive with 5% or 10% tax and open economies. In fact, this is the only virtual economy that I've ever run into that was this restrictive.

Again, I appreciate you coming here on a free night. I also have kids and taking time for work after work isn't easy and definitely not required. I also appreciate the transparency, wherever possible. But I don't think you're truly listening to your customer base with some of your answers. I'm not suggesting that you "listen" to us and do exactly what we tell you. Never a good business model. I'm asking you to "hear" what we're telling you and adjust accordingly. On paper, AH may seem healthy, but it isn't. Season rewards may seem fine, but they're not. People are frustrated. People have quit. People (mainly me) have gone from pay-to-play to free(ish)-to-play. Don't ruin a perfectly good game that has the potential to be great.

[ok3k3]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

sooooo close to Star++ 😩

[NWGameDad]

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I'm sorry you found the title objectionable and so much so that you felt there was no common ground after reading it.

It is true that you said we should expect to be able to achieve the card following our RttC deck tier. At Leg+, the Legendary card is trivial to beat on +5/+7. The jump from there to the Ewing card required losing your way to the card.

That was the crux of the problem, really. Your statement was, at the least, misleading. Because of your statement, I purchased a 165 hot streak bundle, anticipating that I would have to drop to +2 against Ewing. Instead, I couldn't win any +2 matches, and thus those 1200 credits were a complete waste, and I was left with the option to either just let the credits be wasted or follow a bad spend with more bad spend to lose my way to the card.

If you like, I can copy out the two constructive suggestions I had, or simply PM them to you. I think they are constructive (I was very careful when I wrote them because I wanted them to be actually considered), and I think they deserve consideration.

Go back and read my post. I said if you were in the ++ tier of your ranking then you would likely get the card above your tier. There is a huge difference between being in the first step of a tier and the ++ category. The event is balanced such that ++ should be able to get the card above.

Now I say should because there are many ways to get a deck to a certain level. Some stack only a few high tier cards to reach a certain tier. In RttC if you do that then you will probably have a harder time winning. It takes a balanced deck typically to win (the current 2v2 bug will be fixed so don't rely on that strat in the future). Also, there are factors to take into account like trying to get the Star card for free will require some good time management of your Game Nights. The deeper you go the more you will need which means you need more Game Nights. Screw that up early and you will need to purchase some the deeper you go.

[nzjase]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

Thanks for the response NWGame, it was a good read and made a lot of sense. That is the kind of feedback I am hoping we get more of from B-rad.

The two glaring things I think are still outstanding are:

1. Auction house minimums / tax

These are too high and it means to move cards in any reasonable volume or without multiple repostings we need to do organised buybacks (evidenced by the numerous Auction house threads on this forum). That is not the sign of a healthy auction house.

I saw someone post saying you said some cards just don't sell, the above is the reason why. It isn't a true market. Surely you don't intend for someone to pull World B Free then just "train him away" but that is what the statement "some cards just don't sell" implies.

2. Seasons

They are just not fun any more. I am not necessarily talking about the nerf of the rewards but this is what is making them no fun.

Quick disclaimer - I am in Leg season but about to go star my next season so I have no vested interest in my below proposal.

I think the OLD structure should be reintroduced for all tiers below the top tier.

That is you win you get a card from the next tier and one from your current, come second you get two from your current tier. I thought this structure was well thought out and really gave you a chance to progress through the levels by doing a bit of grinding and playing seasons. Albeit slowly... rewards only every 5 odd days. But after a month you could have moved a tier or two depending on your grinding.

For the top tier (currently star but soon to be play-off) it is probably about right except it should be double cards for winning or a significant chunk of credits. 1k to a person winning seasons is nothing and not worth boosting for our fighting out the play-offs for.

[SmartForce]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

With someone like Smartmove (sp?), I would love it if he continued to play and, yes, pay. However, reading his comments it is clear he has his mind set and there is nothing I can say that will ever change his mind, so ya, I say cut my losses and leave him for a lost cause. You can beat your head on a wall, or have the wall fall on you so many times before you get the hint. I don't want to waste my time there, life is too short. It is like trying to have a political argument with someone, you will not change that person's mind.

Wow, really? You never actually engaged with me, except to say that me calling you deceptive poisoned the well.

It is objectively true that you said we should be able to get the card above our RttC deck tier. I bought the largest hot streak bundle only to find out that the only way it was possible to win Ewing was to lose 203 times. That's 50 and 3/4 hours of free game nights.

I get why you would shy away from me calling it deceptive, but I'm not sure how you would characterize it? It's not exactly untrue, but it leaves out the very important bit about how a Leg RttC deck wasn't going to be able to even win a +2 against the first Star card, and that was critical information that impacted purchase decisions.

The constructive suggestions I have don't seem very demanding or impossible to meet me on to me. I'll repeat them here:

1.) In the future, when describing something, please be open and honest. If you had said something like "In general, players should be able to achieve a card one level higher than their RttC deck rating, although they may have to do it one point at a time by losing, depending on where their deck falls in that tier.", then there would have been no reason for me to ever feel deceived or tricked. I would not have purchased the 1,200 credit hot streak pack without first testing to see if it made a loss equal 2 points.

2.) While having hot streaks expire after the RC even made sense when there was only one event that used hot streaks, it makes less sense in the current environment where we have two events that use them. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason to have them expire, other than the potential fringe cases where someone has a few left over after RttC or RC, and you make a slight bit more money out of them disappearing. It seems like it would be a very strong and well received goodwill gesture to the community to change it so that hot streaks do not expire. I cannot imagine this could cost you any tangible amount of money, and in fact I suspect it would result in an uptick of hot streak packs being purchased, as people would be willing to buy them late in events when they can't use them all up, but would then be able to use them on the next event.

So ... I don't think I've been overly critical of you. I certainly wouldn't place me and you on opposite ends of an argument framed as a political "we'll never find common ground" debate. I don't think my suggestions are over the top or asking you to sabotage your business. I'm just asking you to err on the side of being transparent with us, and I'm asking you to re-consider the hot streak expiration now that there are two events using them. I think my argument that you would see a net uptick in sales of hot streak packs makes a lot of sense too.

Please do realize that while I am critical when I feel there is reason to be, I also give credit where credit is due, and I have already supported you considerably well financially. I am not the irrational bad guy the above quote makes it seem like you think I am.

[NWGameDad]

Re: MyTeam Mobile Discussion

Hi NWGameDad. Just wonder what is the value/point of the Ladder Rewards (after the UR Jordan)? I'm in the game for months and I'm still +15K games away from getting my first Legendary Jordan, let alone the Star ones... In another thread members here also find the ladder rewards no longer motivating/attractive to them to pursue cards that are useful to their tier (specifically, Legendary and Star tiers (and sub-tiers)).

There is still some value in the bigger modes, Season and RttC. But you're right the balance is off. Unfortunately, it is not something that cave easily solved. We fixed what we could when we lowered the upper rewarss, but it was too late to change the lower ones. Sadly, they are what they are. We capped out the rewards at 100k for a reason. We may have some MJ opportunities in the future that are off th ladder.

[Tank4ever]

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Anyone wanna take guesses on Playoff cards? Some teams will be tough to just pick 2, like ATL and SAS.

Atlanta - Teague + Milsapp
Cleveland - LeBron + Kyrie
Chicago - Butler + Noah
Toronto - Lowry + DeRozan
Washington - Wall + Beal
Milwaukee - MCW + Giannis
Brooklyn - Williams + Lopez
Boston - Thomas + Sullinger

Golden State - Curry + Klay
Houston - Harden + Howard
Memphis - Randolph + Conley
Portland - Lillard + Aldridge
Clippers - Paul + Griffin
Spurs - Leonard + Duncan
Dallas - Nowitzki + Ellis
OKC - Westbrook + Westbrook (but seriously probably Ibaka)

Obviously the bottom seeds in both conferences are hotly contested right now, so things can change.

LOL Westbrook v1 & v2?

Also pushing my Heat out the playoffs already?