Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

[Kashanova]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

what teammates ever "ripped him"? he hasnt proven anything yes, but he has yet to get play a game for the lakers and do what he can with his second chance. ill be the first to admit the guy doesnt belong in the league if he puts up the same numbers from last season.

ummm MJ was his teammate and he ripped him hard

[ex carrabba fan]

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ummm MJ was his teammate and he ripped him hard

he was 18. his first year in the league. yes everybody knows MJ ripped him. oh my god.

[Programmed2Kill]

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The fact that Kwame has a negative reputation is the only major difference I see between the 2. I guess playing with MJ for a couple of years and not living up to MJ's expecations coming straight out of HS did nothing to hurt his reputation when all eyes were on DC right?

Kwame hasn't lived up to his potential. I'm not denying that. But neither has Stromile Swift. He was the OVERALL #2 PICK. He's supposed to be more than just a role player. He's been in the league longer than Brown and he even has a year of college under his belt, yet Brown is the bust while Swift still has potential.

Sometimes, players no matter where they are picked are not going to be stars. So if they become good role players, that is acceptable. Swift is a very good role player. Kwame Brown doesn't want to be a role player, yet he had plenty of chances to prove to be more than a bench player and he has not passed the test.

As for his rep, he brought it on himself. Read up on it.

[Kashanova]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

he was 18. his first year in the league. yes everybody knows MJ ripped him. oh my god.

they played together for two years more then enough time to produce and don't say he wasn't giving the oppurnity

[gin]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

Sometimes, players so matter where they are picked are not going to be stars. So if they become good role players, that is acceptable. Swift is a very good role player. Kwame Brown doesn't want to be a role player, yet he had plenty of chances to prove to be more than a bench player and he has not passed the test.

As for his rep, he brought it on himself. Read up on it.

Yeah, he's got a bad rep, but hopefully the change will do him good and he gets motivated to play well, which I pray he will.

[Programmed2Kill]

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Yeah, he's got a bad rep, but hopefully the change will do him good and he gets motivated to play well, which I pray he will.

And that's fine. But just know why Brown is portrayed the way he is for a reason. That's all....

[Kashanova]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

Originally Posted by gin
The fact that Kwame has a negative reputation is the only major difference I see between the 2. I guess playing with MJ for a couple of years and not living up to MJ's expecations coming straight out of HS did nothing to hurt his reputation when all eyes were on DC right?

Kwame hasn't lived up to his potential. I'm not denying that. But neither has Stromile Swift. He was the OVERALL #2 PICK. He's supposed to be more than just a role player. He's been in the league longer than Brown and he even has a year of college under his belt, yet Brown is the bust while Swift still has potential.

the 2000 draft was weak, the 2001 draft was way stronger so thats why you would have to consider him a bust so far

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

One possible reason for the differences in opinions between the two changes is that Swift justs looks and sounds like more of a helpful player. He has an "In your face" kind of game and shows lots of emotion. That helps a team more than it sounds. Kwame on the other hand, supposedly lacks that emotion.

But anyways, it was a good point to bring up. I really never noticed how similar the production was between the two.

[Tha_Kid]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

I'll explain it for you.....

Stromile Swift actually contributed positively to his team. Kwame Brown didn't. This is once again another case where stats don't mean everything. Of course, because of your love for a certain #8 and his team, you question why people hate on Kwame. There are reasons.

Swift, while not a world beater, was a major role player for his team. He took pride in the role he filled.

Kwame Brown, on the other hand, complained and fought with coaches and teammates his whole time in Washington. He did indeed QUIT on his team by skipping practice, a team meeting AND A GAME because he wasn't getting his way. The team had to lie just to cover up for him. And since he wants to be a star so much, he sure didn't make too much of a splash while he had his chances.

So whom would you want...Swift, a very good role player that cane give you some points and rebounds and is a feared shotblocker that still has potential...or Kwame Brown, an underachiveing problem child that is turning out to be the next Tim Thomas: a tremendous physical talent with no heart?

...smh......I swear.... Kwame was suspended for skipping the practice and shootaround. He was suspended for Game 3, then met with EJ/EG and they told him he was suspended indefinitely...

You look at last season. IF Kwame is such trash, why is it that a year ago today the plan was to focus the offense around him? The only reason that didnt happen was because he got injured. By the time he came back, EJ's role for him changed drastically, from top option to role playing big man. THATS why he can complain about no touches..


Kashanova... ... your posts couldnt be more wrong... you said when he got the ball he didnt do anything with it... I posted this in another thread...

in 03-04' 5 guys took more shots than him and all but one shot sub 40% (the one shot exactly 40%)

Player FGM FGA FG%
G. Arenas 6.5 16.6 .392
L. Hughes 6.6 16.5 .397
J. Stackhouse 4.9 12.3 .399
J. Hayes 4.0 9.9 .400
J. Dixon 3.5 9.0 .388
K. Brown 3.9 8.0 .489

I would say it couldn't have hurt for him to get more shots, but some disagree. Its not like he was *** everygame he didnt get touches. When he had 21/6 vs NYK followed by 30/19 against sacremento and then 27/11 he got 13, 16, and 14 shots respectively. The next game he 6 points on 3/8 shooting... Look at the game logs for 03-04 from January on, when he got attempts he produced. Thats my argument.

Then you say his teammates ripped on him!?!?

While Kwame hasn’t spoken publicly about what happened during the playoffs, his teammate, Etan Thomas wanted to set some things straight.

“I'm so tired of hearing people who don't know what they are talking about say that he quit or that he is this terrible,” said Etan. “People have to realize that Kwame didn’t quit; he was suspended. I'm not saying that he chose the best method of handling his frustrations by not coming to practice or the next shootaround, but he didn't quit. He just wanted to play and got frustrated and didn't handle it well.”

But didn’t he cuss out Eddie Jordan when they got together to discuss the situation?

“Naw that isn’t true,” said Thomas. "They had a meeting and they told him that he was going to be suspended for the rest of the season, but that was decided before the meeting. That’s what I mean though; people are throwing all of this dirt on Kwame and most of the time they don't even know what they are talking about.”

Even if the Wizards decide they want him back, does Kwame want to return or has he resigned himself to moving on with a different team?

“He wants to shut up all of the critics, get the fans on his side, he just wants to play,” said Thomas. “Kwame is just getting himself ready so that he is prepared to work with whatever cards he's dealt. He knows that it’s out of his hands now. He is going to work hard regardless.”

And his teammates want him back? They don’t feel betrayed?

“A lot could be different next year with him healthy and now with Larry gone, we need him,” Thomas said. “You have to realize he was playing hurt for most of the year, and that if he's healthy, he is exactly what we need as the third scorer with Larry gone. And an inside scorer at that. I don't think we can afford not to re-sign him.”

But the team had their best season in years with barely a contribution from him. What makes Etan so certain he’s finally going to live up to his potential?

“I know what he can do and I don't want to see him go someplace else and blow up like Rasheed, Ben Wallace, or Rip did when he can do that right here,” said Thomas. “If he comes back next year and has the type of season that he is capable of, believe me, all will be forgiven.”

Gil and Antawn, the team’s remaining leaders, have also expressed support for Kwame.

owned...

[Tha_Kid]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

As far as the topic goes, there isnt much of a difference save that Swift is more explosive while Kwame contrary to what people would tell you is the better basketball player. However, the best point (second to my first post) in this thread was that Kwame was acquired in a trade whereas Swifted was signed. The Rockets don't lose anything of exact value while the lakers lose production from the wing and their last real pg, leaving the onus on Kwame to prove he was worth it.

Jordan may have regretted picking him but with a couple years of college ball he knows Kwame wouldve been the truth by now. While none of us know what MJ told Phil when asked about Kwame, one could assume Jordan didnt regard Kwame as the pile of **** the media would have you believe.

I love David Aldridge because he was one of the only DC writers that gave a damn about the wizards, but he doesnt even operate out of DC. Guys like Kornheiser & Wilbon have never given a sh*t about the wizards/bullets and suddenly this year he feels that he knows enough to rip kwame on the front of the sports? GTFOH...

Kwame's teammates have been quoted saying that he works hard. As far as grasping the offense, considering that last year was the first EJ put in his actual offense and Kwame was injured for the training camp/preseason during which it was taught and wasnt healthy till february its not the travesty some of you make it out to be. Never mind that the team as a whole ditched his offense in January when Hughes went down...

[Programmed2Kill]

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...smh......I swear.... Kwame was suspended for skipping the practice and shootaround. He was suspended for Game 3, then met with EJ/EG and they told him he was suspended indefinitely...

Either way, it was due to Brown f**kin' up. What's the issue?

You look at last season. IF Kwame is such trash, why is it that a year ago today the plan was to focus the offense around him? The only reason that didnt happen was because he got injured. By the time he came back, EJ's role for him changed drastically, from top option to role playing big man. THATS why he can complain about no touches..

First off, Kwame Brown supposedly being top option is comedy to me

And if he is so damn good, why didn't he take over as one of the top options and start? You can't bring that weak excuse of Eddie Jordan changed his role. Sam Dalembert went into Jim O'Brien's doghouse...yet he played and made a difference so much, that O'Brien HAD to start Dalembert.

Brown shouldn't complain because he didn't play well enough to EARN touches.

Looking at the other thread you went on about Brown, we all know Kwame can do no wrong...so I don't even know why I bother.

It's like Carmelo all over again.

[Tha_Kid]

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Quotes, I can post pure quotes to backup everything (if you want to pay for the archives) I just posted. You said he quit, in fact, you capitalized it, while his own TEAMMATE said the opposite, thats my point. Its not that big IMO, but when someone puts emphasis on something it makes it big...

And if he is so damn good, why didn't he take over as one of the top options and start? You can't bring that weak excuse of Eddie Jordan changed his role.

Because he was injured, and I didnt say he was so damn good, I said the plan was to focus around him. You mustve forgot the Wizards only won 25 games season before last. Dalembert not playing was much in the same vein, only Dalembert wasn't injured on/off for half the season. Kwame wasnt steadily on the roster til february and hadnt gotten into the flow of things until the weeks leading up to the playoffs...

That carmelo thing is just a cop-out because you dont have an argument. This is a topic that you are overmatched in because I know and have read everything regarding the topic whereas you are going off of what has trickled into the national media...

[keRplunK]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

Kwame had alot of hype and expectations built up around him.

He has came off as very immature and obviously is a "me first" sort of player.

Actual playing wise, if Kwame shut his mouth and went to work he'd be atleast as good as Swift.

But yes, the difference between the two players isn't much at all, other than Kwame was more hyped up and has attitude problems.

[Programmed2Kill]

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Quotes, I can post pure quotes to backup everything (if you want to pay for the archives) I just posted. You said he quit, in fact, you capitalized it, while his own TEAMMATE said the opposite, thats my point. Its not that big IMO, but when someone puts emphasis on something it makes it big...

So you don't call him missing practice and shootaround quiting? And had a lousy excuse on top of it...so much that the team had to lie about the whole thing.

He QUIT.

Because he was injured, and I didnt say he was so damn good, I said the plan was to focus around him. You mustve forgot the Wizards only won 25 games season before last. Dalembert not playing was much in the same vein, only Dalembert wasn't injured on/off for half the season. Kwame wasnt steadily on the roster til february and hadnt gotten into the flow of things until the weeks leading up to the playoffs...

So what if he was injured. If he is as good as you said, he should've come right in and contributed more. He so athletic and can blow past all these centers and back down most power forwards, remember? I would think he would come right in and be a top option doing all of that.

That carmelo thing is just a cop-out because you dont have an argument. This is a topic that you are overmatched in because I know and have read everything regarding the topic whereas you are going off of what has trickled into the national media...

The Carmelo thing is not a cop out because I have no argument. My argument was made and can't be proven against IMO, because Brown hasn't proven worth a damn yet and is a problem child on top of it. The Carmelo thing is all about how you make these players you like so much to be all this and that and can do no wrong. First, it was 'Melo and now, it's Kwame.

I read Washington's newspapers. I know the deal. Kwame isn't enough of a player to be talked about nationally

[Tha_Kid]

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Enlighten me, what IS your point?

So you don't call him missing practice and shootaround quiting? And had a lousy excuse on top of it...so much that the team had to lie about the whole thing.

He QUIT.

The team didnt have to lie about anything, that was their decision. They couldve suspended him on the game day, instead when he called they told him not to come to the arena until the next morning when they could meet. EJ compounded the situation (and created the whole misconception of Kwame skipping the actual game) by saying that he missed the game because he was still sick rather than telling the truth. Granted you dont want the press to know he's suspended before he does, but I dont see how you can say he forced to team to lie.

Its not what I call quitting, like I said, if his own TEAMMATE doesnt call it quitting that should be enough for you. If its not, tough...

So what if he was injured. If he is as good as you said, he should've come right in and contributed more. He so athletic and can blow past all these centers and back down most power forwards, remember? I would think he would come right in and be a top option doing all of that.

The Carmelo thing is not a cop out because I have no argument. My argument was made and can't be proven against IMO, because Brown hasn't proven worth a damn yet and is a problem child on top of it. The Carmelo thing is all about how you make these players you like so much to be all this and that and can do no wrong. First, it was 'Melo and now, it's Kwame.

I havent made anybody out to be more than they are, you are taking what Ive posted and acting like I was ranting and raving. I never said Kwame did nothing wrong, but of course whenever i disagree with you im automatically a stan, right? All Ive done in two threads is re-iterate things that other people have already said. I didnt watch kwame and decide "oh, he can blow past C's and overpower 4's" thats the scouting report on him, athletically speaking. Maybe my words "jump" at you when you're reading them but I havent blown up anything. Please, enlighten me, go back and quote exactly where and what Ive heavily exaggerated. Im sure you'll find nothing.

Never mind that I never said top option, that was you. Once again I said focus around him, that means him touching the ball consistently. If you knew the wizards as much as you claim you would know that Kwame was the most unselfish player on the team and a good passer.