Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

[HardwoodHeisman]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

If Kwame Brown became Horace Grant, Jackson, Kobe and Me would be extremely happy. People act as if Butler and Atkins were both stars on the team. I loved Butler and Atkins but they werent a great fit for the triangle or Jackson's lakers.

NOBODY IS EXPECTING HIM TO BE A STAR! Nobody on the Lakers or in LA expects him to play like the number 1 player in the draft. You know why? Because the Lakers didnt draft him. We gave up two decent players for a player who could be a bust, a star or a decent role player. The LA media and fans all know (or should know) that he is at best the third best player in the team. So the pressure will be less then it was in LA.

Like I said....I'm not sure he can do the things Horace Grant did for Chicago. And the #1 pick thing will still come up regardless if he isn't getting the job done. It won't be about LA because we know they didn't pick him but just the fact that the guy was the #1 pick.

Right now I'm playing the villian role because I want to believe all of these things about Kwame and what he's going to do for us is true. I'm not saying he won't do these things....I'm just not as sure about it as others seem to be.

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Right now I'm playing the villian role because I want to believe all of these things about Kwame and what he's going to do for us is true. I'm not saying he won't do these things....I'm just not as sure about it as others seem to be.

As a Lakers fan, I'm optimistic that he will become a good player. Actually, hopeful is a better word. I won't be surprised if he doesn't blossom though. But, he's a Laker now and he has my support.

As far as the FA class next year, I'm not sure. I know that alot of teams are looking ahead to the 2007 FA class. I'm thinking next years FA crop isn't as good as this years and pales in comparison to 2007. Butler probably will be highly sought after.

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How was Chucky not a great fit for the triangle? Please explain...

Chucky is a spot up shooter. You mean to tell me Phil loved one dimensional Kareem Rush , but not chucky, and the host of other spot up shooters he had on his teams?

Then this thing with Kobe and Chucky being best pals.... give me a break man, that is not common knowledge and for the most part Lakers fans can't even stand Chucky.

What happened was the day after the GM comments, then the lakers made chucky say the media twisted his words, although they got direct quotes from him.

This is all laughable.

Kwame Brown didnt get destroyed by MJ, Kwame wasnt ready to be among men. There are enough people to see that this guy just mentally didnt have it. Sulking in practice because you get bumped has nothing to do with MJ, 2 years later and still crying is not MJ's fault, and as long as people and kwame continue to make excuses that its always someone else's fault, he'll always be considered a bust.

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How was Chucky not a great fit for the triangle? Please explain...

Chucky is a spot up shooter. You mean to tell me Phil loved one dimensional Kareem Rush , but not chucky, and the host of other spot up shooters he had on his teams?

Then this thing with Kobe and Chucky being best pals.... give me a break man, that is not common knowledge and for the most part Lakers fans can't even stand Chucky.

What happened was the day after the GM comments, then the lakers made chucky say the media twisted his words, although they got direct quotes from him.

This is all laughable.

Kwame Brown didnt get destroyed by MJ, Kwame wasnt ready to be among men. There are enough people to see that this guy just mentally didnt have it. Sulking in practice because you get bumped has nothing to do with MJ, 2 years later and still crying is not MJ's fault, and as long as people and kwame continue to make excuses that its always someone else's fault, he'll always be considered a bust.

Chucky's not a great fit for Phil Jackson because he didn't play defense. That's the reason he got traded, it had nothing to do with him and Kobe not getting along. That is laughable. If that's the case, why did they also trade Butler when Kobe and Butler are very close? You're response will probably be, "It's a business". That's true, it is business, as was trading Chucky.


Kwame Brown is 23, I'm not ready to write his career off as him being a bust just yet. He's been given a second chance. Let's see what he can do with it.

[aholbert32]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

How was Chucky not a great fit for the triangle? Please explain...

Chucky is a spot up shooter. You mean to tell me Phil loved one dimensional Kareem Rush , but not chucky, and the host of other spot up shooters he had on his teams?

Then this thing with Kobe and Chucky being best pals.... give me a break man, that is not common knowledge and for the most part Lakers fans can't even stand Chucky.

What happened was the day after the GM comments, then the lakers made chucky say the media twisted his words, although they got direct quotes from him.

This is all laughable.

Kwame Brown didnt get destroyed by MJ, Kwame wasnt ready to be among men. There are enough people to see that this guy just mentally didnt have it. Sulking in practice because you get bumped has nothing to do with MJ, 2 years later and still crying is not MJ's fault, and as long as people and kwame continue to make excuses that its always someone else's fault, he'll always be considered a bust.

Here is the difference: Chucky is a "streaky" spot up shooter who was a turnover machine and didnt play a lick of defense. Kareem Rush was a spot up shooter with decent defensive skills.

Chucky is not John Paxson or BJ Armstrong or Steve Kerr. They were all consistent shooters and Chucky isnt.

[Kashanova]

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shooting 38% from three point land in consistent?? wow. Atkins a Turn over machine?!?!? He avg less then 2 last year if he's a turn over freak I don't even wanna imagine what kobe is

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Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

Chucky's not a great fit for Phil Jackson because he didn't play defense. That's the reason he got traded, it had nothing to do with him and Kobe not getting along. That is laughable. If that's the case, why did they also trade Butler when Kobe and Butler are very close? You're response will probably be, "It's a business". That's true, it is business, as was trading Chucky.


Kwame Brown is 23, I'm not ready to write his career off as him being a bust just yet. He's been given a second chance. Let's see what he can do with it.

Chucky is a shooter. I'd love to see the Lakers try to run the triangle with no shooters. It would be a disappointing scenario. I didnt say anything about Chucky being traded for not getting along with Kobe... you should read people's post correctly.

But HOWEVA... You knew he was gone the moment he made the GM comments in public didnt you? Dont lie...

Caron was traded becasue one he was one of their only realisitic tradeable assets, and next year he's a RFA and Mitch doesnt want to pay him, because he has some puzzling dream about capspace in 07, and now you know why you dont have Daniels, and almost didnt get Kwame.

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Here is the difference: Chucky is a "streaky" spot up shooter who was a turnover machine and didnt play a lick of defense. Kareem Rush was a spot up shooter with decent defensive skills.

Chucky is not John Paxson or BJ Armstrong or Steve Kerr. They were all consistent shooters and Chucky isnt.

Tell me, who hit more big shots for LA than Chucky? Im not calling Chucky BJ or Pax... but I remember Fisher getting Mike Bibby and Troy Hudson big contracts, and I dont recall Rush stopping anybody ever, let alone creating his own shot.

[BigTigLSU]

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That 38% came from mights of being real hot vs nights of being ice cold. I wouldn't look to Atkins for a big 3 in any situation because he is streaky if he is on he is cool but to get his stroke you'd have to start him. Phil doesn't want another Fisher situation were you are stuck starting a guy whose Defense is suspect just so he can be ready when you eventually ask him to score thats why the first chance they got they got Payton thinking he could play the Ron Harper role.

[aholbert32]

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shooting 38% from three point land in consistent?? wow. Atkins a Turn over machine?!?!? He avg less then 2 last year if he's a turn over freak I don't even wanna imagine what kobe is

Watch the games, stat boy. I watched probably 60+ laker games last year and was constantly frustrated with his turnovers. Someone who handles the ball as little as he did shouldnt turn the ball over as much as he did. If he handled the ball as much as Kobe or Odom and has those turnover numbers I' wouldnt be complaining.

I shouldnt have even responded to you though. you are the same guy who made the senseless argument that the Brown trade was bad because Atkins and Butler average more then Brown

[Kashanova]

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That 38% came from mights of being real hot vs nights of being ice cold. I wouldn't look to Atkins for a big 3 in any situation because he is streaky if he is on he is cool but to get his stroke you'd have to start him. Phil doesn't want another Fisher situation were you are stuck starting a guy whose Defense is suspect just so he can be ready when you eventually ask him to score thats why the first chance they got they got Payton thinking he could play the Ron Harper role.

he played all 82 games. so if there where more ice then hott days it would show

[HardwoodHeisman]

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I shouldnt have even responded to you though. you are the same guy who made the senseless argument that the Brown trade was bad because Atkins and Butler average more then Brown

LMFAO.....OWNED!

And I notice we're jumping to conclusions again. The same thing the bitter Laker fans were doing when they thought SVG was on his way out and Shaq had anything to do with it. Where is the actual proof that Chucky was gone after those comments? Link? Video? Tape?

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Im no fan of Cuhcky for the record, but to make up lies about him and Kobe being friends and it being known by the masses is a joke.

[aholbert32]

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Tell me, who hit more big shots for LA than Chucky? Im not calling Chucky BJ or Pax... but I remember Fisher getting Mike Bibby and Troy Hudson big contracts, and I dont recall Rush stopping anybody ever, let alone creating his own shot.

I also dont remember Rush getting lit up by anybody either. Thats why I said he was a decent defender. Not good but decent.

[HardwoodHeisman]

Re: Difference between Kwame Brown and Stromile Swift??

Im no fan of Cuhcky for the record, but to make up lies about him and Kobe being friends and it being known by the masses is a joke.

Not as much of a joke as people acting as if the reason he is gone is because of those comments.