CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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A guy from SI was just on NBA TV and brought up the point that while missing games in the NFL will hurt the owners, missing games in the NBA may actually help the owners because as is, they're losing money each game (or 22 out of the 30 teams are I guess). He went on to say that because of this, we may find out that the NBA owners are much more interested in having a lock out than the NFL owners are because having a lockout won't make them lose money.

[ehh]

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NBA drops insistence on non-guaranteed contracts.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/06/17/nba.contract.stance.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a8&eref=sihp

NBA owners relaxed their insistence on non-guaranteed contracts in a new collective bargaining agreement Friday, but players cautioned that isn't enough because the league is still seeking a hard salary cap.

I'm surprised by this, I thought it was one of the areas that the league wouldn't budge on.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'm surprised by this, I thought it was one of the areas that the league wouldn't budge on.

Yeah the guy from SI said the NBA basically was willing to give in on this as long as the players are willing to give in on one of their demands too.

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NBA owners must want something big in return lol

[TheMatrix31]

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Non-guaranteed contracts should be a staple.

Make the players work for their contracts every year.

[Dice]

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NBA owners must want something big in return lol

Yes, they want that hard cap in place.

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Union wont take non guaranteed contracts Matrix.... we all know that

Its def. an ugly situation

[Weeks]

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A guy from SI was just on NBA TV and brought up the point that while missing games in the NFL will hurt the owners, missing games in the NBA may actually help the owners because as is, they're losing money each game (or 22 out of the 30 teams are I guess). He went on to say that because of this, we may find out that the NBA owners are much more interested in having a lock out than the NFL owners are because having a lockout won't make them lose money.

I really hope this doesn't happen

[WTF]

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On the flip side of that, the owners will also be missing out on some of the powerhouse teams coming into their arena's too, so they won't want that either. If they could cut out the games between subpar teams, then sure, that would help them... but if you don't have the league's money makers coming to town, then you're hurting.

So that goes both ways.

[Drewski]

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I like the idea of Non-Guaranteed contracts - alot.

But the players need some type of % guaranteed out of the total contract. Gives teams the chance to cut guys lose that didn't pan out, players still get money and play elsewhere (as long as they're good, someone will want to pick them up right? More pressure on the players to play for their contracts. Not only will teams have the ability to get out of contracts, it helps alleviate the pressure of piecing together salaries year in and year out.

I think the players obviously need more than that, but that's a good, realistic, starting point.

[da ThRONe]

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Once again I really like the idea of partially guaranteed contracts. Why not just give the franchises a team option half the length of the contract.

I would like to see the current cap get restructured. Keep luxury taxes just double or triple it, and put a cap on the total a team can go into luxury tax. Start the luxury tax at every dollar over the cap leaving no grace area.

[Drewski]

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Once again I really like the idea of partially guaranteed contracts. Why not just give the franchises a team option half the length of the contract.

I would like to see the current cap get restructured. Keep luxury taxes just double or triple, and it put a cap on the total a team can go over the cap. Start the luxury tax at every dollar over the cap leaving no grace area.

The current cap definitely needs to be restructured. Lower MAX contracts. As much as I love the MLE, it creates way too many STUPID desperation MLE signings so guys make much more than they deserve. Generally, by year 2 or 3, the regret has set in. Saying kill the MLE is a bit too rash, but I think it needs to be looked at.

Team Option and Player Option as well. Creates alot of cat and mouse as far as money goes, and WAY too many times we've seen Player Option completely crush caps (Arenas). On that token, the players shouldn't have to worry about the Team Option hammer. Contracts arent 2+1, they are 3. Or the player can take the contract from the team offering him 2 years, if he wants a smaller deal.

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Giving the owners all of the barganing power is something the players are not going to agree too. i know the owners are putting some stoppage to some of the ridiculousness going on, even if that includes themselves, but how far is the NBAPL willing to allow their clients to get taken from them

[SteelersFreak]

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A reporter tweeted last night that the average NBA salary is roughly $4.79m. That's insane.

NFL: $770k
MLB: $3.3m (no salary cap though obviously)

The NBA players definitely have it good but teams also get screwed if a player is hurt or a bust. In MLB if you AJ Burnett to a $80m deal and he blows then it only hurts you financially. You can, if you choose to of course, spend just as much money on another player.

In basketball when that happens a franchise is hindered for years. Some media guy put it very well recently, paraphrasing he said "too many GMs pay a ton of money to average guys to find out if they can be great - and a vast majority don't turn out to be great."

So again, it basically boils down to saving the owners and GMs from themselves. But whatever it takes...

You have to understand that the owners can pay players more because they only have 15 guys to pay. An NFL team has 53 guys so you can't pay them all big contracts. But you're right, the owners and GM's need to be smarter.

[1Rose]

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I've never been to familiar on all the nuances of salaries and contracts, but it's really sad to see how greedy these guys (players) can be.

Locking out because they feel they don't get paid enough? It's ridiculous. These guys should be grateful they get to play the sport they love and the amount of money these guys make should be plenty to support themselves.

I'm 100% for alot of what has been mentioned. Especially the non-guarantee contracts. Guys should be paid on production, not on expectations.