NY v. NJ series thread (SChedule inside)

[dieselboy]

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[neovsmatrix]

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EWRMETS said:
If you actually watched the game, you saw Jason Kidd totally dominate Marbury. Marbury seemed very reluctant to drive the ball at all. The Knick fans there were screaming for him to drive, and yet he kept refusing to try to take Kidd to the hole. When people talk about Stephon Marbury they continue to talk about potential, and about how he is so skilled. He most definately is the most skilled point guard in the league, and yet he refuses to take a leadership role and be consistant. Why is Marbury better then Sam Cassel. Sure, Marbury puts up better stats but Sam Cassel is a winner.

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Look at the Knicks, and you'll see a bunch of slow veterans. Their only source of athleticism is their rookies and only one or two starters: Dermarr Johnson, Frank Williams, and Michael Sweetney, Tim Thomas, and Nazr Mohammed.

The Knicks had a hell of a time just trying to adjust to Marbury and vice versa when he joined the Knicks. And this was only MONTHS ago. Not to mention, when they DID get into a groove, Keith Van Horn got traded for Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed, again throwing their chemistry out of whack.

Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed are the only athletic starters on the team, and since Houston's out for most of Marbury's time with the Knicks, it's a wonder the Knicks actually ARE in the playoffs.

By the way, I really don't think Jason Kidd would have done that much better, if at all, if he were in Marbury's shoes. The Knicks are slow and unathletic, and that's contrary to what Jason Kidd's strengths are. He fits in perfectly with the Nets, but that doesn't mean he'd be perfect for the Knicks.

As for the 1st game, Marbury tried not to force anything. He's playing against the NETS, if he did try to do the things Jason Kidd can do with the Nets, the success rate would be much lower for him, since the Knicks are so slow to adapt, and it would allow the Nets far too many easy scoring opportunities.

I don't know if the series will take a turn for the better, because the Knicks really don't match up well with the Nets at all.

[neovsmatrix]

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EWRMETS said:
If you actually watched the game, you saw Jason Kidd totally dominate Marbury. Marbury seemed very reluctant to drive the ball at all. The Knick fans there were screaming for him to drive, and yet he kept refusing to try to take Kidd to the hole. When people talk about Stephon Marbury they continue to talk about potential, and about how he is so skilled. He most definately is the most skilled point guard in the league, and yet he refuses to take a leadership role and be consistant. Why is Marbury better then Sam Cassel. Sure, Marbury puts up better stats but Sam Cassel is a winner.

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Look at the Knicks, and you'll see a bunch of slow veterans. Their only source of athleticism is their rookies and only one or two starters: Dermarr Johnson, Frank Williams, and Michael Sweetney, Tim Thomas, and Nazr Mohammed.

The Knicks had a hell of a time just trying to adjust to Marbury and vice versa when he joined the Knicks. And this was only MONTHS ago. Not to mention, when they DID get into a groove, Keith Van Horn got traded for Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed, again throwing their chemistry out of whack.

Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed are the only athletic starters on the team, and since Houston's out for most of Marbury's time with the Knicks, it's a wonder the Knicks actually ARE in the playoffs.

By the way, I really don't think Jason Kidd would have done that much better, if at all, if he were in Marbury's shoes. The Knicks are slow and unathletic, and that's contrary to what Jason Kidd's strengths are. He fits in perfectly with the Nets, but that doesn't mean he'd be perfect for the Knicks.

As for the 1st game, Marbury tried not to force anything. He's playing against the NETS, if he did try to do the things Jason Kidd can do with the Nets, the success rate would be much lower for him, since the Knicks are so slow to adapt, and it would allow the Nets far too many easy scoring opportunities.

I don't know if the series will take a turn for the better, because the Knicks really don't match up well with the Nets at all.

[neovsmatrix]

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EWRMETS said:
If you actually watched the game, you saw Jason Kidd totally dominate Marbury. Marbury seemed very reluctant to drive the ball at all. The Knick fans there were screaming for him to drive, and yet he kept refusing to try to take Kidd to the hole. When people talk about Stephon Marbury they continue to talk about potential, and about how he is so skilled. He most definately is the most skilled point guard in the league, and yet he refuses to take a leadership role and be consistant. Why is Marbury better then Sam Cassel. Sure, Marbury puts up better stats but Sam Cassel is a winner.

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Look at the Knicks, and you'll see a bunch of slow veterans. Their only source of athleticism is their rookies and only one or two starters: Dermarr Johnson, Frank Williams, and Michael Sweetney, Tim Thomas, and Nazr Mohammed.

The Knicks had a hell of a time just trying to adjust to Marbury and vice versa when he joined the Knicks. And this was only MONTHS ago. Not to mention, when they DID get into a groove, Keith Van Horn got traded for Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed, again throwing their chemistry out of whack.

Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed are the only athletic starters on the team, and since Houston's out for most of Marbury's time with the Knicks, it's a wonder the Knicks actually ARE in the playoffs.

By the way, I really don't think Jason Kidd would have done that much better, if at all, if he were in Marbury's shoes. The Knicks are slow and unathletic, and that's contrary to what Jason Kidd's strengths are. He fits in perfectly with the Nets, but that doesn't mean he'd be perfect for the Knicks.

As for the 1st game, Marbury tried not to force anything. He's playing against the NETS, if he did try to do the things Jason Kidd can do with the Nets, the success rate would be much lower for him, since the Knicks are so slow to adapt, and it would allow the Nets far too many easy scoring opportunities.

I don't know if the series will take a turn for the better, because the Knicks really don't match up well with the Nets at all.

[neovsmatrix]

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fsquid said:
blah, there's 13 guys on a roster and only 10 usually play in a game. Moochie wouldn't have played yesterday anyways.

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Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if an injury were to occur, he'd become pretty useful, wouldn't he?

[neovsmatrix]

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fsquid said:
blah, there's 13 guys on a roster and only 10 usually play in a game. Moochie wouldn't have played yesterday anyways.

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Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if an injury were to occur, he'd become pretty useful, wouldn't he?

[neovsmatrix]

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fsquid said:
blah, there's 13 guys on a roster and only 10 usually play in a game. Moochie wouldn't have played yesterday anyways.

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Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if an injury were to occur, he'd become pretty useful, wouldn't he?

[fsquid]

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neovsmatrix said:
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fsquid said:
blah, there's 13 guys on a roster and only 10 usually play in a game. Moochie wouldn't have played yesterday anyways.

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Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if an injury were to occur, he'd become pretty useful, wouldn't he?

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Houston is coming back like Willis Reed man. Game 3 or 4, he's going to jog out of that tunnel fashionably late!!

[fsquid]

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neovsmatrix said:
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fsquid said:
blah, there's 13 guys on a roster and only 10 usually play in a game. Moochie wouldn't have played yesterday anyways.

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Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if an injury were to occur, he'd become pretty useful, wouldn't he?

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Houston is coming back like Willis Reed man. Game 3 or 4, he's going to jog out of that tunnel fashionably late!!

[fsquid]

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neovsmatrix said:
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fsquid said:
blah, there's 13 guys on a roster and only 10 usually play in a game. Moochie wouldn't have played yesterday anyways.

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Maybe, maybe not. Then again, if an injury were to occur, he'd become pretty useful, wouldn't he?

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Houston is coming back like Willis Reed man. Game 3 or 4, he's going to jog out of that tunnel fashionably late!!

[PdiddyPop]

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EWRMETS said:
fsquid, what your team lost so you have to rag on the fans and the arena? You sound like my Knick fan friend that I went to the game with. Seeing the game live, Marbury was absolutely terrible. You can see a huge difference between J Kidd and Marbury, and anybody that has the nerve to tell me that Marbury is better is nuts. I'm starting to think that Marbury IS overrated. He plays great in the regular season, but when it comes time to step it up to another level and win, he comes up short. The guy doesn't seem like a winner.

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oh yeah marbury didnt do jack crap in last yrs playoffs did he? he about beat the Spurs BY HIMSELF! lay off the haterade.

[PdiddyPop]

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EWRMETS said:
fsquid, what your team lost so you have to rag on the fans and the arena? You sound like my Knick fan friend that I went to the game with. Seeing the game live, Marbury was absolutely terrible. You can see a huge difference between J Kidd and Marbury, and anybody that has the nerve to tell me that Marbury is better is nuts. I'm starting to think that Marbury IS overrated. He plays great in the regular season, but when it comes time to step it up to another level and win, he comes up short. The guy doesn't seem like a winner.

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oh yeah marbury didnt do jack crap in last yrs playoffs did he? he about beat the Spurs BY HIMSELF! lay off the haterade.

[PdiddyPop]

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EWRMETS said:
fsquid, what your team lost so you have to rag on the fans and the arena? You sound like my Knick fan friend that I went to the game with. Seeing the game live, Marbury was absolutely terrible. You can see a huge difference between J Kidd and Marbury, and anybody that has the nerve to tell me that Marbury is better is nuts. I'm starting to think that Marbury IS overrated. He plays great in the regular season, but when it comes time to step it up to another level and win, he comes up short. The guy doesn't seem like a winner.

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oh yeah marbury didnt do jack crap in last yrs playoffs did he? he about beat the Spurs BY HIMSELF! lay off the haterade.

[DueceDiggla]

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neovsmatrix said:
As for the 1st game, Marbury tried not to force anything. He's playing against the NETS, if he did try to do the things Jason Kidd can do with the Nets, the success rate would be much lower for him, since the Knicks are so slow to adapt, and it would allow the Nets far too many easy scoring opportunities.


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Marbury just didn't play like he usually does. Some of the credit can go to NJs coaching, but Marbury didn't seem to want to go to the paint. Thats what you want to do against a team like NJ, because they're still young and very aggressive, so Marbs could draw alot of fouls, or find a man for the open shot. I just didn't think he did too much of it when given the opportunity.

Another area that is being overlooked, is that Frank simply outcoached Wilkens. What exactly did the Knicks do to adjust to NJs style, or to make NJ adjust to NYs style? The Nets threw half court traps at the Knicks, put the quicker and longer Kittles on Steph for most of the game, and forced them to take outside shots, which lead to easy fastbreak buckets.

From what I can tell in the first half, the Knicks didn't really seem to have any kind of gameplan coming into this game. The start of the game saw most of NYs baskets coming off of one on one matchups between Tim Thomas and RJ. Maybe a kick out here and there to Anderson or Hardaway, but other then that, I didn't notice many set plays called. Come second half and you would think Wilkens would make some kind of adjustments to limit the number of fastbreak points, but it only got worse for NY.

[DueceDiggla]

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neovsmatrix said:
As for the 1st game, Marbury tried not to force anything. He's playing against the NETS, if he did try to do the things Jason Kidd can do with the Nets, the success rate would be much lower for him, since the Knicks are so slow to adapt, and it would allow the Nets far too many easy scoring opportunities.


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Marbury just didn't play like he usually does. Some of the credit can go to NJs coaching, but Marbury didn't seem to want to go to the paint. Thats what you want to do against a team like NJ, because they're still young and very aggressive, so Marbs could draw alot of fouls, or find a man for the open shot. I just didn't think he did too much of it when given the opportunity.

Another area that is being overlooked, is that Frank simply outcoached Wilkens. What exactly did the Knicks do to adjust to NJs style, or to make NJ adjust to NYs style? The Nets threw half court traps at the Knicks, put the quicker and longer Kittles on Steph for most of the game, and forced them to take outside shots, which lead to easy fastbreak buckets.

From what I can tell in the first half, the Knicks didn't really seem to have any kind of gameplan coming into this game. The start of the game saw most of NYs baskets coming off of one on one matchups between Tim Thomas and RJ. Maybe a kick out here and there to Anderson or Hardaway, but other then that, I didn't notice many set plays called. Come second half and you would think Wilkens would make some kind of adjustments to limit the number of fastbreak points, but it only got worse for NY.