OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

[Brankles]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

On a team like the Utah Jazz, the only real stat that is noteworthy is blocks, FG% and FT%... and Andrei is excelling in all of those...

The way the Jazz play offensively... anyone can score 25 at any given time... they don't have a go-to-guy because they don't need one. They play basketball in its purest form, truly team basketball. Harpring, Giricek, Boozer, Okur... hell, even Raja Bell, Howard Eisley and Keith McLeod can have a breakout night...

And when Carlos Arroyo comes back... there's even more weapons...

So if you want to judge Kirilinko on stats... then yes, he's a 7 or 8.
If you want to judge him on how he locks down opposing SF, changes entire offenses, tips rebounds to his teammates, deflects passes, and plays smart basketball offensively (doesn't force passes or shots)... then he's a 9 or 10.


In the era of dunks (in which AK47 posterized Camby last night), crossovers, and no look passes... the guys who set strong picks, play great help defense, and do the dirty work on offense always get overlooked...

It's important to watch people play basketball rather than look at their stat sheet at the end of the game... and if you do that, you can tell AK is THE best SF in the game... better than Artest, Peja, and Shawn Marion. Carmelo is out of discussion, because dude just got shut down by Mr Linko last night...


Andrei gets a 9 from me...



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[Brankles]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

On a team like the Utah Jazz, the only real stat that is noteworthy is blocks, FG% and FT%... and Andrei is excelling in all of those...

The way the Jazz play offensively... anyone can score 25 at any given time... they don't have a go-to-guy because they don't need one. They play basketball in its purest form, truly team basketball. Harpring, Giricek, Boozer, Okur... hell, even Raja Bell, Howard Eisley and Keith McLeod can have a breakout night...

And when Carlos Arroyo comes back... there's even more weapons...

So if you want to judge Kirilinko on stats... then yes, he's a 7 or 8.
If you want to judge him on how he locks down opposing SF, changes entire offenses, tips rebounds to his teammates, deflects passes, and plays smart basketball offensively (doesn't force passes or shots)... then he's a 9 or 10.


In the era of dunks (in which AK47 posterized Camby last night), crossovers, and no look passes... the guys who set strong picks, play great help defense, and do the dirty work on offense always get overlooked...

It's important to watch people play basketball rather than look at their stat sheet at the end of the game... and if you do that, you can tell AK is THE best SF in the game... better than Artest, Peja, and Shawn Marion. Carmelo is out of discussion, because dude just got shut down by Mr Linko last night...


Andrei gets a 9 from me...



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[Tha_Kid]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

btw hes on my fantasy team....SICK game last night against the nuggets....

ANDREI KIRILENKO F 24 pts, 5 blocks, 4 steals, 4assists, 6 boards...

[Tha_Kid]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

btw hes on my fantasy team....SICK game last night against the nuggets....

ANDREI KIRILENKO F 24 pts, 5 blocks, 4 steals, 4assists, 6 boards...

[jLp_vAkEr0]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

10.

Simply, he can do it ALL. No flaws in his game. Maybe he can be more aggresive on the offensive end, but Jerry Sloan's system is made for everyone on the floor to contribute.

[jLp_vAkEr0]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

10.

Simply, he can do it ALL. No flaws in his game. Maybe he can be more aggresive on the offensive end, but Jerry Sloan's system is made for everyone on the floor to contribute.

[HMcCoy]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

On a team like the Utah Jazz, the only real stat that is noteworthy is blocks, FG% and FT%... and Andrei is excelling in all of those...

The way the Jazz play offensively... anyone can score 25 at any given time... they don't have a go-to-guy because they don't need one. They play basketball in its purest form, truly team basketball. Harpring, Giricek, Boozer, Okur... hell, even Raja Bell, Howard Eisley and Keith McLeod can have a breakout night...

And when Carlos Arroyo comes back... there's even more weapons...

So if you want to judge Kirilinko on stats... then yes, he's a 7 or 8.
If you want to judge him on how he locks down opposing SF, changes entire offenses, tips rebounds to his teammates, deflects passes, and plays smart basketball offensively (doesn't force passes or shots)... then he's a 9 or 10.


In the era of dunks (in which AK47 posterized Camby last night), crossovers, and no look passes... the guys who set strong picks, play great help defense, and do the dirty work on offense always get overlooked...

It's important to watch people play basketball rather than look at their stat sheet at the end of the game... and if you do that, you can tell AK is THE best SF in the game... better than Artest, Peja, and Shawn Marion. Carmelo is out of discussion, because dude just got shut down by Mr Linko last night...


Andrei gets a 9 from me...



Holla

Thats the point, EXACTLY.

We aren't judging sysyems. We aren't judging team chemistry. We aren't judging an ability to fill a role....We judging how good these guys are...INDIVIDUALLY.

PP performed at a high level with or without good teamates, or stability in a system. Could Kirelenko? Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG...these guys are DOMINANT on both sides of the floor, in any sysytem..on any team, with any coach, with any teammates. Would AK-47 still have the energy to help on EVERY possession if he was DEPENDED ON to score 25+ through double-teams and triple teams? Kirelenko is an average scorer and a pesky defender but don't mistake a ton of blocks as being a dominant ball defender ala Artest. Sloan himself says he doesn't really like how AK lets his man get by to get the weakside block. If Kobe did that, this site would be on fire with stat-whore rants.

Kirelenko is a top 10-15 player, and he may be the number one role-filler in the league, as he can do a ton of little things well...But when judging an elite player, ask yourself...could he carry the Bobcats into respectability? TD could, Shaq could, KG could, Kidd could...Those guys are your 10's.

and please give us a little credit...we all know how important hustle play is. The "Oh, this era is all about flash so most guys just don't appreciate the little things" cliche is lame.

[HMcCoy]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

On a team like the Utah Jazz, the only real stat that is noteworthy is blocks, FG% and FT%... and Andrei is excelling in all of those...

The way the Jazz play offensively... anyone can score 25 at any given time... they don't have a go-to-guy because they don't need one. They play basketball in its purest form, truly team basketball. Harpring, Giricek, Boozer, Okur... hell, even Raja Bell, Howard Eisley and Keith McLeod can have a breakout night...

And when Carlos Arroyo comes back... there's even more weapons...

So if you want to judge Kirilinko on stats... then yes, he's a 7 or 8.
If you want to judge him on how he locks down opposing SF, changes entire offenses, tips rebounds to his teammates, deflects passes, and plays smart basketball offensively (doesn't force passes or shots)... then he's a 9 or 10.


In the era of dunks (in which AK47 posterized Camby last night), crossovers, and no look passes... the guys who set strong picks, play great help defense, and do the dirty work on offense always get overlooked...

It's important to watch people play basketball rather than look at their stat sheet at the end of the game... and if you do that, you can tell AK is THE best SF in the game... better than Artest, Peja, and Shawn Marion. Carmelo is out of discussion, because dude just got shut down by Mr Linko last night...


Andrei gets a 9 from me...



Holla

Thats the point, EXACTLY.

We aren't judging sysyems. We aren't judging team chemistry. We aren't judging an ability to fill a role....We judging how good these guys are...INDIVIDUALLY.

PP performed at a high level with or without good teamates, or stability in a system. Could Kirelenko? Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG...these guys are DOMINANT on both sides of the floor, in any sysytem..on any team, with any coach, with any teammates. Would AK-47 still have the energy to help on EVERY possession if he was DEPENDED ON to score 25+ through double-teams and triple teams? Kirelenko is an average scorer and a pesky defender but don't mistake a ton of blocks as being a dominant ball defender ala Artest. Sloan himself says he doesn't really like how AK lets his man get by to get the weakside block. If Kobe did that, this site would be on fire with stat-whore rants.

Kirelenko is a top 10-15 player, and he may be the number one role-filler in the league, as he can do a ton of little things well...But when judging an elite player, ask yourself...could he carry the Bobcats into respectability? TD could, Shaq could, KG could, Kidd could...Those guys are your 10's.

and please give us a little credit...we all know how important hustle play is. The "Oh, this era is all about flash so most guys just don't appreciate the little things" cliche is lame.

[keRplunK]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

Thats the point, EXACTLY.

We aren't judging sysyems. We aren't judging team chemistry. We aren't judging an ability to fill a role....We judging how good these guys are...INDIVIDUALLY.

PP performed at a high level with or without good teamates, or stability in a system. Could Kirelenko? Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG...these guys are DOMINANT on both sides of the floor, in any sysytem..on any team, with any coach, with any teammates. Would AK-47 still have the energy to help on EVERY possession if he was DEPENDED ON to score 25+ through double-teams and triple teams? Kirelenko is an average scorer and a pesky defender but don't mistake a ton of blocks as being a dominant ball defender ala Artest. Sloan himself says he doesn't really like how AK lets his man get by to get the weakside block. If Kobe did that, this site would be on fire with stat-whore rants.

Kirelenko is a top 10-15 player, and he may be the number one role-filler in the league, as he can do a ton of little things well...But when judging an elite player, ask yourself...could he carry the Bobcats into respectability? TD could, Shaq could, KG could, Kidd could...Those guys are your 10's.

and please give us a little credit...we all know how important hustle play is. The "Oh, this era is all about flash so most guys just don't appreciate the little things" cliche is lame.

AK would be fine on any team.

He's a nine, probably will be a 10 soon. A poor mans dirk nowitzki except with the best defense in the league, and quick as hell.

[keRplunK]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

Thats the point, EXACTLY.

We aren't judging sysyems. We aren't judging team chemistry. We aren't judging an ability to fill a role....We judging how good these guys are...INDIVIDUALLY.

PP performed at a high level with or without good teamates, or stability in a system. Could Kirelenko? Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG...these guys are DOMINANT on both sides of the floor, in any sysytem..on any team, with any coach, with any teammates. Would AK-47 still have the energy to help on EVERY possession if he was DEPENDED ON to score 25+ through double-teams and triple teams? Kirelenko is an average scorer and a pesky defender but don't mistake a ton of blocks as being a dominant ball defender ala Artest. Sloan himself says he doesn't really like how AK lets his man get by to get the weakside block. If Kobe did that, this site would be on fire with stat-whore rants.

Kirelenko is a top 10-15 player, and he may be the number one role-filler in the league, as he can do a ton of little things well...But when judging an elite player, ask yourself...could he carry the Bobcats into respectability? TD could, Shaq could, KG could, Kidd could...Those guys are your 10's.

and please give us a little credit...we all know how important hustle play is. The "Oh, this era is all about flash so most guys just don't appreciate the little things" cliche is lame.

AK would be fine on any team.

He's a nine, probably will be a 10 soon. A poor mans dirk nowitzki except with the best defense in the league, and quick as hell.

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

AK would be fine on any team.

He's a nine, probably will be a 10 soon. A poor mans dirk nowitzki except with the best defense in the league, and quick as hell.

That means that he is the exact opposite of Dirk Nowitzki. I see him more as "Tracy McGrady: The Defensive Version"

Tracy McGrady is one of the best offensive players in the game (along with Kobe, Dirk, etc.). He makes defenses change their entire game. On defense, he isn't great, but gets it done with his athleticism, which helps him alter and block shots.

Andrei Kirilenko is on the of the best defensive players in the game (along with Big Ben, Ron Ron, etc.). He makes offenses change their entire game. On offense, he isn't great, but gets it done with his athleticism, which helps him get pu backs off boards and dunks in the paint.

See what I mean?

[Dynasty4Kobe]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

AK would be fine on any team.

He's a nine, probably will be a 10 soon. A poor mans dirk nowitzki except with the best defense in the league, and quick as hell.

That means that he is the exact opposite of Dirk Nowitzki. I see him more as "Tracy McGrady: The Defensive Version"

Tracy McGrady is one of the best offensive players in the game (along with Kobe, Dirk, etc.). He makes defenses change their entire game. On defense, he isn't great, but gets it done with his athleticism, which helps him alter and block shots.

Andrei Kirilenko is on the of the best defensive players in the game (along with Big Ben, Ron Ron, etc.). He makes offenses change their entire game. On offense, he isn't great, but gets it done with his athleticism, which helps him get pu backs off boards and dunks in the paint.

See what I mean?

[HMcCoy]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

AK would be fine on any team.

He's a nine, probably will be a 10 soon. A poor mans dirk nowitzki except with the best defense in the league, and quick as hell.

Nowitzki? OMG, he has NOWHERE NEAR Nowitzki's scoring ability. The day he commands the attention Duncan or Garnett does on both ends, shoot me a PM and let me know...until then, hes a second-tier star...Just like Gasol, Marion, and K-Mart. Anyone who thinks this kid is as good as the top players in this league is on CRACK. I dare anyone to say Kirilenko is, or will ever be, as dominant as Shaq...

Its amazing how 3 games in, hes suddenly stormed past Bowen, Big Ben, Matrix, and Artest as the best defender in the league.

[HMcCoy]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

AK would be fine on any team.

He's a nine, probably will be a 10 soon. A poor mans dirk nowitzki except with the best defense in the league, and quick as hell.

Nowitzki? OMG, he has NOWHERE NEAR Nowitzki's scoring ability. The day he commands the attention Duncan or Garnett does on both ends, shoot me a PM and let me know...until then, hes a second-tier star...Just like Gasol, Marion, and K-Mart. Anyone who thinks this kid is as good as the top players in this league is on CRACK. I dare anyone to say Kirilenko is, or will ever be, as dominant as Shaq...

Its amazing how 3 games in, hes suddenly stormed past Bowen, Big Ben, Matrix, and Artest as the best defender in the league.

[Brankles]

Re: OS NBA Players Rating: Player #10 - Andrei Kirilenko

Thats the point, EXACTLY.

We aren't judging sysyems. We aren't judging team chemistry. We aren't judging an ability to fill a role....We judging how good these guys are...INDIVIDUALLY.

PP performed at a high level with or without good teamates, or stability in a system. Could Kirelenko? Tim Duncan, Shaq, KG...these guys are DOMINANT on both sides of the floor, in any sysytem..on any team, with any coach, with any teammates. Would AK-47 still have the energy to help on EVERY possession if he was DEPENDED ON to score 25+ through double-teams and triple teams? Kirelenko is an average scorer and a pesky defender but don't mistake a ton of blocks as being a dominant ball defender ala Artest. Sloan himself says he doesn't really like how AK lets his man get by to get the weakside block. If Kobe did that, this site would be on fire with stat-whore rants.

Uh, when did Paul Pierce become dominant on both sides of the floor? I'm not saying Kirilinko is better then TD, KG, or Shaq... I'm saying he's the best SF in the league right now...

Yes, Kirilinko could score 25+ points on a horrible team. If you shoot enough, you can score in bunches. Does he have to score 25 right now to win games? No.

Kirelenko is a top 10-15 player, and he may be the number one role-filler in the league, as he can do a ton of little things well...But when judging an elite player, ask yourself...could he carry the Bobcats into respectability? TD could, Shaq could, KG could, Kidd could...Those guys are your 10's.

Once again, Kirilinko is not Tim Duncan, Shaq or Jason Kidd... but he's darn close...

A lineup of Jason Hart, Gerald Wallace, Andrei Kirilinko, Emeka Okafor and Primoz Brezec would get into the playoffs in the East. That is respectable.

and please give us a little credit...we all know how important hustle play is. The "Oh, this era is all about flash so most guys just don't appreciate the little things" cliche is lame.

I'm not talking about hustle play. I'm talking about the little things that Kirilinko does that Paul Pierce, Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, and Peja Stojakavich do not do that go unappreaciated, as you can tell by your statbook basketball knowledge.



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