2017 Offseason Thread

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Yeah, it seems that Hill is out the door. GM Dennis Lindsey said, “You're not going to get one poor thought, much less word, if he goes elsewhere.”

GMs don't just say that if they're confident in bringing back a guy. That's about $25M we'd save by not bringing him back.

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Spurs huh

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[Majingir]

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Interesting move. Magic hired Jeff Weltman to be their president. He was Raptors gm this year after being promoted from assistant by Masai last year in order to keep him from going elsewhere/wanted to give everyone pay raise.

Masai was the real gm this year regardless, but I wonder what their plans are to fill the gm spot this year. Will anyone be gm for draft or just Masai as interim?

[wco81]

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If the Spurs are willing to pay Ginobli $15 million again next year, why would he retire?

Maybe his family wants to go back to Argentina.

It may be their home but with millions in the bank, it wouldn't be at the top of the list for rich people.

[J_Posse]

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If the Spurs are willing to pay Ginobli $15 million again next year, why would he retire?

Maybe his family wants to go back to Argentina.

It may be their home but with millions in the bank, it wouldn't be at the top of the list for rich people.

I know their cap situation isn't good but bringing back a 40 year old swingman at $14 - 15 million isn't the answer. Jonathan Simmons played well enough to deserve a shot as the backup SG. The Spurs need to finally find a competent SF/combo forward (preferably James Johnson, Wilson Chandler or if desperate James Ennis) that can spell Kawhi or play PF in smallball line ups.

This is what I hope they do (from my thoughts in WCF's thread):

Bring back Dedmon/Simmons, let Patty walk, trade away Kyle Anderson, draft a swingman or combo guard, bring over Nikola Milutinov, sign a veteran (PG, combo forward and/or SF) better than Joel Anthony & hope that injuries don't befall the team in May/June.

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[wco81]

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They do need to remain Simmons.

But Manu was still one of their most effective players, though if Kawhi wasn't injured, he probably wouldn't have played as many minutes.

Especially if they let Mills walk, they'd still need more help in the backcourt.

Of course some of it depends on what Gasol does but it seems unlikely he will walk away from that money. This team still won over 60 games so there aren't going to be better situations for him.

[ojandpizza]

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I know their cap situation isn't good but bringing back a 40 year old swingman at $14 - 15 million isn't the answer. Jonathan Simmons played well enough to deserve a shot as the backup SG. The Spurs need to finally find a competent SF/combo forward (preferably James Johnson, Wilson Chandler or if desperate James Ennis) that can spell Kawhi or play PF in smallball line ups.

This is what I hope they do (from my thoughts in WCF's thread):

Bring back Dedmon/Simmons, let Patty walk, trade away Kyle Anderson, draft a swingman or combo guard, bring over Nikola Milutinov, sign a veteran (PG, combo forward and/or SF) better than Joel Anthony & hope that injuries don't befall the team in May/June.

from Bills Backer/Spurs Nation HQ

You don't want James Ennis if you're wanting any sort of production defensively. He's a solid back up guy otherwise, but his defense is awful. He does a serviceable job on ball, he's a little slow laterally. But if he's on someone who moves without the ball he gets lost, and gets lost when he goes to help and can never make the proper recover. Hell look how many times he left Kawhi wide open in that series, even on nights Kawhi was already hot.


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[NDAlum]

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Yeah, 3 levels of Minor League Ball and then no guarantee of even getting called up to the Pros even if you've been drafted? No thanks, especially with that terrible pay.

Got a better chance of seeing the field as a 7th round or undrafted player in the NFL and at least with the NBA, if you're in the D-League, you're one step from getting that 10 Day Contract in the NBA.


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And nobody says anything about all the kids who go straight from HS to the minors...

I bet more kids from HS go pro in one year than all the guys who ever went straight to the NBA

[ProfessaPackMan]

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And nobody says anything about all the kids who go straight from HS to the minors...



I bet more kids from HS go pro in one year than all the guys who ever went straight to the NBA

Not sure what you're arguing but there's only 430 total spots in the NBA so I wouldn't be surprised. Not to mention, Baseball doesn't have a rule that requires you to be one year removed from HS before you can enter the Draft.

Doesn't take from the fact that unless your some highly touted, can't miss prospect that you'll be spending most of the time in the Minors making garbage pay.

[NDAlum]

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I just don't understand why baseball is the only sport where kids go pro straight from HS and we don't get anybody yelling "will somebody please think of the children" segments.

Wasn't the one year rule to protect the kids? Per the rule makers

17/34 of the first round picks were HS kids in '16

Why no outrage?

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[wco81]

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Maybe because college baseball isn't nearly as lucrative as college basketball.

The minimum age requirement is viewed as an attempt to protect college basketball.

[wwharton]

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I just don't understand why baseball is the only sport where kids go pro straight from HS and we don't get anybody yelling "will somebody please think of the children" segments.

Wasn't the one year rule to protect the kids? Per the rule makers

17/34 of the first round picks were HS kids in '16

Why no outrage?

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The biggest reason is the successful and heavily integrated minor league system. The rule change in the NBA (to protect the kids) was because of the number of kids who signed with agents and then either flamed out or didn't get drafted at all. Add that to overall number of players we're talking about in the sport, like Pack mentioned, and the number of rounds in the draft.

The theory is that kids allowed to develop physically and mentally, while also honing their skills in a less pressured environment (what college is supposed to be for kids going into any field) would give them a better chance at success when they go pro... while also giving teams a better chance at evaluating them against higher competition than the crap they faced in HS.

If the D League could ever get to the point of being compared to MLB minor leagues I could see them allowing HS kids to come straight out again, and they'd probably expand the draft in some fashion (maybe have a supplemental draft for players that would go directly to "minor league" teams).

[ProfessaPackMan]

2017 Offseason Thread

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[areobee401]

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Pursuing an MLB career straight out of HS allows for more room to fail. The system is literally set up to take years before reaching the pros. NBA even with the D-League has more of a perform and contribute now system. The way each league is set up is so different I can't compair the two.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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First shoe in a potentially interesting Bucks offseason has dropped. GM John Hammond is leaving Milwaukee to take the same role in Orlando on a 5 year deal.

Kidd's status as the coach appears to still be a mystery.

[TracerBullet]

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First shoe in a potentially interesting Bucks offseason has dropped. GM John Hammond is leaving Milwaukee to take the same role in Orlando on a 5 year deal.

Kidd's status as the coach appears to still be a mystery.

If he can get us in the same trajectory as he did Milwaukee, I'm all for this. (clearly me talking from an Orlando standpoint)